A Sincere Question To All The Die Hard Obama Fans:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

I'm of firm belief that Hillary will undoubtedly be the nominee. Having that said, and then rhetorically speaking, if that is to be the case and she ends up picking Obama to be her VP, will you still be able to feel at least some level of the excitement you feel now, and help propel our party to a historical victory in November?

I only ask because I know how passionate the Obama supporters are, but also how passionate they can be at times against Hillary. But if they end up being a team, will that wipe away some of the bitter feelings from his having not been nominated, enabling you to continue supporting the now combined campaign with the same fervor?

I'm just curious what your feelings might be if such things were to occur.

[SoFlaJet]

1. Don't count your chickens

the longer this goes on the better it looks for Obama

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

5. How Bout You Answer The Question? Stuck In One Gear? Jesus. Open Your Mind A Little.

It's a rhetorical question. How bout ya answer the fucking thing instead of telling me how I should or shouldn't feel about who will win.

Nowhere did I tell YOU what you should believe as to who will win, so there's no need for you to have to tell me. But it is a genuine question as to how you would react in such a scenario. So do you have the ability to answer it?

Thanks. :hi:

[SoFlaJet]

20. To answer the question no

I don't think Obama will pick Clinton

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

76. when will HIllary supporters research DLC + Hillary Clinton?

then most of these threads wouldn't be necessary.

Hillary is republican lite, which is worse in a way than republican, because the DLC
morphs the democratic agenda way over to the right, until it isnt' democratic at all.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

77. ...

:boring:

[Sulawesi]

2. I will be disappointed...

A clinton administration will be years of trench warfare and Obama as VP would have to be on the attack and would get sullied by it.

Obama represents a promise for change in tone that would evaporate if he became Hillary's bulldog.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

112. Anyone who thinks that Obama will remain above the fray if he is

the candidate is just delusional. It doesn't matter who the Democratic candidate is - they are going to be smeared with every lie the repugs can find someone to support and put out campaign ads for the truly stupid to glom onto. Remember Max Cleland? Remember John Kerry? Neither one of those two were running under the Clinton track record yet they both got completely and totally smeared by the repug slime machine.

I just wish the people who want to use the argument that Clinton shouldn't be the candidate because of "baggage" from the Big Dog's administration would just put that one to rest. She is going to be attacked with the most unholy jihad the Karl Roves of the the world can dream up... but so will Obama. It isn't the name Clinton they hate, it is the D after her name that causes them to go apoplectic. Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton is a win-win for all of us.

Just keep your eye on the prize - THE SUPREME COURT - if this nation is to survive.

[alcibiades_mystery]

3. Nobody will be able to say that

The excitement? No. No way. It will be a completely transformed affective landscape.

I'll vote for Hillary, of course, but I probably won't work for her campaign, largely because that would mean having to be in the same room with the utter douchebaggery evinced by so many of her supporters.

But in terms of feeling? No way is it going to be the same. It will be a complete letdown.

[Guava Jelly]

4. I believe Obama will eventually win

But in case he doesn't I will back the nominee with all my might.

[blm]

6. I disagree - last night WAS the highest point for Hillary - she needed a huge sweep

going into the next rounds. Obama drawing even and going into his strong states with way more money is meaningful.

Obama will NOT put Hillary on the ticket. And many Dem candidates in competitive states don't want her on the ticket.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

14. Another One Stuck In One Gear. How Bout You Read The Post And Answer The Question.

God people can you not open your minds for a second? Holy cow! LOL

[cloudythescribbler]

30. The question was, essentially, ASSUMING that HRC is the nominee, how do you feel about ...

and people naturally respond by questioning the posited assumption.

As for an answer to the question, I would be more excited about Obama than other choices, but think it more likely HRC would pick Richardson, if she is given the nomination; at this point, the most likely way she'd get nominated IS by being GIVEN the nomination.

[blm]

31. I read it. Some will if they HAVE to, but I'm just being realistic about the outcome

and stating what is on the horizon.

