HRC wants more debates, Obama does not, it really is that simple

[madmunchie]

Both are using smart political strategy.

HRC wants more exposure as her funds are low and she is a good debater.

Obama is not into endless debates where the MSM tries to start problems where there aren't any and where they seem to end up being "dog and pony shows" for the most part.

18 Debates are really enough for now.

Obama is better with speeches and conversations. He isn't as rehearsed and "on" as HERC. Watching the debates you could see that Obama's style wasn't mixing it up and playing the games of the moderators and the MSM. HRC is much more adept at that, and that is one of the reason why I prefer Obama over HRC, there is more authenticity to Obama, you can see a real person there as opposed to a well rehearsed political machine. He isn't hidden, he is who he is and that is an inspiring visionary. He sees what could be and speaks to that. I feel his energy, his passion, his intellect and his authenticity. Those characteristics alone will heal many wounds for this nation in this world.

He is the real success story of our Party. He came from nowhere a little more than 1 year ago, a freshman Senator and is electrifying this country and rising to the success w/o the last 3 - 4 years of constant MSM help. Nobody 2 years ago said "Obama" will be the next Democratic Nominee. All of MSM said that HRC was the inevitable Democratic Nominee. Think about that. That in itself should send chills up and down your spine.

A candidate not born from the loins of the MSM and Political Establishment. But a candidate that started with nothing - no real name recognition - no money - no voice, to a candidate that everybody knows, a candidate that has out raised "The Clintons" in 1 years time, from voters, NOT corporations and is bringing tens of thousands to his appearances to hear him speak.....

We are so fucking lucky this guy is a Democrat and NOT a Republican.

[Dogmudgeon]

1. No -- Hillary has an evil agenda. Obama is acting honorably.

See, I saved them all that work.

--p!

[JackORoses]

17. Hillary is broke and needs the advertising, Why should Obama help her?

[VolcanoJen]

23. Yep. Hill is desperate for free airtime. Also, she is not Obama's scheduler.

There will be more debates. But on terms both candidates will agree upon... hopefully running to Fox News won't stay on the table.

[Tellurian]

53. Obama is afraid to debate Hillary... He's afraid the Truth about her Health Care Plan will surface..

and is afraid to face her!

:rofl:

[madmunchie]

54. Would HRC want more debates if she were surging, had tons of money in her campaign

and was checking the incumbent?????? NO!!!!! She would not.

[Tellurian]

55. Obama would...

cuts both ways, darlin'

[madmunchie]

58. I think you missed my point, HRC only wants these debates because she needs them

Obama does not. If HRC were in Obama's shoes right now she would not be STARTING the conversation of more debates.... Who knows what Obama would want, maybe if he needed them, he would be asking for them.

BUT the REMARKABLE thing is that HRC DOES NEED debates to get airtime because of her campaign's diminishing finances and OBAMA dosn't!

[Tellurian]

64. No, I think you're missing the point..

Obama has lied to the public about Hillary's Health Care...

Hillary's money is rolling in as we type after her strong showing last night..

[madmunchie]

67. Then why did she loan her campaign $5M? If her money is rolling in?

Oh, you mean rolling in, like $5M from her own personal finances? Sorry, I just didn't get it.

And don't start about "lies", Lets compare and start with the IWR, and how HRC still supported her vote until after JK was calling for a draw down. Now she says that she didn't know W was going to screw up so badly..... She doesn't talk about her supporting her vote and the war for years after we went into IRAQ....surely she knew what W had done with the IWR by then?

[Tellurian]

69. Why change the subject? We're talking about Campaign donations..

She is raising $3M in 72 hrs..

I sent in my donation a few minutes ago...

[orleans]

2. i think i heard randi mention this--something about free publicity

that hillary's money is running out and debates mean you don't buy airtime

[ursi]

5. free publicity is correct! What more are they going to say that hasn't been said?

[adabfree]

8. Exactly

Why give her what she wants...


I wouldn't give her the debates either.

She's desperate..let her stay that way

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. Clinton's dishonoring a boycott.

:shrug:

[rinsd]

6. What boycott?

They all pulled out of one debate earlier this year.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. The boycott against Fox News.

But apparently Clinton and Murdoch have some sort of thing going on...

[rinsd]

14. There is no boycott against Fox News.

Obama was just on there in Jan.

And Hlllary has done the Wallace interview (Obama may have as well I am unsure)

[Cant trust em]

4. He is born from the MSM

I'm a supporter, but he did have a tremendous push from the MSM. They are under his spell just like I am.

[madmunchie]

15. What I meant is that the MSM had HRC winning POTUS hands down

and at least being the "inevitable DC for POTUS" (I wish I could abbreviate more in all of my posts, it is actually quite fun).

There wasn't a chance in HELL that Obama would have been recognized, respected and/or taken seriously thus being given hours and hours and hours of free airtime 3 years before the election like HRC has been given.

