Clinton now leading in NM

[MonkeyFunk]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#NM


Clinton 66,173 49% 0
Obama 65,963 48% 0

[MadBadger]

1. I think they have to count 16,000 provisional ballots.

[goodgd_yall]

4. And a few precincts still being counted.

I last saw that 98% of the vote was in.

[stevenleser]

2. Then there needs to be a recount in NM, exit polls show 5% plus win for Obama

Exit polls had Obama and Hillary tied for women at 47% and Obama ahead with men by 53% to 37%

[NJSecularist]

3. More foul play by the Clintons?

Can't say that I am surprised.

[Metric System]

5. Obama wins-=the people have spoken. Hillary wins=foul play

[MonkeyFunk]

6. so predictable

[stevenleser]

7. Dont Pigeonhole me because you dont like what I have to say, here is the link...

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#NMDEM

I would say the same thing if the situation were reversed.

[golddigger]

8. Yep, pretty pathetic I would say. n/t

[stevenleser]

9. See, that is where you and I are different...

I would ask, what is your proof. You can now read it in the link I provided.

If the situation were reversed, I would have called for the same thing (recount).

[leftynyc]

11. Obama supporters are the

biggest fucking crybabies I have ever seen. So in all the states that had Hillary up and Obama won, should we waste the state's money and recount those as well? You people are getting truly disgusting.

[stevenleser]

13. If the exit polls suggest that Hillary should have won, I would support that

even though I am an Obama supporter. Just google my name "Steven Leser" and Ohio. Clean elections have been my obsession since 2000 when I was appointed an observer at the Pinellas County Florida recounts. I left for lunch one fine day and came back to find the place empty with the SCOTUS decision in Bush v Gore nailed to the door.

[TornadoTN]

14. Way to show that "Clinton Spirit"!

Such a great way to show your support for your candidate, since she and her husband like to show their spirit often as well.

Way to go! Keep it up!

Being called Crybabies from Clinton supporters is priceless, it really is. Delicious, delicious irony.

[tammywammy]

17. Excuse me, your broad brush is disgusting

"biggest fucking crybabies" Pathetic.

[leftynyc]

19. You're right and I'm sorry

seeing that NJ person claim dirty tricks AGAIN by the Clintons set me off. That explosion was a long time comming but I should have directed it at the appropriate target. Again, very sorry.

[stevenleser]

20. And at the same time I support you...

My suggestion of a recount in no way implied wrongdoing by anyone. Anyone willing to go off half cocked and suggest so is wrong. But if the count is off from a scienfically collected exit poll, something is wrong. It could be that an election worker made a simple mistake somewhere.

[leftynyc]

21. Isn't there a MOE in exit polls?

What if the race is decided within that margin?

[stevenleser]

22. Yes, BUT...

... if you consider some of the reasons why there is a MOE on before election polls, you see that some of those reasons are no longer present in an exit poll. Consider that pre-election polls have to try to infer who is going to actually show up the polls and in what ratios and which ethnic/gender etc. group is going to support which candidate.

An exit poll has none of those issues and thus the MOE can realistically be expected to be much tighter. That is why when the UN watchdog agencies see a tally off by 5% from an exit poll and that 5% changes the outcome of an election, they are pretty certain that there is either a mistake or fraud at work.

[leftynyc]

30. Are our exit polls scientific?

Who runs them? I was under the impression it was some high school kids with clip boards (not really but you know what I mean)

[stevenleser]

31. They are scientific, but the organization has changed its name a few times

I'm trying to find their methodology statement...

[tammywammy]

23. Thank you

:hi: All is forgiven.

[leftynyc]

26. I appreciate that

Between the superbowl and super tuesday, my nerves are shot. I'm really not prone to anger like that. I'm going to go home, drink some tea (maybe laced with cognac), take a bath and play with my two very fun cats.

[tammywammy]

27. LOL

It's okay, I know how some people are really frustrated here. When someone's egging me on, I just ignore it, that's the only advice I can give to you. :)

[leftynyc]

29. I usually do ignore it

but like I said, nerves are shot and playing that game along side my beloved Giants was EXHAUSTING. Again, thanks for understanding and forgiveness.

[TheDeathadder]

16. foul play??

what is wrong with you?? your talking about a fellow democrat.

[tammywammy]

10. Nonsense

A recount would be ridiculous. It's not winner take all, a recount would be moot. Just like Hillary wouldn't ask for one in Missouri, Obama wouldn't ask for on in New Mexico. Exit Polls can be WRONG.

