Michigan And Florida Should Just Revote

[DemocratSinceBirth]

The Democrats need to be pro active...

Why create a problem when you can avoid a problem...

[thevoiceofreason]

1. Or hold caucuses!

[Bucky]

35. Caucuses would be much cheaper and could be organized in very little time.

But I'm sure both the states and the two state parties have rules governing what they can & can't do.

[Captain Hilts]

2. And the states that had the killer tornadoes yesterday also. nt

[Buzz Clik]

3. Agreed. No sense telling these people that they are irrelevant this year.

However, seating them without a proper primary/caucus would be a sham.

[ursi]

5. They should only be seated to vote on resolutions ...they had their chance ...

they need new legislators in their state to change the laws.

[cyclezealot]

12. maybe many Mich Democrats don't want to.

Its not as if we all start out on an equal footing. Favorite candidates eliminated by other states. Act as if we have an equal vote. Can't vote for who we really want, why bother.

[flyarm]

4. fuck that..my candidate was in it when the vote was taken..and he was the only one who

didn't cheat or game the system..fuck that!


fly

[BootinUp]

9. interesting point. nt

[flyarm]

18. i'll file a lawsuit over that!! that is disenfranchising my vote on Jan29th! eom

[SIMPLYB1980]

6. Sorry Hillary already won those.

[Big Blue Marble]

16. No she did not,

In Michigan, Obama's name was not on the ballot. There is no way in a close delegate count
that Obama will accept the Michigan and Florida vote as it stands.

The only fair thing is a redo.

[flyarm]

20. no re-do another candidate was in those races! Edwards..so fuck the re-do bullshit! eom

[flyarm]

7. fuck no!..MY CANDIDATE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO DIDN'T CHEAT OR GAME THE SYSTEM..

now he was strong armed out of the race..fuck no ..he was in that election and vote..so fuck Hillary and obama..

they both cheated the system ...so fuck them now!

fly

[Windy]

14. Edwards did get screwed by this decision, but Obama didn't cheat. that is not factual. nt

[flyarm]

22. bullshit..in sept he told voters he would seat delegates against the rules comittee

decision in August..so bullshit he didn't cheat..total bullshit!

fly

[joshcryer]

25. It's not against the rules comittee, at the DNC resolutions can be made up on the fly.

Just so we're clear, voting to have them seated is perfectly within the realm of possiblity, those delegates just have no say until they're seated.

[flyarm]

32. bullshit..there were other candidates in those elections..that are no longer active...

i as a declared delegate for Edwards would file a lawsuit against the DNC if they do a re-do ..and exclude my possibility to be seated as an Edwards delegate!

fly a 2004 dem delegate for the state of Fla.

[joshcryer]

38. Your vote still counts at the DNC. Please by all means make it count!

Don't pretend, if you really are a delegate, that you can't be told by Edwards to make some interesting votes at the DNC!

[joshcryer]

8. Why? They get a doover for breaking party rules? That's BS. They should take their punishment.

They'll be seated, so it doesn't matter.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. What If Those Delegates Put Hillary Over The Top?

Regardless of how I feel that would rip the party apart...

[joshcryer]

17. They won't, and if it came that close you're looking at a brokered convention.

God why won't Obama supporters STFU about something they clearly know nothing about.

[JVS]

30. DSB is no obama supporter

[joshcryer]

33. I don't care, I have seen half a dozen posts about FL and MI this morning, most by Obama supporters.

[flyarm]

36. they are dreaming..all pure fantasy!!..eom

[Auntie Bush]

40. Congratulations! This post is a first for you...

no cursing! Wow!

[goldcanyonaz]

10. Who would pay for this? Michigan is BROKE.

[sandyj999]

27. Yes We Are!! n/t

[Windy]

13. As an Obama supporter and Michigan resident, I agree wholeheartedly.

That is the ONLY way it will be a fair contest.
I doubt the Michigan can afford that though. We have been devasted by job outsourcing here thanks to Nafta. Our state is broke!!!!

[no name no slogan]

55. The party would pay for it

It's a party event, so the party would have to foot the bill.

[marlakay]

15. Totally agree revote

if you don't then expect a huge uproar....