[JorgeTheGood]

49. the replies you're getting should

tell you that the Obama folks (most -- not all) are, in general, anti-hillary folks and after the nomination (regardless of who wins) probably won't be heard from again.

They have one agenda -- keep hillary from getting the nomination.

[cloudythescribbler]

97. even restricting focus to acrimonious DU -- I call BS

Actually, as far as candidate-bashing, especially of the most unfair kind, the Obama-bashing (mainly Hillary-bots) is MUCH more severe. Look at the scads of threads -- for months! -- distorting and milking the McClurkin episode for one GRAND illustration

[cali]

7. With or without Obama on the ticket

I'll support her, but without any enthusiasm. If he's on the ticket I will be more enthusiastic, no doubt about it.

[NoBorders]

8. Honestly, not sure right now

I'm not sure I'll know that until/if it happens. I could probably get behind it. I'll support hillary if she wins anyway.

[boricua79]

9. No...

I'd know he's just a cosmetic perfume on a Turd of a candidacy. I'd know that as soon as she's in power, he'd be irrelevant as VP, and she'd turn to the DLC establishment in the party that got her the nomination, who would move to the Center and not try to really change anything. I'd also know that the Dem ticket would have lost the appeal of Independents inspired by obama, and I'd be sure that the Republican candidacy would get more votes on an anti-Hillary psychology drive.

I'd be sad that we didn't go the other way (Obama / CLinton). THAT ticket would assure Independent voters, some Republican voters, a unified Dem ticket (I don't see many CLintonites refusing to support Obama), and no anti-Hillary rallying cry.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

18. Thanks For Your Genuine Response.

I disagree with some of it, but I do agree that even an Obama/Hillary ticket would be amazing. That's kind of why I ask; because if it DID turn out that way, I'd still be completely psyched about the campaign.

[cloudythescribbler]

34. If Obama is the nominee, I would STRONGLY prefer another running mate to HRC, possibly Boxer

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

48. I'd LOVE To See That!!!

[Colobo]

10. I firmly believe Obama will defeat Hillary, but I don't mind if the run together.

[cloudythescribbler]

38. Here's an (unwanted in some quarters) analysis of Obama's chances:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4429972

[roesch]

64. Let us not make assumptions yet...

I am not sure Obama wants to be wagged by the Clinton co-presidency, which will not happen as I suspect we might have a last minute third party to split the independent vote and tip it to the Republicans who will run the two front runners, and who will do much better against HRC than many suspect.

[JeanGrey]

11. I don't believe that Hillary will be the nominee.

It would be a question of would he pick her and I hope to god he picks Edwards.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

27. I Couldn't Care Less Who You Believe Will Or Won't Be. So Can You Answer The Question In The OP Now?

Thanks. :hi:

[JeanGrey]

113. I've answered it before.

Read MY lips. I WON'T VOTE FOR HILLARY. Get it?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

78. GOP needs Hillary to be the nom, so they can take back congress

they need Hillary to run, so that they can take back congress and win the presidency.

[JeanGrey]

114. I cannot believe that people do not see how polarizing

Hillary is!! Obama actually had republican MEN voting for him! Wake up folks.

[Renew Deal]

12. Hillary is part of the problem

So it would be hard to be enthusiastic about continuing the problem.

[KittyWampus]

13. I doubt she'll be the nominee. Could not ever feel excited about a Clinton presidency

Doubt she'd pick O.
Doubt O would take her offer if it came
Expect her to lose should she be the nominee
Will not vote for her as a personal self-indulgence. I live in NY and have the luxury of not HAVING to vote in the POTUS

[Apollo11]

15. "Hillary will undoubtedly be the nominee"??

First you should go and look up undoubtedly in a dictionary.

Then go and look at the latest delegate numbers, and the calendar of upcoming primaries and caucuses.

