Obama says GOP will have dirt on Clinton

[DemGa]

The Clinton "attacks" are nothing compared to the waiting right-wing smear machine, which is at this point silent. Mr. Unity speaks:

"I assure you that having engaged in a contest against them for the last year that they've pulled out all the stops. And you know I think what is absolutely true is whoever the Democratic nominee is the Republicans will go after them. The notion that somehow Senator Clinton is going to be immune from attack or there's not a whole dump truck they can't back up in a match between her and John McCain is just not true."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080206/ap_on_el_pr/obama

[russian33]

1. the difference is, it will be all recycled crap, that she's been thru

Clintons been investigated for what, like 20 years now? so any dirt has been dug up already

now Mr.Unity is in for one hell of a rude awakening, if he gets nominated

[Yael]

13. There are a whole host of ethical questions that have been raised

starting in 2000. There is even a movie out detailing all of them.

Dump trucks will be the starting point.

[polpilot]

80. Dump trucks, trainloads, planeloads,

etc. etc. etc.

[Cant trust em]

17. Old dirt, new dirt, Republicans don't care

Anything they can use to bash Hillary Clinton is fun for the GOP die hards. They can rehash Vince Foster or Gennifer Flowers. Their followers will eat it up with a knife and fork.

[YOY]

61. People have short term memories

Old crap may be taken as fresh new crap when spun right.

[Capn Sunshine]

76. OH REALLY?

You think the Clintons stopped behaving , well, like the Clintons, when Bill left office? That nothing questionable has passed since then?

Oh boy, are YOU naive.

[Mags]

2. I'd say there is dirt out there on him and we will get to see it.

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

5. Rezko, Jerimiah Wright, to name a two.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

35. RFBF

To name one.

[ProSense]

3. He's right! Obama, on the other hand, is "Clinton-tested" using their Rovian tactics and

they been shooting themselves in the foot.

[dmallind]

14. If you honestly think for a second Clinton's "attacks" are even 5%

of what Scaife and the Swiftboaters and Fox and Drudge and Limbaugh will do to him then you are nuts.

[ProSense]

21. No, I was thinking more along

this line.

[dmallind]

31. I don;t open non identfied links - if you have any NEW Clinton smears let me know

[blm]

23. You mean like Clinton WAS impeached? And WH was trashed lie lasted for HOW long?

And Clinton wasn't tough on terror meme lasted HOW MANY YEARS?

Why do you think Clinton kept her head low and never stood up to oppose Bush the last 7years? Why do you think Bill publicly supported and defended Bush for years on Bush's terrorism and Iraq war decisions?

[dmallind]

34. Yes - I mean already digested and discarded shit like that. Exactly.

[blm]

47. Not the point. They DO get trapped in BS for months and years. RW can INVENT

something new and it will stick for months.

And with Bill's appetite for sex and power, let's not pretend there is nothing possible on those grounds that actually turns out to be true.

My beef with Clintons is that they protect the Bushes - always have and always will. Maybe McCain knows more about THAT aspect than many Dems do - and maybe he could smear both Clinton AND Bush to attract the Independent vote and his 'maverick' appeal.

Point is that hanging your hat on Clintons being fully vetted is a joke - an absurd joke.

[dmallind]

55. But this is a realtive question

Given the masses' craving for novelty and the complete and utter absence of RW attacks on Obama so far, which is more likely to capture the public interest and shift opinions - the fact that yep Bill is still a horndog after 16 years plus a mishmash of travelgate and Vince Foster rehashes, or the whole Muslim/coke fiend/Afrocentric church/Rezko crap that only the political mavens have dug into yet?

[blm]

59. You pretend there isn't anything NEW.

I have deep connections to both NYC and LA. If I have heard some stories, then no doubt they are being collected by those who REALLY will use them when the time comes for the general election.

[dmallind]

68. So your thought is...

....that even though the RW have displayed a ravenous appetite for anti-Clinton screed for nigh on two decades, and even though many of those who feed that appetite are outside the party structure, there is somehow a shared restraint and patience that has avoided letting anybody know about this just in case she wins the nomination so they can use it then?