[flyarm]

23. never i will sue to keep it from happening! eom

[flyarm]

24. there were three candidates in the running when these states had their election

this is disenfranchisement of the voters who voted for Edwards..i will put together a class action against the states if they do a re do!!

oh and the DNC is very aware of that!!

fly

[BattyDem]

19. I agree.

To seat those delegates under the current circumstances would be unfair. Michigan didn't even have a choice of candidates on their ballot!

[Mass]

21. Surprisingly, I agree with you.\nt

[Strelnikov_]

26. If it comes down to these two states, agree.

The DNC should fund the final winner take all cage match in these two states.

[flyarm]

29. won't happen the lawsuits will fly.. like our seagulls near a fishing boat in Fla!!

all over the place!!

fly..a 2004 dem delegate for the state of Fla

[Strelnikov_]

37. Then the general will be handed to McCain

Because if the Clintons win by claiming the MI & FL delegates, we will see massive numbers of voters sitting out November.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. Or If Clinton Loses Because MI And FL Votes Didn't Count

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[JVS]

28. They can... in 2012

They had their chance this year. They fucked up.

[cyclezealot]

43. MI and FL will again be outvoted in 2012` `by the small states

as they were four years ago. it's either accept a permament screwing either way.

[JVS]

44. Then they have to come to an agreement with the DNC, they can't just toss the rules aside.

[cyclezealot]

47. I am so offended by having NH, IA

eliminating my choices. Don't care if Michiganians get to vote in a primary or not. My candidate was eliminated , anyway.or don't care if Michiganians go to Denver or not, either. Don't appreciate our electoral votes, so be it.

[cyclezealot]

48. just checked in with the Michigan media and Legislature

I see no sign of anyway wanting to find a solution . Not from within Michigan. It's up to the DNC. Don't want us there, then we won't be there. Have it your way. As for Florida, so many Fla Democrats are furious with the DNC, ( polls have shown) that like 20% won't vote Democratic come November.

[JVS]

50. And that attitude is why the DNC must hold strong. If they cave to pressure now, there will be...

anarchy. Eventually the citizens of Michigan and Florida will see that their state party leaders are not doing them any favors by these shenanigans.

[cyclezealot]

52. the only way to get change is to force it

Fla polls show lots of angry Democrats are behind their party leaders. Since our votes are rigged by New Hampshire, Iowa and corrupt money; I don't see what me missed out on by not voting anyway. All Denver is , is a big party anyway. Its not as if our primary system is representative of voters views anyway. / Don't know why outsiders want to butt in on Michigan's business. We don't go , so what. People are getting bored with this long drawn out line up of state primaries; which no candidate can any longer afford. And seems the special interests are beginning to not want to finance the farce . Money and sucking up to the media is the mothers milk; not our votes.

[JVS]

53. If you want to force it, I'm glad the DNC is laying the smack down

[cyclezealot]

54. They don't have the smarts of the RNC

when they only stripped 1/2 of Florida's, Michigan's, and Wyoming's GOP delegates; then it is ok with lots of Michigan Democrats. No one in Michigan is begging pretty please to let us in. If self interest does not prevail at the DNC, then Democrats loosing Michigan and Florida electoral vote's, might rest on the DNC's shoulders.

[Meshuga]

31. Who is going to pay for it?

I totally agree with you but who is going to pay for a revote? It's a shitty situation that we got ourselves into.

[flyarm]

34. i promise you, i already just called a big time lawyer to look into it..that disenfranchises Edwards

and other candidates voters..to try to do this after our legal election..no i do not believe this would be allowed.

and if they try i will sue!

I was registered as a Edwards delegate...no... a re-do after the real election would bring on thousands upon thousands of lawsuits..me being one of them.

fly

[AtomicKitten]

39. They need to either set up an election wherein the candidates can campaign & revote ... or screw it.

Fair is fair and rules are rules. Otherwise ... The candidates ALL signed onto the DNC plan to strip Florida and Michigan of their votes, and I fully expect Howard Dean to enforce that and not allow the Clintons to try to change the rules in the middle of the game for advantage.

[cyclezealot]

41. So ok

Vengenance is mine. Obama does not get Michigan's 17 electoral votes he won't be elected anyway. Makes you feel better, to hell with Michigan. Mich might not have a voice in Denver, but it will in January come time to count the electoral ballots.

[TheDonkey]

42. They should not have tried to cheat. Probably would have still been able to have a voice

Don't reward cheaters. Sorry FL and MI

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. The Voters Cheated?