Then factor in Obama's momentum and fundraising.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

25. Try And Open You Mind, If Even For A Moment.

I'm perfectly entitled to be convinced of that, and if you don't like it then too bad so sad. But that's not the point of the thread. The point of the thread is to ask the question that if that is to be the case, and she picked Obama as her VP, how would you feel about the combined ticket?

My god, the closed mindedness and ability to think only 1 level deep is staggering.

[Apollo11]

40. I am not a "Die Hard Obama Fan"

I will support the Democratic ticket, whoever wins the nomination.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

47. Oh Ok. Then Your Answer's Irrelevant.

I thought I had made it fairly clear whose opinions I was interested in hearing. I guess not clear enough? :shrug:

[Name removed]

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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[blogslut]

16. As I told my child when we watched the debates

I would be proud to have any of them as my candidate. I just prefer that candidate be Barack Obama.

[Mass]

17. I'll support her, if anything because she is infinitely superior to any Republicans, but do not ask

for enthusiasm. And, BTW, I think she will be the nominee.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

32. Just To Be Clear;

I kinda meant enthusiasm towards Obama still getting into the WH, albeit as VP, as opposed to enthusiastically supporting Hillary for sake of Hillary. Not sure if that makes any sense.

[Mass]

44. Oh, I got it, but I believe he would only have a minor role in a Clinton administration (given that

Bill will have an important role - that I can understand). So, no, no enthusiasm for a ballot where she is the top of the ticket. It would be an ABR (Anything But Republican) support for me.

[MH1]

19. Not likely.

The hope and aspirations of an Obama candidacy will die with it.

The only way would be for Clinton to inspire such hope, among people like me, by her own actions. Based on what I've seen, I don't expect it to happen.

[tekisui]

21. If it played out as you laid out.....

Hell yeah, I'd still be excited. I think Obama's energy is his greatest election strength.

If Hillary gets the nod, I would hate to lose what he brings to the party: People. Having said that, I'd be excited about Hillary, even without Obama.

She'd do well to pick him.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

33. Agreed Completely.

[still_one]

22. It won't happen, either way, either way. Obama would never accept it

with Bill Clinton part of the White House, and Hillary would never accept being a vice president under Obama

It also would not help either candidate against mccain

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

41. Well Humor Me. Say It Did Happen. What Would Your Feelings Be?

[still_one]

101. neutral, but they get my vote regardless

[RiverStone]

23. It's that attitude of Clinton "inevitability" which...

Which has prompted lots of that bitterness you speak of.

If she gets the nom, I'll be deeply disappointed - but she will get my vote. I am a Democrat after all.

Though I still can't fathom how Hillary supporters think a candidate with such high negatives (across all parties) can win?!

That being said, I am confident that Obama will continue his race, his pace, and eventually pass Hillary in the delegate count. Just maybe, by next Tuesday.

And you OPERATIONMINDCRIME, what will be your feelings IF Obama wins?

[scheming daemons]

35. Exactly... Hillary supporters don't understand how much their "inevitability" crap hurts them....

...the whole premise of this thread is that Hillary is the "inevitable" candidate.

The premise is flawed.


But the question DOES indicate that even Clinton supporters are worried that they couldn't hold Obama supporters if she's the nominee, even as they know that he would hold them in the GE.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

51. Oh Grow Up And Open Your Mind.

I'm allowed to think that Hillary will undoubtedly be the nom, same as you believe otherwise. Are you so fragile that you can't handle someone having a firm opinion? Jesus.

And that isn't the premise of the thread whatsoever. That part of it is supplied as personal background as to why the question I'm asking has merit to me, and is of interest to me. It is a legitimate question.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

45. I'd Be Excited As Hell.

I think Obama is all sorts of talented and inspiring. Though I voted for Hillary because I think she would be the stronger of the two in defending/countering the RW attack machine, I'm prouder than hell of them both and am giddy this morning realizing that one of those two, if not BOTH, will be in the WH next year.

