Americans are starting to realize that Obama is more style then substance.

[Bo Bike]

It is becoming clear as more and more Americans take a close sober look at Barack Obama’s past they will find that there is not one major accomplishment in his carrier.

On super Tuesday Hillary Clinton got the popular vote and captured the majority of the delegates and supper delegates. The upcoming map favors Hillary. Virginia, Maryland and DC may tip to Obama but Hillary will win the big states of Pennsylvania Ohio and Texas. Come convention time the delegates from Florida and Michigan will demand to be seated and that will put Hillary over the top for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States.

Obama supporters have to ask them selves’ one question. Has Barack Obama ever governed the way he preaches? I think they will find that there is only one answerer.

[Colobo]

1. Obama won 13 states... how many did Hillary win again?

[ccpup]

8. by being smart and channeling her resources into delegate-rich

States and delegate-rich districts. Let Barack have his 13 States. The States she focused on -- and won -- were the ones that mattered delegate-wise and she appears to be doing well delegate-wise even in States she lost simply because of the Districts she's drawing from.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

11. he won in mostly all "OPEN" praimary and caucus states...keyword "open"

[Recursion]

24. Yes: "open". Winning open states is what matters

McCain has a history of winning "open" primaries too. In both cases it's a sign that they actually have a chance of winning contested states.

We have written off the land between the Mississippi and the Sierra Nevada for decades and it keeps making us lose.

As a slightly-bitter aside, I can't stop laughing when I hear Obama supporters called naive by people who think the solid and consistent negative view of Hillary Clinton among a large part of the country is somehow going to vanish.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

30. you seem to forget that most of Obama wins were in the states that...

had "open" primary and Caucus's.......meaning that many repuke voters joined in just to fuck with the Dem Primary and voted for Obama because they know he can't win in the GE.....and they will now go about their pathetic lives and not vote for him in the GE this Nov.

that is why the repuke owned corporate and their media whores are also pushing for Obama too....all morning not barely a word about any of Clinton's wins and playing clips only of Obama's speech and McCains speeches..... have to ask yourself why

let me tell you.....this has been the rove/gop/corporate plan since Boston.....I do hope everyone understands this

[Recursion]

32. Err... the "open" states were my point

meaning that many repuke voters joined in just to fuck with the Dem Primary and voted for Obama because they know he can't win in the GE

Umm... no. They voted for him because they want him to be President.

This is the same sour grapes "entitlement" nonsense that * used to railroad McCain in 2000.

[Straight Shooter]

42. Back up a minute. Remember kos exhorting Dems to cross over and vote for Romney?

I think that was Michigan. I've slept since then, as they say, so I could be wrong on the state. Anyway, Romney, who wasn't looking too good, scored a win. kos did this to keep Romney in the running and screw with McCain's chances, IIRC.

So, tell me, if the good decent Dems are willing to cheapen themselves by crossing over to cast a vote for a Repub, what makes you think the Repubs won't play the same game.

My take on this election is all bets are off, none of the rules apply, everything is speculation and a prayer from here on out.

[Recursion]

43. OK, who was telling Republicans to vote for Obama?

Hmmm?

[Straight Shooter]

45. Who do you think? It's a network. It's understood that's how the game is played.

Repubs aren't political neophytes. They know how to mess with people's minds.

We'll never know how many crossover votes went to Barack, or, for that matter, to Hillary. I'm certainly willing to believe many voted for Hillary to enhance her chances of being the nominee, if they see her as easier to beat. OTOH, if the Repubs lately perceived that Barack is the one to beat, because he does seem to be the antitheses to their conservative ways (his rock star status), they would then vote for him because he would, frankly, look inexperienced compared to McCain.

[Recursion]

46. No, I can tell you exactly who was asking Republicans to vote for Obama

Obama was.

[Straight Shooter]

50. Well, that's very clever.

But I'm not amused. They are snakes. If they curl up next to Barack today, they'll turn around and bite him tomorrow.

[Bullet1987]

2. Is that why he won the most states? And the Delegate count is NOT final yet

but spin to your hearts desire.

[Lerkfish]

3. "supper delegates"? LOL

I thought Clinton was going to win 18 of 22, but only won 8 of 22. If any candidate got their comeuppance, you should look there.

and there is more than "only one answerer".

[Bo Bike]

9. So Alaska with its 700 democrats = California

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

18. That's delegates, not democrats

Get a clue.

[Bo Bike]

39. Alaska has 700 delegates? I suppose they have 700 electoral collage votes too.

Get a clue!

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

53. Alaska has 406 state delegates, and 13 delegates to the convention

I don't know where you're getting 700 from. Alaska is a caucusing state. There were a hell of a lot more than 700 voters.

[Bo Bike]

57. I was being sarcastic.

[JorgeTheGood]

28. Heck, I thought Obama was going to

deliver the knock-out punch on super tuesday.

At least that's what Zogby, Rasmussen, CNN, FOX, MSNBC, Kennedy(s), Kerry, Mathews, Hannity, Rush, Oprah, Shriver, Russert, the deadheads, Will Smith and nearly all the Obama crowd was telling the country.

