"Independent" voter at workplace will not vote for Hillary in the General..

[Postman]

A co-worker who claims to be an Independent voter said to me that he wouldn't vote for Hillary in the General because of the "mischief" that Bill was engaged in during his Presidency (ie womanizing) and because Bill "let the military deteriorate"...

So it appears that Hillary is tainted by the "sins" of her husband...

I don't agree with my co-worker's assessment but this is what Hillary is up against if she gets the nomination. It's unfair and inaccurate but those are the issues she is going to have to put to rest..

[pnwmom]

1. I'm sure some Independents will find reasons

not to vote for Obama either, after the Rethugs get through with him.

The one thing about HRC is, her negatives are pretty well known, and a large portion of the population has been vaccinated against those attacks.

[MissMillie]

2. well, I guess he favors more of the same mischief we've seen in the last 7 years

to the economic growth, job creation, and all over boom of the 90s


that makes your co-worker an idiot

[eleny]

4. I doubt we'll see a 90s style boom again for a very long time

Not since NAFTA dug it's teeth into our economy.

[littlebit]

3. There is a woman

in one of my classes that said the only way she would vote for her is if she left Bill. She said that she thinks Hillary is ok but she can not vote for a woman that stays with a cheater.

[gilpo]

13. That's my wife's problem with her...

She doesn't respect her for staying with him. My pointing out that she is not practising the forgiveness she preaches was met with... well.... back to the dog house for gilpo.

[kimmylavin]

22. Same thing with my mother.

During the whole Clinton thing, my mother would take Bill to task every chance she got.
Mention Guiliani's misdeeds to her (she lives in NJ), and "Its not the same thing."

These days, when I bring up the whole "forgiveness" thing - my mother claims to be a Catholic - and, again, "That's different".

There's just no continuity in people's opinions when it comes to Hillary.
They want to hate her, they've chosen their reason, and - more often than not - that reasoning will only apply to Hillary, and no one else.

(For the record, I'm a (D) voter - after losing Kucinich and then Edwards, I still can't choose between the two...)

[sharp_stick]

5. I work with a guy that says he's

a Democrat but will not vote for Obama because he's black.

I guess that makes us even in the vote losing category, one down for each because of stupid reasons.

If I spent any time worrying about who to nominate because of what morons think I'd have no time to drink beer.

[eleny]

10. So if they're both on the ballot, we're f'd

[MADem]

12. Heh heh--tell your acquaintance to use the handy dandy guide to voting I've

posted downthread in #11!!!! It's MADE for morons!!!!

[sharp_stick]

21. Great Guide - Thx

But now I'm going to have to recalibrate the way I look at the candidates. Up until now "size of ass" was merely a secondary characteristic, I had no idea that it should be a prime determinant. Do you think Clinton and Obama would mind me using a tape measure?

[DJ13]

6. So it appears that Hillary is tainted by the "sins" of her husband...

Well, she has been running on her husbands two terms, so thats fair.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

7. Bill Clinton is both a liability and an asset to the campaign

There are many who remember his presidency and will vote for his wife because they feel she will bring back good times. But there are many who think along the lines brought up in your post, or who didn't like some of the political things Clinton did while in office (NAFTA being an example). Which group is the larger one? I don't know.

[Captain Hilts]

8. Tell him that Gingrich was also into "mischief" and GWB has cut the navy by 14K sailors in ONE year.

[NMDemDist2]

9. hubby and I both heard the meme "Obama is/was a Muslim" today

me at the No Kill Shelter thrift store, him at work.

:shrug:

neither of our candidates are immune to the slime machine.

[MADem]

11. No, he'll vote for McCain. And that's even if the Dem nominee is Bozo the Clown

or Barack Obama or Al Gore.

Enough with the anecdotal bullshit--on BOTH sides!! If I hear that some asswipe won't vote for the candidate due to

--Race,

--Gender,

--Relatives, overly enthusiastic, overbearing, unkind, aggressive, rude, drunk on Billy Beer or otherwise

I immediately disregard those silly little stories.

After all, the ONLY valid reasons for NOT voting for a candidate are:

--Size of ass/thickness of leg/wingspan of ears

--Religion, especially if it involves UNDERWEAR

--Baldness, particularly when a lumpy head is involved--additional points are deducted for uncontrollable nose or ear hair

--Change of haircolor (double points deducted for lousy dye jobs), hairstyle/toupees or grooming of facial hair without suffiicient public warning

--Ditto for change of clothing style; double points will be deducted

--Degree of obesity, or if there's been a recent weight loss, resemblance to the Pop-n-Fresh character; alternatively, inability to put on weight, excessive thinness

--Smoking!! A cardinal sin in some quarters

--General "Ugly-ass" ness, an irritating/monotonous voice,

or

Any stupid idiotic reason that we read about on an anonymous political discussion forum!!!

Pay no attention to the issues, now! Follow this guide, and you'll have ALL you need to pick yourself a PRIME President!! Nothing else matters!!!!

:rofl:

[blondeatlast]

16. Oh. My. Chosen Spiritual Divinity. That is hysterical!

I knew I'd reached some parallel universe when one's choice of underwear was a fit topic to debate in public and be criteria for excluding a potential candidate.

Only on DU (and no, I'm not Mormon, but geez).

This should be it's own thread--I'll kick it to Heaven, I promise (even in my Agent Provocateur panties...)!

[MADem]

20. Why thank you!!

I dunno about putting this out there on it's own--some people have NO sense of humor, unfortunately!

[B Calm]

14. Some choice.. Both parties have corporate bought candidates!

makes one want to stay home in November. I'm not to excited about our choices either!

[blondeatlast]

17. What a refreshing addition to the debate. Got any more stellar thoughts?

I breathlessly await.


(I also use cheap sarcasm on message boards.)

[endarkenment]

15. Independent = Republican

in this case. The talking point 'Bill "let the military deteriorate"...' would be the first clue.

This OP belongs in the primaries dungeon.

[LanternWaste]

18. And the Independents where I work have said they would vote for her.

And the Independents where I work have said they would vote for her.

Tough to base national mood on personal anecdotes, but there it is...

[Ganja Ninja]

19. These people kill me.

If they were so incensed over an extramarital affair why aren't they scaling the fence at the white house right now?

[Warpy]

23. Ask him to think about his own family

and you'll be on solid ground. I have two cousins about my age and we all traded being the family scandal all through the 60s. We eventually turned out respectable as did the rest of them, except the two who are Repugs.

Guilt by association is generally a fallacy. My ex was a drunk and I can't tolerate alcohol at all. Guilt by association would have me prone to alcoholism when I can't get near the stuff.

The main thing Hillary Clinton is up against is deeply ingrained sexism in this culture. There are men out there who will never voluntarily allow any woman into a position of power, no matter what, and voting is the very essence of that. There are also women, generally married to them, who feel the same way.

Sexism is much more longstanding and deeply ingrained than racism is in this culture. Clinton's got an uphill battle ahead of her and the party had better realize it as quickly as possible. If she gets cursed with another DLC election team that forces her to play to nonexistent GOP swing voters, we're sunk.