[scheming daemons]

24. I think the passion that Obama supporters have would be caput....

The ones that vote will likely vote for Hillary... but they won't work hard for her.

A large percentage of the Obama vote is the anti-everything-about-Washington vote.... if Clinton wins, then that sentiment has lost.

It will be a mostly Clinton vote... but a listless one.



That said.... The rest of this month is going to turn this race Obama's way.... and your "firm belief" will be found to be wrong.

[RoadRage]

26. I will back whoever the nominee is, but NO - it won't be with as much enthusiasm..

I actually hope that Obama doesn't agree to be her VP. I think there is going to be a lot of decisions, and possibly scandals in a Clinton administration (similar to the first one). I don't want Obama to be part of that. I want him to be able to stand on his own two feet and remain clean from any of that so he can go after the the race and win in 2012 or 2016.

If he were to agree to be on the ticket, I would support and vote (just like I will if he's not) - but it will be with a lot less enthusiasm. I have several republican & independent friends that I have either already swung on to the Obama wagon, or have potential to do if McCain is the nominee. I wouldn't even bother asking them to vote for Clinton, it would be a waste of breath.

Obama = new energy in my circle.. Clinton does not.

And, I DO think he has a very good shot at being the front runner! In that case, I would also hope he wouldn't ask Hillary to be VP. John Edwards would be great.

[THUNDER HANDS]

28. i would be pissed

i don't want him on her ticket.

[cloudythescribbler]

98. I don't want her on HIS ticket

[tekisui]

29. Also, if Obama joined her on a ticket, he'd give a great a moving speech

tying the two of them together. He would generate the excitement for the ticket.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

53. Yup. That's The Vision I Keep Having In My Head.

I watched both of their speeches last night, and was inspired by both. To still have him out there, inspiring the masses in such ways, while she would be doing the same, would be exciting as hell to me. Personally, I think they'd be unstoppable as they work their way into the history books.

[tekisui]

59. I prefer that scenario over them splitting, and having a brokered convention

and getting......who knows?

[Pab Sungenis]

36. No.

I really don't want Hillary as the nominee. Heck, I didn't want Obama as the nominee but he's the best we have left.

If Hillary tops the ticket, I'm going to find it very hard to go out and work for her. I might even resign my leadership position on the county committee so I don't have to.

[stillrockin]

37. I'm of a firm belief that Obama will undoubtedly be the nominee.

Will YOU still be able to feel at least some level of the excitement you feel now, and help propel our party to a historical victory in November?

I'm just curious what your feelings might be if such things were to occur.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

54. Answer Mine And I'll Answer Yours.

[stillrockin]

116. I'm rubber, you're glue . . .

:bounce:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

117. Umm No, That's Actually A Really Stupid Reply. I Asked You The Question. If You Answer It Like An

adult, I'll absolutely respectfully answer yours.

Give it a try. It won't hurt, I promise. :hi:

[abburdlen]

39. I'll support Clinton

if she is the nominee but honestly, no the excitement won't be there. The VP doesn't set the tone, doesn't get the much control of the 'Big Picture' (that would be especially true in a Clinton White house)
In fact if Clinton ends up winning, I think I'd be less enthused if Obama was on the bottom of the ticket than if weren't on the ticket at all.

I'm voting for the Democratic ticket no matter what but voting for Clinton will feel like settling.

[TomClash]

42. For me

Two candidates I supported will have lost - Edwards and Obama - making me the kiss of death for any candidate.

I will almost certainly vote for Hillary if she is the nominee, but I'd be disappointed. I'm not sure how much I'd work for her or contribute to her campaign. Bill Clinton, the attitude of some of her supporters here and other issues have poisoned the well. I really have Clinton fatigue.

[Adelante]

43. Enthusiasm for that ticket, no

I would, of course, vote for whatever the ticket turns out to be. It's not a matter of Obama not being nominated, should that turn out to be the case; it's that I don't want Clinton as the nominee, regardless. I didn't start out this way, but it's where I've arrived.