How did that work out?

[JeanGrey]

69. VERY VERY WELL.

[loveangelc]

4. Hillary won the popular vote by freakin' 1%. Are you serious? You act as if she won by 7%

IMO Obama is in a better position right now than Hillary. Obama is the underdog in this race, and for it to be as close as it was last night proves his message is resonating. Hello!? Hillary was ahead 2 weeks ago by like 15% in national polls.

[AGirl]

7. You can win a GE with less than 1 percent.

[Athletic Grrl]

38. You might want to talk to Gore and Kerry about that.

[Tom Rinaldo]

23. There were also 1.5 million votes cast in Florida by Democrats

and Hillary won there by 17% as well. If we talking about popular votes, and not just delegates, Florida needs to be considered also.

[BlackVelvet04]

54. And my dad can beat up your dad.........n/t

[loveangelc]

58. orly

[K Gardner]

5. Nice try. No cigar. Your opinion is hardly supported by.. well.. anything.

[Seen the light]

6. And now Obama spin to counter your Clinton spin

- Obama blew up the notion that he was the "black" candidate.

- He made up 20 and 30 point margins in EVERY state in a matter of a week.

- He actually won more delegates overall, unlike what you falsely stated.

- He won more states overall and showed that he can run well in RED states.

- He beat Clinton in states right outside her home like Connecticut and Delaware.

- He swept through every caucus.

- He won the important state of Missouri.

- The rest of the calendar, especially in the next month, HEAVILY favors Obama.

Now, all that being said, what you said is essentially true (except by saying that Clinton won more delegates). So...who won last night? They both did. They tied.

[JorgeTheGood]

34. Connecticut is not Hillary country ...

Nor is it democrat country.

The Lieberman-Lamont vote exposed CT as the new red state.

[northzax]

47. and some counter spin

of course the races tightened up. this is the first time anyone in these states had to care about the primary, and I think that they only started to pay attention in the past two weeks. I know a lot of people in Super Tuesday states (and the upcoming ones) who have never had a meaningful primary vote, they've never had to pay attention, so they haven't until the very recent past.

so early on, they said "eh, whoever" which was basically the frontrunner. once they started to pay attention, the race tightened up. The same thing happens in the last two weeks of November in most races, the average person doesn't have the time or inclination to pay attention to politics in other states until it begins to become imminent and important. two weeks ago, people in California, Missouri, Massachusetts, North Dakota and the rest were thinking about what to make for dinner, how to pay the electric bill, get junior to soccer practice, whatever. Polls are useless before the campaign actually starts somewhere.

[meow mix]

10. i love the freaks who go around posting thier fantasies

like they have any similarity to reality whatsoever. fuckin insane loonies on here.

[cali]

12. evidence? Oh that's right, you just pulled that out

your butt. Look, genius, it's about as close as a race can possibly be, and anyone who actually bothers to really listen to Obama and to go to his site and read, realizes that he's certanily not short on substance. He did incredibly well yesterday against the DLC/Clinton machine- including winning in her backyard. And what shit you're spewing, he's an extremely accomplished man, just as she's an accomplished woman. Only an ugly partisan would deny that fact. TX is by no means a fait accomplis. He's made big strides there, and he'll get a lot of momentum from his upcoming wins in LA, NE, DC, VT, MD and other states. Not to mention the little fact that he's outraising her 3 to 1.

[Onlooker]

13. Reagan and Bush were more style than substance, too

Substance doesn't win elections. Style does.

[Straight Shooter]

48. Maybe America might be suffering "style fatigue."

The economy is once again dominating as a major issue factoring into people's considerations of the person they want as POTUS. Barack and Hillary need to square off in another debate and focus in on this issue.

I would like to see a series of debates taken issue by issue, not this piecemeal type of Q&A we've been subjected to.

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. Barack got the brunch delegates, yo!

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[ClericJohnPreston]

27. Do you?

Your response infers some psychiatric malady........

[alcibiades_mystery]

44. Uh huh

[Eurobabe]

15. Dude, you found the wrong board, you want

freerepublic.com. They can't spell there either.

style then substance? = style than substance

carrier? = career

them selves'? = themselves

What the hell is a "supper" delegate? Someone I should invite to dinner? :rofl:



Obviously we have a child left behind. :eyes:

[Bo Bike]

29. When you have nothing to counter with there is always the spelling to make fun of.

[L. Coyote]

16. Yeeeahhhh substance. That's how Bush won, right? Watch the movie "Stupidity"

if you are considering a job in political campaigning! It is important to understand WHO you must convince!

[faithfulcitizen]

17. Actually, I think people are realizing Clinton is more politician than person.

What she is trying to do in MI & FL is really disgusting, and she manages to do with a smile on her face. You know what they say, winners never cheat...