The fact that he is getting the attention now is just fucking amazing. Beating up on the Clinton machine/plan by just being himself..... Isn't that what our political process is SUPPOSED to be??????
:toast:

[Cant trust em]

22. Hillary Clinton has been talked about for president since 1993

That's a big wall to break through for Obama. Some people want to write him off as being "just a speech" or whatever. I think that it's incredibly powerful that we have a candidate who is asking people who are usually turned off by politics to get out and do something, and they are actually doing it. I've been to a couple of voluteering and campaign events for Barack and it is a beautiful crowd of young, old, rich, working class, and tremendous ethnic diversity. It's been a privilege being part of this campaign.

[madmunchie]

30. Good for you, I have been on the fence for a long time, observing

the candidates. I have finally cast my ballot w/Obama. I don't think he is perfect, but compared to HRC there really is no choice. I believe that he may end up being one of the most phenomenal Democrats of our time.

[Cant trust em]

35. as my roommate said

"He's liberal enough"

Barack Obama isn't perfect, but the perfect candidate doesn't exist.

[izzybeans]

7. I think they both should of had their fill with the asinine MSM debate questions.

It's beneath both of them.

I'm sure we'll be treated to a few more regardless of who wants what.

[Cant trust em]

37. Let's hope we don't get anymore Wolf Blitzer moderated debates

He just tries to stir up controversy between the candidates. Watching him run the show makes me ill.

[izzybeans]

47. No shit and Maniacal Matthews on MSNBC as well.

[Cant trust em]

49. I can't even read these names

without rolling my eyes. This is our media. This is supposed to be where we get our ideas.

[TexasObserver]

10. and he doesn't need acting lessons

like someone we know

You're right. We are lucky he's one of us.

[Apollo11]

18. Obama is happy to deliver exactly the same stump speech every day for the next 3 months.

Because that will prove he has all the abilities a great President needs.

Right? :eyes:

[Onlooker]

11. Are there no more debates scheduled?

There should be at least a few. I mean, in all, honesty, debates are the only place where we get to see them think on their feet and demonstrate their political prowess. Debates are important to making an informed decision without the manipulation of ads and the MSM.

[Apollo11]

16. Strongly agree!

I learn much more about the candidates from watching the debates than from watching speeches or reading their websites. With half the stuff on the website - how do you know the candidate has even read it? In the debates the candidates are on the spot. They either know their stuff or they don't.

[Apollo11]

12. How is Obama going to beat McCain if he doesn't like doing debates?

If he is planning on being the nominee, Obama should be using the Dem primaries as an opportunity to improve his debating skills in preparation for the fall.

[madmunchie]

19. The question is how could McCain POSSIBLY look good in debates

with Obama? McCain, ass kissing, hugging with Bush, who reads from speechs, talks pretty monotone, looks like he should be on Mt Rushmore, says that his strength is not economics, and that we will be in Iraq for 100 years, supports Bush's tax cuts to the rich, and supports the surge......Hell I would look good in debates against McCain.

[themaguffin]

26. who says he doesn't "like" debates?

In any case I could beat McCain in a debate.

[Thrill]

13. The person who wants more debates is usually the one in Trouble

[Apollo11]

21. So you agree with Mark Penn, that Hillary is the insurgency.

With his money and momentum, Obama is now officially the frontrunner.

[themaguffin]

32. She's the incumbent in trouble. It happens sometimes

[adabfree]

24. EXACTLY...it's a move of desperation

[TexasObserver]

28. BINGO!! She's broke, overspent, and in trouble.

Throw her the anchor, not the life line.

[IndieLeft]

20. I don't want to watch another damn debate

I've seen all of them. I know how they stand on the issues.

[Apollo11]

29. Let's not waste time discussing the issues.

The way to decide this is to see who can attract the biggest crowd.

Who needs substance when you have STAR QUALITY!! B-)

[nonconformist]

25. Why doesn't he want to debate?

Is it because his debating skills are subpar (which even many supporters admit)? Is it because it showcases that he doesn't have an in-depth grasp on the issues like Clinton does?

[adabfree]

31. You should be asking why

she wants all of these debates now..

why did she bring them up right around Super Tuesday..

She's in trouble.

[nonconformist]

41. Maybe she thinks it's important for people to see who can really debate the issues?

Because that's what this is supposed to be about - the issues.

Not rock star bandwagoning.

[adabfree]

50. No....truth is..why would she want it now...come on..get real

she's desperate and looking for free air time...

[madmunchie]

51. Not at all. HRC can suggest debates because she sorely needs the airtime

since her campaign is running very low on funds (is this a sign of how our economy will be handled? I mean, the convention isn't for months, why is she running so low on funds????? Poor planning?)

She is more rehearsed and up for the dog and pony show that most debates seem to turn into.

I watched Obama while HRC would answer question, you could see him listening and thinking, writing notes - I watched HRC while Obama was talking - she would have this frozen look on her face - usually a smile - a mask. Sometimes she took notes, but her style was basically so rehearsed that it was as though she really didn't listen to what Obama was saying but was waiting to talk more and dominate the airtime.

Its a difference in personality.

She is waiting to get to be able to talk again and he is thinking about what is being said and asked and then contemplating it. I think that it was really shown thru when he would be asked a question and then would answer it with a couple of sentences and leave it. He wasn'tfor just filling up air time with talk talk talk. He didn't seem to feel the need to. It was quite refreshing.