And that even if this impressive teamwork is true, it is something worse than can be done to someone who has never been smeared in the first place?

[blm]

72. We'll see. One thing for certain, McCain likely won't restrain himself on Clinton-Bush

matters if he has the spotlight and the goods. He feels no loyalty to either.

[AntiFascist]

69. I'm curious, what is it about Vince Foster that makes this case so interesting?

Certainly there's much more to it than the possibility of Hillary having someone killed? Has anyone ever really gotten to the bottom of what makes this death so interesting? Don't tell me this is about Whitewater or something as trivial as that.

[dmallind]

70. Nah I think you hit it - it's the ability, even at maximum stretch,.

to link HRC to a "murder" that makes it irresistible to the nutcases.

Having said that, it's the same kind of loon that thinks Bush brought down Wellstone's plane. The right has no copyright on loons I'm sad to say.

[Straight Shooter]

39. Barack not even voting on Kyl/Lieberman is evidence he isn't "tough on terror."

He did not even bother to vote. Neither did McCain, for that matter. The most offensive language, to the best of my knowledge, was stripped from it.

If the terrorism issue raises its ugly head, Barack and McCain will have to slug it out on their records, and I'm guessing McCain will fall more in line with what voters want in that area. They'll "trust" the seasoned war hero if it's toe-to-toe with Barack. If Hillary goes against McCain, he's got a huge handicap by not voting for Kyl/Lieberman, since the bush administration has been rattling sabers with Iran for quite some time now.

I don't know why McCain didn't show up to vote. Nor do I know why Barack didn't. But it's something to consider.

[rodeodance]

25. No O, is not right--He is either lying or naive--take your pick.

The notion that somehow Senator Clinton is going to be immune from attack or there's not a whole dump truck they can't back up in a match between her and John McCain is just not true."

[ProSense]

32. No, he's right! Denial doesn't change that. n/t

[Dogmudgeon]

51. That's irony, isn't it?

I'd know it anywhere!

--p!

[rodeodance]

54. Ha HA. I have not been drinking the kook-aid that the obamacampers has served up.

[jakem]

4. all it may take...

Hillary-care.

[still_one]

6. The fact is we will relive the whole Arkansas project all over again

If the Clinton campaign does not plan for that, then they would have dropped the ball

[Birthmark]

7. Obama has convinced me...

...to not vote for him. For anything. Ever.

[SammyWinstonJack]

43. Same here.

[judaspriestess]

44. then you are just a lousy American

as I have been accused of and all the other non Obama suckups have been accused of. :crazy:

[Birthmark]

49. No, I'm a good American...

...but I'm terrible at sucking up. It's made life interesting. :)

[dmallind]

8. Except nobody says that

I know of absolutely no-one who claims the RW will not attack Hillary with constant ferocity. The big difference is they already have. That's why her negatives are so high. That's the big realpolitik gamble and the biggest dilemma I see in choosing between the two - it all comes down to whether being the sole target of RW smearers will increase Obama's negatives to a level below, at, or above Clinton's "presmeared" level.

[goodgd_yall]

15. That's what I was thinking. n/t

[rodeodance]

22. Obama is outright lying as he knows better.

[dmallind]

28. Well I wouldn't go that far either

This is politics. He wants to win. I'm sure HRC doesn't REALLY think Obama is completely unprepared for RW attacks either - it's not like the guy's a dunce. He's spinning just like she is, and that's all fine and good.

[rodeodance]

38. I seldom use that word--usually I use misquided or something like that-in fact

I seriouly thought about whether to post that word. In this case it fits.

[Mz Pip]

64. Uh huh sure

The RW won't bother to bring up old shit since it's already out there. They'll play fair and nice.

There have been 7 years since the Clinton's left the White HOuse and I have no doubt that the smear machine is turning over every rock and will use inuendo, lies and old news to smear the Clinton's once again.