[Deja Q]

19. Okay, so he's a politician like all the others.

:shrug:

BTW: Don't ask for answers here. Few will give you anything of any depth. :(

[Tweed]

20. Washington, Nebraska, and Louisana are this Saturday the 9th

Maine is on Sunday the 10th
D.C., Maryland, and Virginia are the 12th
Hawaii and Wisconsin are the 19th

and

Ohio, Rhode Island, Texas, Vermont aren't until March 4th.

You are just skipping over 6 contests before March 4th.

In addition, Clinton led in 22 of the 24 Super Tuesday states and ended up winning only 1/3 of the states. If anyone is 'waking up' to the faults of one campaign, it's Clinton's.

[lligrd]

21. Hillary Gave Bush Everything He Wanted

You can't spin her voting record.

[OnionPatch]

22. Huh?

Obama's popularity has been growing, not declining.

[mtnsnake]

25. hahaha, look at the vitriol in the replies

and all the denial. Too funny.

Good headline. You are right. People are starting to wonder just how the hell Obama is going to bring about these miraculous inspirational changes he speaks of. Inspiration is nice, but a little substance to go along with it would make it a little more meaningful.

[adapa]

33. give him 8 years as a strong VP translating thoes ideas into reality & I'll vote for him

[cali]

35. are you saying you won't vote for him if he's the nominee? n/t

[adapa]

41. Honestly I haven't decided yet, I have a gut negative reaction to the inspirational types

I want to see the ability before I'll buy into his capacity to make change

[Windy]

26. He won more delegates based on the actual vote...

superdelegates not included. Just the PEOPLE.

[Guava Jelly]

31. umm

talk to the hand.

[book_worm]

36. you have anything to back up your assertion? he won 14 states and was ahead in only 2 2 weeks ago.

[marlakay]

37. and thats why he won so many states?

without the early voting they would have tied I bet in CA...people are just getting to know him. most folks are not junkies like us. my older daughter who is a regular independent in CA tried to vote for Obama and was told she had to be decline to state, she changed it for the future but it makes you wonder how many tried to vote for him like her and couldn't.

[TexasObserver]

40. Americans are starting to realize YES WE CAN!!

bitter pill, eh?

[pampango]

49. I hope you are wrong about Hillary winning due to the seating of Michigan and Florida

delegates, unless they are chosen in new primaries or caucuses with full campaigning like any other state (in which case they should be seated, no question).

I hope the convention and the superdelegates select the candidate with the most elected delegates (hopefully, with Michigan and Florida delegates selected anew). Any other choice will cause there to be a lot of disillusioned supporters of the candidate who had done better by the rules (accumulating delegates) and then get sent packing.

[rodeodance]

55. did you listen to Dean yesterday?

[boricua79]

51. pass the crack pipe, please

cause that sho is some good crack you smokin' there.

Underdog near ties delegates with the establishment candidate...and wins more states...

but somehow, the American people are finding out he's more style than substance.

And since when has "substance" actually won out in the last elections? Reagan? Clinton? Style beat substance there.

[Bo Bike]

56. Oh please! Obama has been the favorite since Iowa.

More states more shmates. Oooh, Alaska and North Dakota!!! Big wins!

California, how did he there?

Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it.

[thevoiceofreason]

59. Bobo

You forget that whoever the democrat is, they will win Cali. Having a chance in N.Dak, Ga, etc? That's a real advantage.

Lay off the meth, baby.

[Bo Bike]

62. TheThe!

So if Hillary had got the repug crossover like Obama did, would she win those states in the fall? I think not. The repugs are crossing over to vote for Obama because that’s who they want to go against this fall; he is an easier target for them.

Wake up and smell the LSD!

[boricua79]

64. it was close in California

so he's going to get a lot of delegates too.

anyway, I'm kinda tired of fighting this dumb issue on DU. Bye.

[Raffi Ella]

52. .

I can only hope that you're right and that substance will indeed win out in the end.Hillary is the Woman for The Times and I too believe after last nights races the country is voting with their heads and not just their hearts.This is too important a time and too important a position to give it to someone like Barack Obama.

If it goes to convention and the Party ends up deciding this for us I can only imagine that that truth will prevail and Hillary Clinton will be our Nominee.

[themaguffin]

60. He is not running to be First Lady - she wins that hands down

[OneBlueSky]

61. Obama is all sizzle and no steak . . . and Hillary is all warmed over chopped meat . . .

what's a conscientious Democrat who wants real change to do? . . .

[cascadiance]

63. So does this imply that Hillary has more substance? NOOOOO!!! That's why I stick with Edwards...

... now for the time being. If he starts putting more substance in his campaign, then he'll have her beat in both style and substance.

[crawfish]

65. Just keep you hands over your ears, yelling "la la la la"

Obama wasn't expected to be even close, much less come out ahead. He's got some serious momentum right now.

Lack of substance > wrong substance.

[AGirl]

66. kick

[AGirl]

67. kick

[AGirl]

68. kick

[AGirl]

70. kick

[HCE SuiGeneris]

71. Are you having an epileptic fit?

Or, do you just like to see your name on the board? :eyes:

[ShadowLiberal]

72. People who favor Hillary are more likely to support her from Bill, rather then for who Hil/Obama are