NBC NEWS: OBAMA 840 DELEGATES, CLINTONS 830 in Super Tuesday Contests

[Dems Will Win]

The Clintons were supposed to beat Obama by 350 delegates when this all started, then he hoped to be within 200. This is a shocker as Obama actually won about 10 more delegates last night than the previously inevitable Clintons.

NBC News, which is projecting delegates based on the Democratic Party's complex formula, figures Obama will wind up with 840 to 849 delegates, versus 829 to 838 for Clinton.

Clinton was portrayed in many news accounts as the night’s big winner, but Obama’s campaign says he wound up with a higher total where it really counts — the delegates who will choose the party’s nominee at this summer’s Democratic convention.

With the delegate count still under way, NBC News said Obama appears to have won around 840 delegates in yesterday’s contests, while Clinton earned about 830 — “give or take a few,” Tim Russert, the network’s Washington bureau chief, said on the “Today” show.

The running totals for the two, which includes previous contests and the party officials known as “superdelegates,” are only about 70 delegates apart, Russert said.

The bottom line is that the two are virtually tied.



http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8358.html

Obama is favored in at least 18 of the next 24 contests and the Clintons are not allowed by law to raise more primary $$ form maxed-out big donors, so it looks like Obama is right now favored to win the nomination and must be considered the front-runner. The Clintons would need NEW rich donors to win -- and they simply don't exist.

The next primaries and caucuses are:

LA, NE (caucus), WA (caucus) , Virgin Islands, ME (caucus), DC, MD, VA, HI, WI

The only possible states for the Clintons in this lineup are obviously just VA and maybe Maine.

[WinkyDink]

1. Since you insist on writing "Clintons", may I call your team "ObamaKennedys"?

Who lost Massachusetts?

Or would that be "ObamaOprahCult"?

[Dems Will Win]

3. Call us whatever you like, just don't call us late to dinner!

Because OBAMAOPRAHKENNEDYS just beat the Clintons last night for the nomination.

[maddiejoan]

14. I prefer

Opramady

[Dems Will Win]

19. or Barackedy!

That's it then. It's Barackedy against the Clintons.

Inform the board.

[NJSecularist]

52. Was that supposed to be funny?

If it was, you failed miserably. :thumbsdown:

[mod mom]

7. An apostrophe was missed-sheesh!

Remember (as NPR stated this am) over 50% of California's voters had cast their votes early before Obama's recent surge. They stated that voting started in CA just after HRC's NH win.

[blm]

12. Clintons have had their Hillary 2008 campaign team together for 8 yrs.

Obama is doing really well with his newly formed team, eh?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

16. Hillary supported Lieberman over Lamont, right?

but she's pro war (she's DLC).

[mod mom]

2. Money Raised in January is an EXCELLENT barometer as to where the momentum lies!

Obama $ 32 mill from small donations vs Clinton's ~ $ 11 Mill from larger (spent out ) donations!

[ginnyinWI]

4. I donated my first $$ to Obama in January

And I'm going to send some more today!!

[mod mom]

9. My husband and I did as well. I also sent more this am.

[krkaufman]

30. Heard on the news this morning that 2/3 of Hillary's donors are maxed. n/t

[mod mom]

45. ouch. I guess the corporate candidates will be pushing for larger $ limits.

[krkaufman]

49. I wouldn't put it past them to pass the legislation before the month is out. n/t

[WCGreen]

54. Yea, that's gonna happen....

And Bush will sign it real quick like...

[onehandle]

5. DU = Free Republic.

Why not just go one step further and call Hillary 'Klintoons?'

[calico1]

29. It does seem that way a lot, doesn't it? n/t

[krkaufman]

33. Weren't Bill & Hillary the ones who proclaimed that, with them...

... you get "two for the price of one"?

[onehandle]

47. You mean when Bill said that in 1992?

Funny. Right wing blogs are full of claims that Hillary is saying that on the trail here in 2007.

I find it fascinating that Obama supporters keep parroting swiftboating phrases from the Right.

Nice try.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. Huh?

The OP was simply talking about delegates.

It what way do you percieve that as a slur?

[Drunken Irishman]

57. You mean like when someone called Obama Obamaphobe?

Or his followers cultists? I think it's interesting you make a big stink about this, yet I've not seen ONE post from you deriding the slimy attacks on Obama and his supporters. Or are you one of the many hypocrites (on both sides), who think it's ok to disparage one candidate, but it's not cool to do it to another?

PATHETIC.

[ccpup]

6. where are you getting the info that he's favored in 18 of the next 24?

Are there Polls out or ... ?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

8. again with this friggin Politico.com.....it is a repuke site!! WTF?!?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

17. Hillary is DLC - that IS republican lite

google it.

[AGirl]

10. Okay so you can write Clinton off, and I won't vote for Obama in GE. Take care.

[meow mix]

11. nice how does hillbot spin this?

haha

[AGirl]

13. I don't need to spin it. You can gloat all you want.

[zulchzulu]

15. Delegate counts are what counts in the end

A nomination is based on delegate counts, not what states are won or lost.

[Benhurst]

18. Yeah, the votes of the people count for little. But then who needs to be

told that who has lived through the past eight years.

