Exit Polling in CA and NY: Gay Voters

[mondo joe]

From The Advocate, via Queerty:

The exit polling found that among the 4% of California voters who identified as GLB, 63% voted for Clinton, 29% for Obama, and 1% for Edwards. In New York, 7% of voters self-identified as GLB and 59% voted for Clinton, 36% for Obama, and 3% for Edwards.

New York and California were the only states in which this question was asked. The results show that the GLB electorate didn’t move much from where they were last fall in Hunter College’s national polling of the community, when likely GLB voters preferred Clinton by 63%, Obama’s by 22% and Edwards at 7%.

http://www.queerty.com/homos-still-love-hillary-20080206/

[jlake]

1. I'm surprised Homophobama pulled that many - but it's about in line with

what the Republicans get.

Edit to add link since some don't believe it: GWB pulled 23% in 2000 & 2004
http://www.washblade.com/blog/index.cfm?blog_id=155

[chascarrillo]

9. Keep hate alive!

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. You do! n/t

[jlake]

13. I know Obama's trying.

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[jakem]

20. get a clue.

The McClurkin episode, unfortunate as it was, pales in comparison to the divisiveness that Senator Clinton has allowed her campaign to devolve into. Her comparison between the roles played by Dr. King and President Lyndon Johnson in advancing civil rights can be chalked up to inartfulness. The comments coming from her surrogates are far more disturbing, forming a pattern that sadly can no longer be ignored.


http://gaycitynews.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19249408&BRD=2729&PAG=461&dept_id=568864&rfi=6

[jlake]

22. Sorry. I'm not buying that spin.

[mondo joe]

29. That's one editorial. The author has an opinion. But I don't share it, and

I don't find it to be a broad reflection of gay opinion.

[jakem]

33. it was an endorsement actually.

from the GayCityNews in NY.

Seemed relevant given the topic.

[mondo joe]

34. Um, yes. Aren't publication endorsements editorial?

I'm not arguing with your post.

At any rate - I think we mean the same thing by editorial and endorsement.

:hi:

[Lucinda]

38. Who owns the paper?

[TankLV]

48. Sorry - the TRUTH bites, doesn't it!!!

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[Metric System]

52. A history lesson for you courtesy of Bill Moyers:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/064146.php

[Leopolds Ghost]

64. Don't you know, Clinton supporters racism isn't as relevant as black churchgoers religious attitudes

about whether "homosexuality is a sin".

[chascarrillo]

31. Harry Lee!

Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee! Harry Lee!

[Bluebear]

18. Spammer.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

71. are you saying that to the gays or to donne mcclurkin?

[mondo joe]

11. I don't like the name calling, personally.

I've slipped and done it a few times too, but I'm trying not to.

[Iceburg]

63. It surprises me too ... in my circles its 10:1 for Hillary

presumably the closet holds the truth.

[slick8790]

2. I think it's absurd to make any conclusions based on this data.

Two states, both which went by double digits for clinton, are naturally going to have a high percentage of gays voting for her. One of them is her home state, which in my view invalidates it completely. I'm sure Obama would win GLBT voters in Illinois by similar margins.

[TheDonkey]

5. ding ding

well said. BS poll and the advocate should feel ashamed for releasing this like it is relevant news.

[mondo joe]

14. What do you think is a BS poll? The exit polling or the Hunter College national survey?

[Bluebear]

17. Ah, why should The Advocate be ashamed for releasing this?

[Sapphocrat]

40. If you're not gay...

...and if you are an Obama supporter, it's clear you would reject the piece as irrelevant.

It's quite relevant to me.

[jlake]

7. Maybe the fact that those states have large gay populations is what

helped Hillary.

[slick8790]

19. Entirely possible.

But with such limited data, it's irresponsible to assume that. It's a question of correlation versus causation.

[mondo joe]

25. If these didn't reflect the national survey, I'd be more likely to agree.

The national survey demographics don't appear to give a geographic breakdown.

My inclination is to expect gays to be more like other gays, than like their hetero geographic peers, broadly speaking.

But that's just a hunch.

[mondo joe]

10. Could be. But if you look at the Hunter College national polling

from November - http://www1.cuny.edu/forum/?p=1881 - the results show Clinton getting 63% of the gay vote.

It's certainly possible that those numbers have moved since then.

It's certainly possible that gays vote more like their states generally do.

It's also possible that the gay vote may not reflect the state.

[slick8790]

21. I think any polling pre-January is inherently out-of-whack.

So much has changed that no one should trust those.

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[jlake]

6. Here's a link. GWB got 23% in both elections.

http://www.washblade.com/blog/index.cfm?blog_id=155

[Bluebear]

26. Which poster is "lying"?

[jlake]

35. Before it was deleted, he was accusing me (post #1) of lying.

[mondo joe]

36. Ah. Thank you. NT

[mondo joe]

28. Which poster are you accusing of lying?

[TheDonkey]

4. Useless polling since it only taps HC states anyway. No insight into American GLB

and only 4% of CA voters identified as GLB? BS

[Bread and Circus]

8. The real telling part of that is the %ages didn't change. They

essentially already had their minds made up.