[mudesi]

46. I will be utterly disappointed and depressed if Hillary Clinton wins the nomination

Not because I am an Obama supporter. But Clinton is the absolute worst candidate of all of them. There were eight candidates to choose from, the best being Kucinich, the worst being Clinton. Why must the worst one be the winner? Can't people at least go for second or third worst for once?

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

50. Real life Democrats I've spoken with, who are not DUers -

- thank God -

say they would be excited by a Clinton-Obama or Obama-Clinton ticket.

Other real life Democrats I've spoken with believe that such a ticket is not only a good idea, but inevitable.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

58. I've Had The Same Experience. I Think It Would Generate The Most Buzz Of Any Ticket Ever.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

67. It's always refreshing to hear from the non-inmates of the asylum

I hear it from young people, old people, people I eavesdrop on riding the bus ;)...

This week I heard it from a graphic designer living in Minneapolis and a cab driver from Nigeria. They really like the idea of both names on the ticket. A realtor I know is more sanguine - she just figures it'll happen because it's our best chance.

[Neecy]

52. I don't think he'd do it

Bill Clinton will be Hillary's de facto VP and whomever actually fills that position will be little more than a figurehead. I don't think he'll feel that's the best use of his time or talent. I also think that if Hillary does end up being the nominee it'll be through manipulation of the FL/MI delegates or the super delegates and the bitterness will be fairly intense. No, I don't think he'll do it. And she'd pick someone more politically in tune with her such as Bayh or Richardson.

But - in your miracle scenario, I'm reserving my right to be enthusiastic about the ticket based on how she won the nomination. If it's at all underhanded then no, putting Barack on the ticket won't change at all how I feel about her candidacy.

[JNelson6563]

55. This thread proves many Obama supporters shortsighted

Ok, first off I am a pretty objective observer on this contest. With that said....

Reading these comments from Obama supporters, that they wouldn't want him as Clinton's VP or that he wouldn't take it if offered....lol.

This all or nothing, now or never mindset ain't how it works in real politics. If Obama really wants to be President but can't win this primary, there is hardly a stronger strategy than having served as VP for 8 years. This would give him all the experience he needs and totally wipe out that criticism of him. He's very young so, as opposed to an older candidate in that slot, it would be excellent timing for him too.

You all need to rise above the moment and think further into the future than next week.

Julie

[SKKY]

56. Yes, and here is why...

...because first of all, after 8 years of the crap we've had to endure, I think it speaks volumes about our country that the likely next president will be either a woman or a black male. I actually get goosebumps just thinking about it because, as much as I enjoy posting on DU, I get tired of all the people who say "America is screwed", or "Bush is killing America." America is as much a philosophy as it is a country, and if one person can destroy that in 8 years, why the hell have I spent the last 16 years of my life in the military serving something so fragile and weak? I think we're doing in this election what we did not do after 9/11- come back bigger, better, and stronger. Obama is my guy, but I would be proud to cast a vote for either. Besides, if Obama is the VP, that pretty much guarantees 16 years of a democratic white house. And I plan to back that up with a contribution of as much as my paltry military salary will allow. By the way OMC, and this is on a personal note, it's good to see you around here.

[oviedodem]

57. I will vote for Hil if he is on the ticket; I am not sure what I will do otherwise.

This is where I am today and it may change as we get closer. Yes, I do feel she will be the nominee when all is said and done.

[jmg257]

61. I could not get excited - she represents much of what I dislike - atleast 4 more years of the same

old thing - I am NOT talking all the repub BS, but more professional POLITICIANS who will say and do ANYthing for more power & MORE CONTROL and who are beholding only to themselves and the $$$ corporations and not we the people.

Throwing Barrack a bone is a nice, but otherwise usless gesture, that ties him up for 8 long years.

[Deja Q]

62. Okay, I'll play.

If Hillary picks Obama as veep, she won't even catch a cold.

If Obama picks Hillary as veep, expect him to live for about a year, tops.