[druidity33]

24. actually

the popular vote was pretty darn close, considering. Why can't anyone admit this round was a stalemate?

I feel like i'm on a playground and i keep hearing "I won!"... "No! I did!"... "You changed the Rules!"... "did not!"... "did too!"

blah, blah, blah.

I say they team up as BO/HRC for one term and then switch it up the next time around.

:shrug:

[Benhurst]

35. One person, one vote is the way to go. No super delegates, no

complicated formulas based on Congressional districts, whatever. And no minimum percentages for representation.

If that makes the nomination process a bit messier, so be it.

[greyghost]

20. Dream on, the "Clintons" can collect from other sources and are.

[blm]

26. Jackson Stephens endowed the Clintons didn't he? heheh

Surely the deep-sixing of the BCCI report throughout the 90s was worth many millions to Jackson Stephens, Dubai and Saudi royals, Marc Rich, GHWBush and his many operatives.

And let's not forget the closing of the books on all the matters that were ongoing in IranContra and Iraqgate when Bill took office.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

Bush2 never should have happened.

[ClericJohnPreston]

21. I am so sick of

the friggin Obamatons who act like spoiled Nursery School children who have to win at all costs, including at the expense of truth.

More people voted for Hillary than Obama. Obama doesn't resonate in any major urban center. He won in the South along racial lines. He is a regional candidate who doesn't do well in primaries and who has no appeal for the sophisticated voter, which is why he preys on neophyte voters. They don't know any better....as proven by the usual ridiculous spin.

CULTISTS!

[greyghost]

25. Exactly, his base is naive first time voters who are swayed by...

his rhetoric. They are totally clueless as to how this will go down and are grasping at the MSM's talking heads who are trying to make it a contest to help their ratings.

[DS1]

34. Or maybe they just disagree with you

and think that Hillary will get eaten up and spit out by the press, just like Edwards.

[greyghost]

39. Right, as much as the rethug MSM might like to, it ain't happening.

[loveangelc]

27. Um...she won by 1% ok. Lets not act like she won by 10% which some polls had her up that much

not long ago. Hillary won the states where Democrats win every election cycle, so why exactly is it such a victory? He did not win the South along racial lines; he doubled his vote among whites in GA for instance. You are so full of shit and so stupid to refer to us as cultists though.

[DS1]

32. You have issues, dude.

More people voted for Gore. More people voted for Kerry. You'd think that you'd understand that the popular vote doesn't count in the US.

Stop calling half the people here unsophisticated, it's very unsophisticated of you, douchebag. :)

[Binka]

38. The Dude Has Been Here For One Fucking Month. He Has Some Nerve.

What bloody cheek. I am signing off on DU until this mess is over. Hope you are well DS1. :hi:

Edit: clarity

[ClericJohnPreston]

42. Ok tool

I'll wager my bona fides over yours anyday, chump.

[DS1]

43. shove them up your ass instead

goddamn troll

[Guava Jelly]

44. Obamaton is juvenile...Name calling is juvenile and freeperish

As a former Edwards supporter please stop this crap.

[zulchzulu]

46. Thanks for calling people like me a "Cultist"...

...who still has a candidate in the race and kicked the crap out of candidates like John Edwards.

:hi:

[Coexist]

22. Obama camp claiming O-908, C-884

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/obama_campaign_claims_delegate.php

[Jennicut]

23. Superdelegates can vote who they want as well

I don't like or agree with that system but none of the superdelegates have to have their minds made up until the convention. If it looks like Obama has a lead in delegates and momentum they could vote his way. The next few primaries are very important.

[krkaufman]

28. I'd just comment that Hillary could raise money through small donations ...

... from lots of donors;

... and also that all states are up-for-grabs, though O's money edge may help him counter Hillary's name recognition.

It's all tied-up, heading into the second half.

[mckeown1128]

31. kick and rec...

obama has the most money, states, delegates, and momentum.

[helderheid]

36. ditto!

[mckeown1128]

37. another kick!!!! nt

[Vinca]

40. Yippee! When I left home this morning I thought we were behind!

This is great!!!!!!!!!!!:woohoo:

[Marie26]

48. CNN still shows: Clinton 811, Obama 720. nt

[BenDavid]

50. hrc 619 + 193 = 812 & bho 614 + 106 = 720 1:48 p.m. c.t.

[Marie26]

51. OK

That's del + super-del. Makes sense. What is the breakdown of MSNBC's numbers?

[caligirl]

53. Hillary has some Latino union support I thought, she only has a small percent

of smaller donors. Unfortunatley the people supporting her are the ones in the lower income grooup where money is too tight, and the top tear who are maxed out. She is indebt to her senate fund having used it up last fall. All she has left is the GE fund and thats off limits. She has more personal money and Bill has his foundation fund from secret donors but it would be off limits.


By way of contrast, Clinton raised only 15% of her individual contributions in the fourth quarter money from donors who gave unitemized contributions of $200 or less. While both candidates depended heavily on "bundlers" to collect large contributions in 2007 (see "Fundraising Central" report here), Obama's success with small donors has opened a new path to help fuel his campaign.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/1/173227/9625

[LadyVT]

55. In other words, she's still ahead, as she was before Super Tuesday

[HCE SuiGeneris]

56. Leaking oil and momentum slowing, but still ahead.