Most people that support Clinton already have. She doesn't poll much different than she has for years. She's kind of failed to rally any support beyond her "core". Kerry had the nomination sewn up by now and he started way behind where Clinton was four years ago as she used to beat him in straw polls.

I have to ask, why can't Hillary get people to convert for her?

[Sapphocrat]

41. Wrong again.

I'm weary of the whole "All gays are voting for Hillary anyway!" thing. That's a bullshit response designed to diminish the gay voting bloc -- which (surprise!) doesn't mean shit unless we become the easy scapegoat when the Dems lose an election.

I was converted to Hillary. Obama -- who scared the fuck out of me, as a gay person -- is to thank for driving me into the HRC camp.

Fuck that whole "They essentially already had their minds made up" mantra. It is not true for all of us, and I'm sick to death of Obama supporters writing off gay HRC supporters with it.

Find another route to attacking us, will you?

[NMMNG]

44. Same here

Obama drove me to HRC. A year ago I wouldn't have considered voting for HRC but now I'm gladly supporting her and have cast my vote for her in the primary. Obama's incessant pandering to evangelicals and homophobes, lack of any defined goals (Hoping for Change isn't going to get you anywhere) and downright scary supporters has turned me into a staunch "Queer for Hillary".

[mondo joe]

46. Same here. I would, at one time, have gladly voted for 0bama. 0bama changed that.

I wasn't born supporting Hillary.

[TankLV]

49. same here too - my sentiments exactly...

you fuck with us, you pay the price...

obama and his bots fuck with us REPEATEDLY...

they can all go to hell as far as I'm concerned...

[Leopolds Ghost]

65. In other words, you'd rather lose to a Republican than win by appealing to the black church.

Which is of course why whites and gays abandoned the black civil rights
movement to start their own instead of trying to find common ground.
Because they believe there can be no common ground with Christians
especially the black church.

[mondo joe]

66. If homophobes have power, I don't see how gays win at all.

I don't care about the color or religion of people who harm my family.

[Leopolds Ghost]

67. So the black civil rights movement should not be allowed to have power

because some black ministers are homophobes?

[mondo joe]

68. To which black civil rights movement do you refer?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

72. i am not white. i just think pandering to homophobes is wrong.

there are black gays too.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

70. wrong. i like hillary but was open to change till mcclurkin happened.

[BigDDem]

15. Guess they should have drug Melissa Ethridge

on stage with Maria Shriver, Oprah, Caroline Kennedy et al

:rofl:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

16. kick

[DrFunkenstein]

23. Two Snaps For Hillary

One way or another, she could become the next Dusty Springfield.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. It's Sad To See A Member Of One Non-Majority Group

It's sad to see a member of one non-majority group take a shot at another non-majority group but I'm sure it makes The Man happy...

[orleans]

24. "free of an agenda. except that gay one" hysterical! i love it. n/t

[mondo joe]

27. More from the Hunter College National Survey:

When asked to prioritize election issues from a set NOT including GLB rights, the top three were:

Economy & jobs - 23.2%
Healthcare - 22.6%
Iraq - 21.9%

When asked to rank the same list but including GLB rights:

LGB rights - 20.9%
Economy & jobs - 18.5%
Healthcare - 16.3%


Economy & jobs - 23.2%
Healthcare - 22.6%

[Elspeth]

30. The Edwards voters moved to Obama

Interesting

[mondo joe]

32. Not necessarily. The survey was national - the NY and CA demographics

may have been somewhat different to begin with. Or maybe not - I just don't have a way to know.

[bigwillq]

37. Thanks for those stats.

Most of the gay people I know voted for Clinton. Which isn't all that many in the grand scheme of things but still interesting nonetheless.

[mondo joe]

39. Welcome!

[rox63]

42. Two things people may have forgotten from the last Clinton administration

DOMA and Don't Ask Don't Tell.

[NMMNG]

43. Republican Controlled Congress

Contract With America


Two more things people seem to forget.

[mondo joe]

45. It's quite patronizing to tell GLBT people we may have forgotten those things.

Just so you know.

[rox63]

54. As a member of the GLBT community, I don't consider it patronizing at all

Just a couple of facts. Clinton came into office promising to give equal status to GLBT people in the military. Instead, he gave us Don't Ask, Don't Tell. And he gave us DOMA, which is a thorn in the side of the equal-marriage movement across the country. Bill Clinton advised Senator Kerry to endorse some of the state bans on same-sex marriage back in 2004. Thank goodness he had the sense to refuse that advice. And Bill would be Prez Hillary's closest advisor. Is that what you really want?