:silly:

You asked for hypothetical hyperbole. You've got it. :7

[Dawgs]

63. 1) I think Obama wins the nomination 2) I won't be happy or energized with Hillary on the ticket.

[RunningFromCongress]

65. I honestly feel Clinton would be bad for the country

so no, I wouldn't support a Hillary Clinton ticket no matter who the VP was. Fact is she's too polarizing, with her we KNOW there's no chance of the country coming together at all. Just 4 or 8 more years of the same "us (dem) vs. them (rep)". That's NOT what I want. I was originally for Edwards, and have since moved behind Obama. Is it a sure thing that Obama will bring the country together? No. Is there a chance? Yes. What this country needs more than ever is to be brought together, since there's 0% chance of that happening with Hillary and at least .1% chance of it happening with Barack; I support Barack.

If Clinton is at the top of the ticket, I'll abstain from voting or vote republican. Because I'd rather see a democratic loss in 08 to set up a win in 2012 than 4 years of Bush Politics just mirrored.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

69. "I'll abstain from voting or vote republican"

Moron.

[RunningFromCongress]

96. How/Why?

I don't support a Clinton in the white house. It would create a negative national perception of the Democratic party. As a result I will contribute to NOT electing her.

[RiverStone]

102. WTF is anybody that would vote puke doing on DU?

Believe me, I don't want Hillary for many reasons - but I sure as hell would never, ever, under any circumstance, vote for a puke.

[RiverStone]

103. Ah come on Running, ya really would not vote puke would you?

I don't like Hillary - but I can't fathom ever voting for a rethug.

GoBama!

[DaLittle Kitty]

118. How Do The Republicans Feel About Being "Brought Together" If They Are Required To Relinquish Power

Control and $$$$$$$$$$$$ To Do So?

ANSWER... They Ain't For it.... So You're going to find out THE HARD WAY just WHAT John Edwards was talking about when he spoke about TAKING POWER FROM THEM... It's too bad soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many are so easilyyyyyyyyyyyyyy persuaded to follow a motivational speaker who speaks loudly but says sooooooooooooooooo little of substance just cause it makes them feel good to listen to him....

So the real candidate that actually represented a solid threat to the Corporations that run this country is cast aside by The Corporate Media while progressive leaders like Tim Carpenter of PDA talk about working to pull Obama and Hillary LEFT... when BOTH are bought and paid for by the same benefactors as the Republicans... Military Industrial Complex, Wall Street, Big insurance, Big Oil and Big Coal...

I hope that I will be in a position to still smile when this crap is all over with........?

[Lisa0825]

66. It has nothing to do with being an "Obama Fan."

I have not liked Hillary since way before I started supporting Obama (which was very recently). I do not believe Hillary will be good for the country, for a number of reasons, including she is too corporatist for my liking.

I do think she would be better than ANY Republican, however, so I will vote for her. I don't think that I will be able to work for her and lie through my teeth when canvassing, however.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

71. Sure It Does. In Fact, That's The Entire Core Of The OP.

Since it is my thread and my question, I'm fairly certain I understood whose opinions I was looking for. In this case, it was the opinions of Obama fans, so this thread has EVERYTHING to do with that, with all due respect.

[Lisa0825]

82. My point is that it sounded to me as if you were saying there was something about

being an Obama supporter that causes people to dislike Hillary. However, plenty of Edwards, Kucinich, and other supporters didn't like her either. DISLIKING Hillary is not directly related to being an Obama supporter.

[Jed Dilligan]

68. Obama's campaign will be the first one I have ever worked for

If Hillary takes the nom I will be on the sidelines as usual and vote for her grudgingly. Her campaign and I are totally irrelevant to each other.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

72. Have You Been Enjoying It?

It's an awesome feeling to be involved isn't it?

