Why do people keep posting Obama has more delegates?

[William769]

Do you think we are stupid?

[Perry Logan]

1. Line between reality and fantasy blurred for Obamites.

[Maribelle]

2. Then: If only Obama could have campaigned in Florida, trending was in his favor

Now: California - Hillary 52% Florida - Hillary 49.8


http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#CA


http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/enight.asp

[michaz]

3. Without the super delegates! Super delegates can change their votes.

[William769]

4. Without the Super delegates Hillary still leads!

[bigtree]

19. just heard that on the radio on the way home from work

keep pressing it. lots of uninformed folks here.

[William769]

5. Kick so certain people can see this

Who are trying to avoid it like the plague.

:kick:

[demokatgurrl]

6. Delegates as per AP, 7:30 this morning

Clinton 845
Obama 765
2,025 Needed


http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/votes/index.html

[William769]

7. Yep.

[thevoiceofreason]

10. Includes supers?

[Meshuga]

8. Who is saying that Obama has more delegates? n/t

[joshcryer]

9. There were a lot of posts last night and earlier this morning making that claim.

But now as the numbers are calculated more accurately, Hillary has both more pledged and more super delegates.

[pampango]

17. I think the count has changed in the last few hours. Now Hillary does lead

in both elected and total delegates. A few hours ago CNN had Obama ahead in elected delegates.

[William769]

18. You might want to try since the middle of the night.

[pampango]

24. I'm not sure where you are (the "middle of the night") varies. When I got up in the East at 4AM

CNN had Obama a few delegates ahead in terms of elected delegates.

Come to think of it, if Hillary passed him a few hours ago, that would still be the "middle of the night" for other time zones. ;)

[goldcanyonaz]

11. If I had just woken up out of a coma and I came here first I would think Obama had won it all.

This happens every time she wins.

It's pathetic, that not only the media is spinning hard for Obama but also fellow "Democrats".

[jeffrey_X]

12. what did she win?

just curious.

[William769]

The most delegates to date.

[goldcanyonaz]

16. Er, delegates, and the popular vote.

[Tom Rinaldo]

28. Yeah, that too. The popular vote. Funny how that is getting ignored

When Hillary won the popular vote in Nevada Obama supporters responded that she didn't win the most delegates - so Obama won. When Hillary won the popular vote in New Hampshire Obama supporters responded that she only won just a single delegate more than Obama - so that was a virtual tie. When Hillary routed Obama in the popular vote in Florida Obama supporters responded that no delegates were awarded - so that doesn't count.

But when Clinton is leading in overall delegates needed for the nomination Obama supporters respond - since that includes Super Delegates it means Obama is really the one who is ahead.

This is what passes as logic here.

[Perky]

13. YES William we do.

Well some of you anyway.

Tell you what. how about repsonding with facts and substantive responses rather than venom....and we might take you more seriously.

[William769]

15. Hillary having more delegates is not fact?

Due tell.

[Perky]

20. I agree....Obama won the night barely but hillary leads overall due only to Super Delgates

But that was not my point.


Your posts are angry and you do not challege statements with facts. You just attack the messanger.


It is a discussion board not pro wrestling.

[William769]

21. Stop drinking the Koo-aid!

She leads if you don't count the super delegates! Sheesh!

ON EDIT: you should try using the facts sometimes. it might help your argument.

[Perky]

23. When I went to bed last night Chuck Todd saidthat Obama was net +4 for the night

That was the last thing I heard and I was only talking about last night.

[pampango]

14. CNN shows Hillary up 632 to 626 in elected delegates as of 8:25.

A few hours ago they had Obama up by a few in just elected delegates. I suppose that California counting continues and she is gaining there. She's up 835 to 732 including superdelegates.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#D

[mohc]

22. We will have to wait

So far CNN shows 1134 out of the 1688 delegates from last night allocated, with Clinton up by 20. Due to the delegate allocation formulas, Obama has a bit of an advantage with the delegates left to be allocated. winning by more than 60%, which Obama did more broadly last night than did Clinton. In the end Clinton may very well end up having won more votes last night, but due to where she won them not winning as many delegates. This is further compounded by Obama winning the caucuses by large margins, where there is no way to really gauge a popular vote total.

[maddezmom]

25. it's coming from the Obama campaign, and Russert via Politico

Plouffe: Obama wins Super Tuesday by winning more states and more delegates
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/CPGV

~snip~
Clinton was portrayed in many news accounts as the night’s big winner, but Obama’s campaign says he wound up with a higher total where it really counts — the delegates who will choose the party’s nominee at this summer’s Democratic convention.

With the delegate count still under way, NBC News said Obama appears to have won around 840 delegates in yesterday’s contests, while Clinton earned about 830 — “give or take a few,” Tim Russert, the network’s Washington bureau chief, said on the “Today” show.

The running totals for the two, which includes previous contests and the party officials known as “superdelegates,” are only about 70 delegates apart, Russert said.

The bottom line is that the two are virtually tied.
~snip~

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8358.html

[pampango]

26. As of 10:10 ET CNN is showing Obama with 603 and Hillary with 590 elected

delegates. Hillary is up 783 to 709 in total delegates.

Figures are changing so fast today, that it probably isn't worth arguing about until everything gets counted and delegates determined from all the ST states.

[IndianaJones]

27. I think they mean Obama has more disciples. nt.