[mondo joe]

62. If you think these are simply forgotten, you're mistaken.

They are understood in the context of what happened, and when it happened.

If you really want me to answer your specific questions, I will be happy to do so. But in the end I suspect what we've got is a difference of opinion about what those things mean.

But rest assured - they are not forgotten. As a GLBT person, I don't know how you could suggest otherwise.

[TankLV]

50. And you just proved you don't know SHIT...

It's been explained to you idiots many times before, but you refuse to learn...

WE know it ALL - IN DETAIL, unlike what you're trying to spew...

The Clintons are the best friend to gay persons EVER - unlike obama and his REPEATED pandering of BIGOTS and throwing us under the buses...

[terrya]

57. Colin Powell was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

He told Clinton point blank that the Joint Chiefs of Staff would resign enmasse if the ban on gays and lesbians was lifted. I doubt if any President wouldn't have buckled under that kind of pressure.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

69. we may remember DOMA and DADT better than most people

[TankLV]

47. Gays are NOT stupid - why support someone who REPEATEDLY features BIGOTS?!?!

like obama has and does!!!

It's not rocket science people...

[AGirl]

51. why didnt they ask Trans people. DUMB.

[NMMNG]

58. They should have

Sadly the fact that they even asked GLB voters (in a mere two states) is considered progress. :-(

[robbedvoter]

53. It's the Clenis - oops - Gavin Newsom's fault! This is a savvy electorate.

[Iceburg]

56. K&R /nt

[Perry Logan]

59. So, in supporting the evil Hillary, are gays being stupid or sleazy?

[rox63]

60. Not at all

I don't see why we can't accept that we have two fantastic candidates, and either one of them would be miles ahead of any rethug. We all have our preferences, but the policy differences between them are not that big. I prefer Obama, you prefer Clinton. What's so horrible about that? The members of each group of supporters are enthusiastic, but trashing the other side with accusations like this will accomplish nothing positive.

[Iceburg]

61. Embrace 'em then cure 'em VS. I love you just the way you are and "I want to be your president"

The gay community comprises > 7% of the voting public. But the 7% does not reflect their immediate influence -- brothers, sisters,parents, grandparents, children, cousins and friends who may not be gay but sympathize strongly with the GLBT community because of their personal connection.

It is beyond profoundly insulting for Obama to hire and parade around the country an ex-gay minister who claims to be able to cure gays with his gay-be-gone program. Obama's message: Don't hate the gays -- embrace them, for they are sick -- but we have the cure!.
I ask each of you to imagine -- during the heat of the black civil rights movement one of the politicians offering to de-colorize your skin. How would it feel? It hurts, hurts deeply....

I don't want to be de-gayed.
I want my president to accept me just the way I am.
I want my president to fight for me and fight for my rights.
I want my dignity, I don't want to be de-gayed.

Going beyond cures...

I found this beautiful letter at Our Chart, one of the more popular GLBT web sites (thanks to the L-word)

open letter published at Our Chart

A Message to LGBT Americans: “I Want to be Your President”

February 4, 2008 - 12:52pm — editor
On the eve of Super Tuesday, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton offers up a message of support for the LGBT community. Read the New York Senator's guest post below.

By Senator Hillary Clinton

As I have traveled around the country these past twelve months, what I sensed in my heart has been confirmed – America is embracing its LGBT sons and daughters with an acceptance and understanding as never before. On the campaign trail, a father of a gay son will ask about ending Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. A woman will ask why she can be discriminated against just because of who she is. Sometimes they wait furtively for the crowd to thin and then whisper their confidences in a soft voice and sometimes they stand up proudly at town meetings and want me to share my views on how I will help lead the change to assure that this country fulfills its promise to everyone.

Let me tell you what I have been telling voters across America. I am fully committed to the fair and equal treatment of LGBT Americans. For seven long years, the Bush Administration has tried to divide us - only seeing people who matter to them. It's been a government of the few, by the few, and for the few. And no community has been more invisible to this administration than the LGBT community.

I will change that. The best evidence of what I will do as President is what I have already done.
...

My father was a conservative Republican, who held very traditional views for much of his life. Yet in his last years, it was a gay couple who lived next door who provided much of the compassion and comfort he and my mother needed as he grew ill. And it was that same neighbor who held his hand as he died. If my father can move, America can move.

To each and every LGBT American, I say this. You have done so much to help this country understand your lives by simply being open and honest about who you are and living your lives with dignity. Thank you for your courage. It is time that we recognize your hard work. I know that this country is ready for changes in the law that reflect the evolution in our hearts.

America deserves a President who appeals to the best in each of us, not the worst; a President who values and respects all Americans and treats all Americans equally no matter who they are or who they love. I want to be that President. I want to be your President.

whole letter
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LUV YA HILLARY ...AND I REALLY DO MEAN IT!