[Jed Dilligan]

80. It does!

Sitting at the bar with two SEIU guys last night and rooting for Obama, I felt connected to people around me in a way I haven't before. Politically! Obama's campaign has and will continue to bring me out of the shadows and into American life.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

84. For The 2006 Congressional Elections, I Worked Phone Banks And Drove People To The Polls.

It was one of the best feelings I've ever had as an individual.

[stillcool]

70. I do not think that will happen...

I think if Hillary wins the nomination she should and would pick a VP more aligned with her own brand of politics.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

74. Don't Care If You Think It Will. But For Shits And Giggles, If It Does, What Say You?

[stillcool]

88. I would prefer not.

I think his talents would be better used in some other capacity.

[flaminbats]

73. I think Obama can still win..

but it's certainly an uphill battle at this point. He needed to win in Arizona where the Governor endorsed him, and in Massachusetts where both Senators endorsed him. even winning California or New York would have been enough to make Obama the front runner.

I still believe in Obama's message and that he can win the nomination. but if Obama wins the nomination, he'll be making a huge mistake if he doesn't put Clinton on the ticket.

[Perky]

75. I think she may have to ask Obama.. I am not sure he would want to accept

but that is where it gets tricky.

Hillary without Obama against McCain is a tight election.


Obama runs the risk of getting blamed.



Tough call.... I am not sure what he would do.

[ramapo]

79. I'd have no choice

If she is the nomineee, I don't think she'd have any choice but Obama for VP.

The problem is we'd probably still lose countless Obama supporters along the way. Hillary will not get Republican votes. Hillary will energize Republicans. The young people new to the process, brought in by Obama, will be difficult, to keep.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

81. Not Sure I Understand Their Mentality Though.

Why not still be excited that he would be in the whitehouse, and have that on his resume along with the experience of it, to help propel HIM to 8 years of presidency? I would think they should still be excited as hell for him if he was on the ticket, but to each their own I guess.

[BeyondGeography]

94. Because his approach to politics is diametrically opposite that of the Clintons

Think open vs. closed, bottom-up vs. top-down. Obama is a reformer who doesn't want to be associated with the Clinton brand; it's a trade of aspiration for ambition.

Forget it.

[Skidmore]

83. Right now I'm inclined to say that the only way I would support Hillary

in the GE is if Obama is on the ticket also.

[okasha]

85. What I'm hearing from a lot of RL Democrats/liberals

is that they don't think Obama has the experience or the depth of knowledge of policy necessary to be President now. They're also concerned about his debt to evangelicals/fundamentalists.

They're fine with him as the VP candidate, though, and think he'll make a strong Dem nominee in 2016.

[awaysidetraveler]

86. Nothing on God's green earth would get me to vote Hillary or pro-war.

I'm not angry at her, I'm angry at you for voting for her.

She'll diminish the troop size in Iraq and leave bases there until 2013.

That's a recipe for permanent war, and only a change in her stance on that issue would
ever--ever--ever make me reconsider voting for her.

That's why I'm angry at you: you don't get it. HRC is not an option.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

90. HRC Is An Option, And A Great One At That. She's A Great Liberal And Will Make A Great President.

And as far as your anger towards me is concerned; too bad so sad. You'll get over it.

[TwilightGardener]

87. No. My interest in the campaign is pretty much over if he's not the nominee--

it's back to boring politics as usual. And the thought of watching him become marginalized as VP in some weird power-sharing triangle with Hillary and Bill, where they would obviously only use his starpower to get elected and then give him some token projects afterward (where he won't outshine her), makes me ill.

[BoneDaddy]

89. Will hold my nose and vote for Clinton

nuff said.

[Avalux]

91. I will be very disappointed. I will not actively participate.

In fact, if Hillary wins the nomination, I'd say my interest in politics will be over even though I will vote for her. Wish I could express how I'd feel but it's difficult. Her nomination would prove to me that things will never change and the establishment always wins. Whether Obama is her VP or not.

[Bullet1987]

92. Don't count your eggs before they hatch...

but the only way I vote for Clinton is if Obama is on the ticket.

