Hillary wins the states required to win the Presidency!

[liberalnurse]

I'm looking at the concept of which states the two Democratic Primary Leaders show strength in democratic voting which can be reflected in the General Election for the WIN.

Evaluate by the Electoral College score:


To date:

Clinton...........206

Obama.............108


The states she has won so far are key wins in the General Election where it REALLY COUNTS.

Such as:

Hillary:

California...55
Florida......27
Arizona......10
Massachusetts.12
Michigan.....17
New York.....31
NewJersey....15
Virginia.....13
Tennessee....11
Arkansas.....06
Nevada.......05
New Hampshire.04
New Mexico...05
Nevada.......05
Oklahoma.....07
Washintgon...11





Just a thought for tomorrow.O8)

[mihalevich]

1. Obama won Missouri the one that counts

[liberalnurse]

4. I didn't list Obama's.......... I'm tired tonight.

Here is the numbers key for your review.


http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/about.html

[alcibiades_mystery]

2. Democrats could field Ted Bundy and win in CA, NY, and MA

I mean, seriously.

[sjdnb]

32. A little

bitter, maybe? Comparing Hillary's win to a serial killer - is that you, Karl?

[alcibiades_mystery]

33. Wow..it took a pretty severe victim complex to get THAT out of my post

Get help.

You need it.

[Tweed]

3. Washington? Virginia?

Those states have not gone yet.

[liberalnurse]

9. It's the General Election scoring system.......

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/about.html

There have been a lot of stated so I could of misread the grid of who has all voted to date. I am getting a bit tired at this point.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#D

[Tweed]

19. LOL, you saw the superdelegate totals and thought WA and VA voted

Next time you want to give 'analysis', have a better grasp on the whole situation. People will take you more seriously.

[progressive_realist]

5. Can I borrow your time machine?

Because Virginia and Washington have not voted yet. And NM has not yet been called for either camp.

[sandnsea]

6. As if any Democrat wouldn't win Dem states

When Obama wins VA & OH, are you going to agree he should be the candidate?

[Benhurst]

13. No, winning primaries is quite different from winning general elections.

That applies to both Obama and Hillary.

And it is unfortunately especially true here in the South.

[sandnsea]

18. Precisely my point

The OP wouldn't concede Obama could win OH or VA just because he might win them in the primary. It's a silly premise.

However, it is true that Obama could put up a fight in the south unlike anything we've seen in 40 years and that, in itself, is worth electing him.

[liberalnurse]

16. Clinton has Ohio.........

and unpledged, to be pledged super-delegates as well.

[sandnsea]

21. She had the coronation one month ago

Thank god things change and I can only hope more people wake up to the opportunity Obama presents to this country.

[liberalnurse]

22. What?

[southern_dem]

7. why are people under

the impression this matters in the general election? Really the only trend of any value is that Democratic primaries have a much higher turnout than the GOP. There's not much else to get out of it.

[liberalnurse]

11. Democrats are voting in heards these days......

GOP is in shock!

[Benhurst]

23. Exactly.

And, while we can hope, there is no guarantee the trend will hold in the general election.

[Indenturedebtor]

8. Besides what the people above me have said

As much as many around here would not like to admit it we need some people besides Dems to vote for our champion in the GE :rolleyes:

[still_one]

10. Let's get real, these are mostly Democrats voting for Democrats, and republicans voting for

republicans

It remains to be seen who can win a national election

[scheming daemons]

12. Um.... CA and NY would be won by ANY democrat....

....even Murky.


Besides... we won CA and NY in 2004 and 2008, and it wasn't enough to win the Presidency.


....and it won't be enough for Hillary to win the nomination either.

[TheDonkey]

14. Obama won more swing states. Any democrats can get MA. CA. NY. NJ etc

[Benhurst]

15. Yeah, and any Democrat has a shot at winning Democratic primaries.

Winning general elections is another matter -- all those pesky Republicans have to be factored in.

[Benhurst]

27. wrong thread again.

:rofl: Time to go to bed!

[Benhurst]

25. posted to wrong thread.

[Straight Shooter]

17. She is heavily favored in Ohio, last I heard.

Important state.

Washington is going to Barack, I believe. New Mexico is still a toss-up but The Celebrity Candidate is doing well there, also.

[lapfog_1]

26. Not too long ago, I heard, she was heavily favored to win

every state.

What happened to that?

[JeanGrey]

20. She has to get the nomination to win. It looks lke she might

not.

[lapfog_1]

24. This is the silliest analysis I've seen all night.

Neither Hillary nor Obama is running against a republican. So this is just some Democratic intramural game, white shirt / red shirts or whatever.

It's not indicative of anything in particular. Does Obama win California against, say, McCain (Yes)... does Hillary win Florida against McCain (probably not, but then, neither would Obama).

The liberal coast (as defined as NJ and north) and California are Hillary core constituency states. Illinois, the midwest, west and south might be considered core Obama constituency states. But these tell us absolutely nothing about the tie tonight, nor do they indicate how the nominee will do in a GE.

Let me put it another way...

Hillary states are pretty much safe states for any Democratic nominee (NY, CA, NH, MA, NJ). Obama states are places that can go either way... wouldn't we be better off with the MORE popular candidate in those red/purple states than with the candidate that is popular in the solid blue states?

[billyskank]

28. This is nonsense.

You're assuming that Democratic voters who voted for Clinton would not vote for Obama in the general election if he were the nominee. I believe this is nonsense; I am sure they almost all would.

[gmudem]

29. So whats your point?

If Obama is the nominee he won't win California, New York, New Jersey, or Massachussets?

In a word, LOL! This is a Democratic primary. It has nothing to do with electoral votes or the general election.

[jacksonian]

30. looking at tonight's numbers

I see real weakness in California for Obama. A lot of the people who did not support him are the ones most attractive to the McCain camp as well.

Weakness in California is not a winning strategy for any Dem. As it stands now, Obama would have to spent a great deal of time and money in that state to keep it from going red - which it can do, believe me and Arnold - not at all what our nominee should be doing.

Now scoff away.

[cottonseed]

31. Too bad a Dem primary is completely different from a GE.

If you're in college, or even kindergarten, please do not turn this analysis into your teacher.