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Uncle Sinister Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:58 PM
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Fox in the henhouse: Zogby poll analyst is Obama delegate
This from mydd.com

Makes his predictions somewhat suspect, no?

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/5/114235/8328
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:00 PM
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1. Zogby didnt seem to have trouble picking Hillary to win Nevada and Florida.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:05 PM
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9. That's like saying "Fox news isn't biased because they just announced that NY will vote dem in 2008"
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:02 PM
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2. It is more than somewhat suspect
And it doesn't matter who he supports. I don't especially like Obama, but I'd say the same if his bias favored anyone else.

Granted, most pollsters and polls have their biases, but this is extreme.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:04 PM
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6. It sure is. BUSTED! I'm sure we'll see this all over the MSM too.
:eyes:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:11 PM
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17. you dream much>

sarcasm button on
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:03 PM
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3. This explains so much! Here's the entire thing:
Zogby Analyst is Obama Superdelegate

by silver spring, Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 11:42:35 AM EST

I found this interesting story in the Legal Times this morning:

http://www.law.com/jsp/dc/PubArticleDC.j sp?id=1201601143051&hub=TopStoriesMo re

"The Battle for Superdelegates Heats Up in D.C."

"James Zogby is firmly in the Obama camp -- so much so that he's worked other superdelegates on behalf of the Obama campaign. The president of the Arab American Institute says he first heard Obama speak at the 2004 convention, when Obama burst onto the national political stage, and he was impressed.

And then in February 2006, Obama spoke at a DNC meeting, giving "a thoughtful discourse on the idea of cynicism, and talked about how we need to install idealism in politics." That was enough for Zogby, who gave Obama workers his phone number. Zogby became an official supporter this past summer.

Zogby has made at least a couple of dozen calls to other superdelegates to rally support for Obama. He's had some success winning over a few..."


I looked up the Zogbys on Wikipedia and found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Zogby

"(James) Zogby is also a senior analyst with the polling firm Zogby International, founded and managed by his brother John Zogby, and is a prominent lecturer and scholar on Middle East issues..."

So, it's interesting to note that one of the senior analysts with Zogby Polling -- the pollster who is predicting big Obama wins for today -- is also a major Obama superdelegate.

There is no proof, ofcourse, of any bias resulting from this apparent juxtaposition, but this is nevertheless an interesting part of today's picture.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:04 PM
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4. Suspect accusation.
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 03:38 PM by silverweb
No poll analyst may have an opinion of his own?

No poll analyst with an opinion of his own can objectively analyze statistical data?

Show any evidence that he falsified data or skewed results, then you might have something to say.

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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:04 PM
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5. You're right, he predicted Obama to win Nevada and Florida
:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:08 PM
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12. I know..... right? I'm sorry, but these days the Clintonistas aren't even
cute anymore, I used to just laugh at them. But the desparation coming from them these days is almost clinically sad.

They keep pulling shit out of their collective asses, hoping something will stick. Ain't gonna happen, get over it.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:10 PM
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14. The Hillbots are getting desperate
Just like their candidate and the already reported allegations of foul play. :puke: :puke:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:12 PM
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19. can't you Obamababies think of a new term--it gets so very boring!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:11 PM
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15. To be fair, Obama won Nevada...
and tied in Florida.

:shrug:
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:05 PM
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7. Fox in the hen house: Is someone talking about Mark Penn again?
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:05 PM
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8. No wonder this old and long time Zogby taker didn't get a poll until last week
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:07 PM
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10. wouldn't he want to downplay Obama's expectations instead of
inflating them? The fact that he shows Obama ahead is proof that he is being fair.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:08 PM
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11. Zogby's last CA poll is either brilliant or an outlier.
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 03:08 PM by tritsofme
We'll find out tonight.

But remember that approximately 5% of all polls will always be total crap.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:09 PM
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13. Smear by association is the Obama supporters game.
Do not play it.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:11 PM
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18. Yes, because Obama supporters chant "Rezko" and "McClurkin" every day...
Gimme a break. :eyes:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:13 PM
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20. Then the shoe fites -wear it.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:16 PM
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23. It does fit. Shillbots LOVE guilt by association and bullshit smears.
Especially when there's nothing there.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:11 PM
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16. Zogby was the only pollster to correctly predict the 2000 election.
And for the 2004 election they had Kerry winning 53%-46%, which is what the exit polls said before the news media outlets altered them to fit the "official vote count".

I trust Zogby more than most pollsters. Not 100%, but the closest to it.
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:14 PM
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21. Dan Abrams last night said media was biased pro-Obama
then he went state to state match-up analysis... Alabama was Hillary up by 6, so put in the leaning Obama column... Minnesota was Hillary by 7 points, but it is a caucus state so give it to Obama leaning????

WTF???

1st where is the math? 2nd what does caucus state have to do with anything? and #3 MN is not a walking caucus state and if they were, there is only 2 candidates running... so WTF? we go, we vote, we count in MN....

HELLLLOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:15 PM
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22. Makes me wonder why I wasn't polled in the latest poll like I am usually by Zogby.
Could it be I wasn't in favor of either Clinton or Obama in previous polls?
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:22 PM
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24. Does this analysts even poll political elections?
:grouphug:
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