Obama isn't lying. IT's unfortunate you would call Obama a liar for pointing out the obvious.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Whisp]

26. I think the Pugs want to sit this one out tho - to lose this one

that's why they have their lacklustre lineup.
John McCain? you have to be shittin' me.

and Rush Limbaugh hates that 'liberal' so much he's voting for Hillary.?

yah, sure.

It's a set up.

[dmallind]

37. It's possible but I don;t think even Rove is THAT good. NT

[jody]

9. And if the GOP can't find any, Obama will make up some dirt. n/t

[TheDeathadder]

10. don't let that be a reason to vote for someone

as if they have dirt on Clinton then they'll have dirt on Obama, as every election they find dirt on everyone. Vote on strength and not on fear.

[incapsulated]

11. I know what they have on Clinton. Obama hasn't even been vetted

On his public record before the voting started. The media was too busy bashing the Clintons and sucking his dick.

This will all change in the GE if he gets the nom and then we will see what a bitch reality can be.

His book alone is a treasure trove of potential attacks.

You know, the stuff he screamed like a child over if a dem mentioned it.

The repukes won't give a shit. They don't care about being called racists either because, newsflash: they don't get the black vote anyway.

They will rip him to shreds and when he starts the whining and crying, they will call him weak and wimpy and they will be right.

I haven't even mentioned how much of a son of a bitch McCain is.

[rodeodance]

41. media has plaed the kid glove apprach with him--but the Repugs will not play that game.

[EFerrari]

12. Well, duh, Captain Obvious. lol

The GOP will go after whoever our Dem candidate it but the Clintons have given them a library of material to choose from.

[Yael]

18. And sealed records stored within

Speculation will abound...

[AlCzervik]

16. Gop will be mining and then unloading dirt on whoever our nominee is, i suggest

we throw it all at McCain, none of this "We above that kind of politics" business, nah uh, not this time.

[rodeodance]

19. Where did he get the stupid idea that HRC is immune!!--more FEAR rhetoric from Obama

The notion that somehow Senator Clinton is going to be immune from attack or there's not a whole dump truck they can't back up in a match between her and John McCain is just not true."

[no name no slogan]

20. They have dirt on EVERYBODY

we could nominate Mother Theresa and they'd still smear the hell out of her for living in a house with a bunch of abandoned children.

[Cameron27]

24. God, I used to like him,

now I'll have to hold my nose if I ever have vote for him.

[incapsulated]

27. Me too

I've never felt this kind of animosity for a potential nominee.

:\

[rodeodance]

29. I thougt about that prospect this weekend--and it is first time I will

have to do that. really--all these questions--will you vote for him if nominee --. I has face that question.

[okasha]

66. If it's a Clinton/Obama ticket,

we'll still have to hold the right half of our noses.

[Sensitivity]

30. Lot of rumors that THEY DO and are just waiting for her to win nom

[formernaderite]

33. unfortunately this is true

and I don't think they'll be rehashing all of the old. I've heard whispers even among dems in the know...that there are more contemporary Bill and his lady problems that would come to light. That's all we need, a campaign focused on deflecting bimbo eruptions.

[BlackVelvet04]

56. If they attack about Bill's womanizing

every friggin' woman in this country will vote for Hillary.


Ok,not every, but you get my drift.

[formernaderite]

71. i don't know about that

if it's stuff, which i've heard inklings it is...since she's been senator. She'll look like a dolt for putting up with it. My wife was pretty sympathetic the first time...not based on personal experience mind you...but she pretty much has said...he better be keeping it zipped, or it will look like she has the problem.

[BlackVelvet04]

77. So, it's Hillary's fault if he can't keep it zipped? n/t

[formernaderite]

81. well...i wouldn't place fault

but the public would obviously see her as enabling. Look, if any of the candidates had a spouse that was diddling...people would go nuts...that's the price of celebrity. Bill has set the bar pretty low in this dept...she actually can prob weather more than any of the other candidates, come to think.