[stevenleser]

12. Exit polls arent wrong...

... they have been wrong in the US exactly twice. Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004.

Around the world, scientifically conducted exit polls are used by various UN and international agencies to determine if elections were properly conducted (i.e. no fraud, etc). The only place they have been challenged as potentially incorrect? Yep, here in Florida in 2000 (which had Gore up by around 4% and here in Ohio in 2004 where they had Kerry up by around 5%.

[totodeinhere]

15. There is no need for that.

Delegates are awarded proportionally, remember? A few votes one way or the other that could turn up in a recount won't change the delegate count from N. M. It will still be split right down the middle between Clinton and Obama.

[stevenleser]

18. Define "No need"

If you are saying there is "No need" to have one to determine delegate count which is the ultimate issue at hand in determining a nominee, I cannot argue with that.

If you consider, however, that there are bigger issues here where the official count conflicts significantly with a scientifically conducted exit poll, indicating that there are problems with the way NM conducted their election, that is another story. That needs to be fixed before the general election. Whatever was screwed up needs to be fixed and a recount is the best way to figure out what that was.

[adapa]

24. 3 hour waits past poll closing & many thousands of vote are up in the air

Wednesday, February 6, 2008

Clinton-Obama Count Continues

By Jeff Jones and Leslie Linthicum
Journal Staff Writers
Fewer than 120 votes separated Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in New Mexico's Democratic presidential caucus early this morning and the race will be decided by thousands of provisional ballots being tallied beginning today.
Clinton had 65,845 votes to Obama's 65,728 votes with complete but unofficial results from 31 counties and incomplete tallies from two counties at 1 a.m. today.
The totals did not include more than 16,000 provisional ballots that state Democratic Party workers will begin going through one at a time today.
Provisional ballots are ballots given to people who did not vote at their designated caucus sites and whose names could not be located on polling rolls in the Democratic Party-run presidential caucus.
Clinton won most of the counties, but Obama took Santa Fe County by a large margin and won Bernalillo County.
The vote count came slowly in part because the turnout took party officials by surprise.
About 50 Clinton supporters gathered at the Garduño's on the Green near Balloon Fiesta Park in Albuquerque on Tuesday, but the party ended without a winner.
Lt. Gov. Diane Denish decided to leave around 11:15 p.m., predicting that the results were "going to trickle in."
"I'm heartened by the fact she's done well in the smaller areas," said Denish, chairwoman of Clinton's New Mexico campaign.
The Obama party at the Santa Fe Hilton broke up about 10:30 p.m. It wasn't because of the delay in vote totals; it was because the campaign had to return rented audiovisual equipment it was using to show results on a big screen.
"It's a good night for Sen. Obama," Rep. Al Park of Albuquerque said, nonetheless.

Long waits
There were still voters in line in some polling places at 9 p.m. in New Mexico's Democratic presidential caucus— two hours after the polls were to close— and vote counts were just beginning to trickle in at 10 p.m.
<snip>
Exceeding expectations
State Democratic Party Chairman Brian Colón said the party was overwhelmed with its voter turnout Tuesday.
Although he had earlier predicted a turnout of 30,000 to 40,000, he said the party prepared "to have 150,000 people participate in this caucus— and it appears we might have exceeded that."
If 150,000 ballots were cast, it would be a 50 percent increase from the party's 2004 Democratic presidential caucus, when 104,000 votes were cast.
All across the state Tuesday, Democrats braved snow, cold and long lines to vote."
http://www.abqjournal.com/news/state/283001nm02-06-08.htm

Aside from the 16,000 + provisional ballots, there's a few districts that haven't reported yet due to 'issues'
This might have been resolved it the last few hours- I can't seem to find the link I was looking at for this information. But, apparently a person incharge couldn't be reached- + voters from 2 different districts voting at the same polling place, data messed up--
it would *suck* being one of the NM people in charge of voting etc.

eta link
http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/06/new-mexico-democratic-primary-too-close-to-call-early-wednesday/

[book_worm]

25. No matter what even if Clinton eeks out a victory Obama closed the polls by 20-pts

and split the state. A Obama win!

[adapa]

28. you're not concerned about democratic voters waiting for 3 hours?

you're not concerned about tens of thousands of votes that are in limbo land?

Your attitude does not bode well for the general