This isn't the Army where the whole platoon has to do one hundred push ups because one soldier messed up nor is it a junior varsity basketball team where the whole team can't go home until they sink ten consecutive free throws because one player messed up...

If The DNC had any chops they would have withheld funds from legislators who perpetuated this travesty...

The Dems can not win a campaign without Michigan...If the Dems are losing Michigan they are on their way to losing forty or more states...

[applegrove]

46. I think that is a great idea. Let the two campaign in those two places then

have a revote.

[never_get_over_it]

51. Here's what we do

since everybody was on the ballot in FL on January 29 when we voted - and both Hillary and Barack seemed to if not completely break the rules at least side step them a bit - I say keep Florida like it is and redo MI

The reason I say redo MI is Obama wasn't on the ballot

I for one don't feel like going out to vote again in this farce - OH BUT I WILL - and I'll vote for Hillary this time - just because she is the girl - so there....

This whole fiasco is just another example of what a bunch of dumb asses are running this party

HELLO did anyone think this just might become and issue - MORANS

and great idea to disenfranchise the crap load of voters who did vote and had NOTHING to do with this mess....

[ArkySue]

56. Revote??

They already voted. How many times do they have to vote before you count it? Keep voting til BO comes out ahead?
Blatent BS!

[cyclezealot]

57. DNC Pressuring Florida, Michigan to Hold Caucuses for Delegates

My view . . One chooses not to rsvp, a guest goes to a party on their terms. They can always have their fun without us. . MI/ Fla Dems seem to say no to the DNC pressure. OK with many MI dems.
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Wednesday 06 February 2007

The Democratic National Committee is pressuring Michigan and Florida to hold presidential caucuses so the delegates they lost for holding January primaries could be seated at the national convention, a top Michigan Democrat said Wednesday.

DNC member Debbie Dingell of Michigan said it's unclear whether either state would hold caucuses since they've already held primaries, Michigan on Jan. 15 and Florida on Jan. 29. She said the DNC is asking the states to consider such a plan.

Florida Democratic Party spokesman Mark Bubriski said the party has no intention of holding another election.

"We've said all along that we're going forward with our delegate selection program using the vote on January 29," he said. "We've got more delegate applications than ever."

Michigan Democratic Chairman Mark Brewer said the DNC isn't saying anything it hasn't said before to Michigan and Florida.

"Everybody involved, the candidates, the DNC and we, need to remain open-minded. So if someone comes up with a creative way that meets everyone's interests, we can do that" and get the delegates seated, he said.

DNC spokesman Damien LaVera had no comment.

The stakes are increasingly high as Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton compete for the delegates they need to win the party's presidential nomination, a contest that could stretch to the spring.

The decision could end up being made at the Democratic National Convention in Denver, which makes the question of whether the Michigan and Florida delegates are seated an important strategic point.

Clinton won both states' primaries. Obama was on Florida's ballot but had pulled his name from Michigan's ballot because the state broke DNC rules by moving its primary to Jan. 15. That forced his Michigan supporters to vote for "uncommitted" and hope for a share of the uncommitted delegates.

It's unlikely that Clinton would favor holding caucuses, which could open the door to Obama victories in two states she has won. But there also is pressure to hold some kind of alternative election that meets DNC rules so the states don't have to wait to find out if the delegates will be seated.

Both states were stripped of their delegates for violating DNC rules by holding early primaries. Democratic leaders in both states expect the delegates will be seated at the convention, and Clinton recently said she would ask her delegates to support seating the Michigan and Florida delegations.

So far Obama has not heeded her call to do the same, and it's unlikely he would if it means Clinton would get the larger share of delegates from both states.

Florida has 185 pledged delegates and 25 superdelegates who face not being seated at the convention; Michigan has 128 pledged delegates and 28 superdelegates.

Brewer said he has continued to talk to both campaigns, stressing that Michigan is an important state for either candidate to win in November. Florida officials have said their swing state also could be crucial to a Democrat getting into the White House.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/020708M.shtml

[CyberPieHole]

58. Why? Because Obama lost Florida and he was so stupid as to remove his name in Michigan?

I hope it doesn't come to be. But I hope that the delegates are seated and that the voter's for both states are not dis~enfranchised.

The DNC refused to solve the problem before the vote. Only thing to do now is either seat the delegates or dis~enfranchise the voters and if that happens the party better be prepared to lose those states come November.