[Catchawave]

93. A very telling thread OMC....did anyone answer the question yet?

As a recovering Edwards supporter who still supports him, I'm leaning Hillary. The responses on this thread have made me lean a little further.

Oh and the Jack Nicholson endorsement too :D

[1awake]

95. I would not feel the same level of

excitement, though in some ways, it would make me feel better if he was on the ticket. With Hillary in the office, in my opinion, the vp slot would pretty much be useless/pointless position. She has already stated she will use Bill around the world etc., so what exactly would Obama do as a vp?.. very little. Bill is not one to be silent, nor really do what he is told, so I don't see it working out that well.

[harun]

99. I think Obama will win even with Hillary's non elected establishment

super delegates and her stunt in Michigan. And at that point Barack can just say "take that".

But... If Hillary does still come out on top and she picks Obama for VP, I would support that and be quite excited.

[Elspeth]

100. I worry that the youth vote will sit out the election if Barak loses

But then, they are not the most likely voters usually.

[karynnj]

105. I worry about this too

I spent the last few days with people working for Obama in NJ. Many were young people. They spoke of needing the release from the cynicism that they had towards politics. Obama provides that - the nastiness with which some of the Clinton victories were achieved are painful to some. The Clintons were the Democrats of their youth and this has hurt.

Now, this is a partisan and politicized segment. Many will come around and they are too political not to become involved. Others are people who described themselves as usually not political, but wanting a release from the ugliness of the political fights they have heard all their cognitive life. Some of them will possibly see HRC as not enough reason to vote, much less work.

This is subjective and does not involve many people - and could well be atypical.

[Elspeth]

106. I also think they identify more with Obama in terms of his own relative youth

Not a bad thing. And the freshness he brings to the political arena. I just hope that they care enough to vote Dem on election day no matter what happens. I fear that they won't.

[Kitsune]

111. I'm 25 and I've never missed an election since I was able to vote.

I have been obsessed with politics since the 8th grade. I will grant you that a lot of my peers are complete idiots when it comes to politics, but I think that's getting better, in part because of Obama's influence on the race.

That said, I am not an Obama supporter. I am only pulling for him at this point because he's Not Clinton. If it's between Clinton and Obama for the nomination, I want Obama because he actually stands a chance of earning my vote, whereas I will never cast a vote for a ticket with Clinton on it. I WANT to vote Dem this November, but at this point I am down to voting against whatever idiot the Republicans run, not FOR the Democrat. I tried this once before and it blew up in my face, and I'm sick of it, but I'm willing to give it one more shot this time around, but only if it's not a Clinton. My willingness to vote against rather than for only extends so far.

[rox63]

104. I'd vote for them

But not with the passion and excitement I have for Obama.

[Big Blue Marble]

107. There is no such thing as Clinton Obama Team.

If Clinton put Obama on her team, she would be using him to get elected, to appease the black voters and other Obama supporters.
After the election, he would have less influence in her administration than Bill Clinton

This is not enough for Obama and not enough for his supporters. He would get little out of being her VP and would
have sold out his principles and his supporters.

Personally, I would not support Hillary Clinton for president even if Barack Obama were her running mate.

And i would be very disappointed in Obama for accepting her offer.

[Occam Bandage]

108. I will support Clinton regardless of the VP choice.

[leftofthedial]

109. What a stupid post. Noone on DU wants to hear this moronic idiocy.

No food for you.

:rofl:

I imagine most (though not all) DUers will vote for the Democratic ticket in November.

When Obama wins and doesn't choose Clinton as VP, will you be able to enthusiastically support him?

[Hippo_Tron]

110. I haven't given too much thought to that scenario, the nominee will get my vote no matter what

I guess the question is whether I'll work on the campaign in the fall. I've just spent a month working on Obama's campaign and I can tell you that it's a hell of a time commitment. I'm not sure if having Obama on the ticket will make me more likely to do the same in the fall. We'll see.

[conservdem]

115. No.