[BluegrassDem]

36. Obama is talking about Bill Clinton's mistress, i.e. Bimbo Eruptions

Obama is telling the truth. There's whispers of a new bimbo in Bill's life, and it will come out if Hillary is the nominee. This will guarantee that Hillary won't win.

[flordehinojos]

40. really? what does he know and how does he know who might be fabricating lies against hillary?

i smell a rat!

[incapsulated]

42. His "friends" on the "other side" that he keeps telling us are so fab?

I've heard more shit out of his mouth slamming dems and praising repukes for me to take.

[Seabiscuit]

45. Clinton is not naive, she knows they'll come after her and

you better believe she's ready. I don't know anybody that doesn't expect the Republicans to attack, what a stupid statement from uninformed Barack.

[BlackVelvet04]

46. Is he doing drugs again?

Who has ever indicated that thought Senator Clinton was immune from attack?

[NYCGirl]

53. I've read it here a number of times. That "she's already vetted and all they have

are old smears that have been debunked."

[BlackVelvet04]

58. You read it here?

Oh, God, I've read lots of shit here. You think Obama is talking about D.U. posters?

[NYCGirl]

65. No, I don't think he's talking about us. But there are posters who bring stuff in

that they read in other places, right?

[Neshanic]

48. She will not be immune, but Obama's will be like a book no one has read.

[Whisp]

50. kick.

[zulchzulu]

52. All the Repugs will need to say is two words to get money flowing into their campaign

Those two words: Bill Clinton

[izzybeans]

57. Obama calls sky blue.

Thanks for the insight.

[JimGinPA]

60. I Heard Murdoch Has A Fat File He's Just Waiting To Release

On Bill's most recent "indiscretions".

[Dogmudgeon]

62. What kind of game is Obama playing?

For the past two weeks, it's been whine and attack, whine and attack.

Then he threatens that his "movement" will boycott the election if Hillary is nominated.

His grass-roots talk about hope but ceaselessly trash the Clintons. They recycle all the RW trash they can find, and when they run out of stuff, the call her a liar and mumble about "the Clinton machine".

I find it interesting that two of his constant talking points are how Hillary is divisive, and how she will "say and do anything to win", especially before he makes an attack.

Damned few of his grass-roots people even know what he's voted for. I've heard from Obama backers that he opposes the death penalty, nuclear power, does not believe in God because he's too rational, is pro-gay, is a vegetarian, voted AGAINST the IWR -- anything they WANT to believe about him.

And constantly,

"Hillary lies and cheats!"

"How do you know this?"

"I just know it. Everybody knows it!"

"You mean you don't really know at all?"

"Oh, I know it. It's an instinct. Feelings never lie."

This is a dangerous, dangerous game he is playing. He should know by now that when you run a political campaign as a messianic social movement, your followers WILL go to excess. Every day he continues to talk hope and walk attacks, he pounds in one more nail.

He is sowing the wind; his studies of the Bible should tell him that he stands to reap the whirlwind.

"But Hillary does it, too! I just know it!"

No, she doesn't. Hillary has done some knuckleheaded things in her time, but this.

--p!

[MonkeyFunk]

63. And if Obama's the nominee

Republicans will pelt him with bunnies and rainbows. :eyes:

[BlackVelvet04]

67. You forgot the ponies.....

NEVER FORGET THE PONIES. ;-)

[MonkeyFunk]

73. I think being pelted with a pony

would sorta hurt.

[BlackVelvet04]

78. Yeah, I know.....

:evilgrin:

[okasha]

74. The Republicans are going to have multi-dump-loads of "dirt"

on whoever the Democratic nominee is. If they can't find any new or genuine muck, they'll simply make it up. That's what the Swiftboaters did--one outright lie after another.

[WinkyDink]

75. Nice try, Obama, but you fail "Subtlety 101". You just said there is "dirt" on Hillary,

so put up or shut up.

[Raejeanowl]

79. She's Been Through This Before

They have her "sins" catalogued. They've only just begun to mine for Obama's.