[scheming daemons]

27. Hillary's broke... she wants Obama to bail her out with free air time....

...he won't go for it.

He's too smart, and his campaign doing all the smart things.

[adabfree]

33. Yep. She's desperate

[pdxmom]

34. No way that he should agree to all those debates, and the fact that

she is asking for them is very telling.

[TheDonkey]

36. She is broke, back against the wall, foaming at the mouth. He is not

[TheDeathadder]

38. We've only had a ONE ON ONE debate ONCE

If the primary is going to go on I strongly think it's important to have more One on One Debates, which would be very different than the multiple candidate debates we have already had. We need to debate the candidates strengths and contrast, as well see how the two are holding in the Primary. If the primary continues the debates continue.

If Obama is strong enough to be President, he's strong enough to debate.

[sallyseven]

39. What are you afraid of.

Bad Hillary will tweak his little nose? Allow him to make stupid mistakes? If he is afraid of debating Hillary how is he going to do against the world leaders. Make motivational speeches. That is all they are. What changes is he going to make exactly?

[ginnyinWI]

40. Obama should spend his time on the campaign trail.

The more he stumps, the more popular he gets. Shouldn't waste time on debates which we've already seen plenty of. I'd like to see more TV interviews, though.

[niceypoo]

42. Obama prefers running on mindless slogans

rather than substance and debates = substance

[johnnydrama]

46. obviously

When Obama goes out and talks to the people, he wins them over every time.

Why else would Clinton want a debate a week. it would take up at least a day or two each week in preperation.

She probably would want 3 debates a day every day to keep him from going out there and talking directly to the people.

[Yael]

43. I support him in this

With John's voice no longer there to remind people that we have a poverty issue in this country and that the government is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Pharmaceutical, Insurance and Oil industries, the debates hold no more sway over me.

I would prefer to just listen to the candidates stump as opposed to the back and forth.

Then again, I have been watching the debates since they started last year, and about have them memorized by now.

:D

[Horse with no Name]

44. Precisely why it was SO important for the candidates early on in the primaries

to get airtime during the debates even though some here said it wasn't important. Team Hillary KNOWS it is.
:eyes:
That being said...I really don't give a fuck.

[Dogmudgeon]

45. Hillary is conniving; Obama is smart

Got it.

--p!

[cbayer]

48. Could you provide a link supporting your initial claim? nt.

[madmunchie]

52. Read the news today and DU it is everywhere. Why am I so lucky to get responses

from people who are so out of touch with dominate conversations and news?

[cbayer]

56. That's really uncalled for

I can find one article about Clinton wanting weekly debates from yesterday, no articles on Obama's response to this and a few about some back and forth about a possible debate on Fox (having to do with it being on Fox, not about there being a debate at all).
And just because DU is dominated by a topic does not make it accurate. That's very clear.
I just think those that post relatively inflammatory OP's should back them up. And I was just asking you to do this.

[madmunchie]

59. I am just joining in on one of the dominant conversations of the day

I actually took another thread and basically reworded it to what I thought was a more fair and direct form of the question that EVERYBODY AND THEIR MOTHER seems at least to mention today. To be asked for links to a lively conversation of ideas and observations sees so out of whack for what is actually going on here.

The next "conversation" I'd like to see discussed is the fact that now HRC seems to want Florida and Michigan to count AFTER it was agreed upon by the candidates that it wouldn't.....Do I need links for this to?

[cbayer]

60. I actually like your post

and agree that it generated some good conversation. I just think the premise stated in the subject is hard to justify and stirred up some ugliness. But really, I think your post was otherwise fair.
Apologies if i offended you.
And I would be very interested in the conversation about the FL & MI delegates.

[madmunchie]

61. Thanks for your understanding of my "in your face" style.... I just

don't believe in mincing too many words. Say what you mean and mean what you say, I love lively debates myself.

The DU can be pretty hard at times. Most of us can get full of themselves here from time to time.

The delegates from FL & MI are a tough one. I am not sure exactly what the candidates agreed to as far as FL & MI go, but, right now, it looks like somebody is trying to change the original agreement and/or understanding and IF that IS the case then case closed. AND if HRC tries to open that conversation back up, well, she is finished as far as I am concerned and it might just be the thing to persuade me to sit home if the GE goes to HRC because of this.

It will be the last time that FL screws the Presidential Election that I will participate in.

[cbayer]

63. I look forward to this discussion

The arguments on both sides are intriguing, aren't they?
And thank you for understanding my need to challenge.
Peace

[Seabiscuit]

57. They should do joint townhall meetings on CSPAN. I want to hear substance on

where they really stand on the issues. nt

[opihimoimoi]

66. I agree, there is a lot of questions out there not addressed yet....

The real questions have not been asked just yet...

[cottonseed]

62. Becasue the poor woman is broke.

it was a valiant effort.. but begging for free airtime just won't help either. this campaign is broke and broken.

[Az_lefty]

65. Don't do it Barack, let her fall by the wayside.

[GoldieAZ49]

68. We are so fucking lucky this guy is a Democrat and NOT a Republican.

got that right, they would LOVE to have him!!!!!!!!