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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:05 PM
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Zogby explains his CA mistake
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About California: Some of you may have noticed our pre-election polling differed from the actual results. It appears that we underestimated Hispanic turnout and overestimated the importance of younger Hispanic voters. We also overestimated turnout among African-American voters. Those of you who have been following our work know that we have gotten 13 out of 17 races right this year, and so many others over the years. This does happen.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-zogby/after-super-tuesday_b_85369.html
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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:06 PM
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1. Aww too bad.
I was hoping he'd admit to being a bought and paid for whore.
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IndieLeft Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:21 PM
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13. That's uncalled for
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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:27 PM
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18. Are you the manners police?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:34 AM
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31. Another crude representative
for hilary.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:06 PM
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2. Why doesn't he just stop already. He's been notoriously inaccurate this year.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:09 PM
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6. He was good in Nevada, Iowa, and Missouri
It's not all bad.
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IndieLeft Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:20 PM
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10. 13 out of 17 is Notoriously Inaccuarte?
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 06:22 PM by IndieLeft
That's news to me.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:28 PM
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19. he's been responsible twice for overestimating Obama and ...
... and in doing so, totally changing the expectations, which helped Hillary. California and New Hampshire. If memory serves, that was Zogby that led the charge on New Hampshire.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:30 PM
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22. Yes, that was devastating on many levels. NH that is.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:31 AM
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30. Yes, it looked really devastating last night
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 01:32 AM by RummyTheDummy
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:06 PM
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3. I don't know why he thinks he can explain his mistakes like this.
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 06:25 PM by jlake
Part of being a good pollster is not "underestimating" and "overestimating" demographic turnouts.
Zogby is never to be trusted - PERIOD.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:09 PM
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Seriously. One is supposed to be able to recognize those trends thru data.
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IndieLeft Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:22 PM
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14. ...Only when he calls it for Hillary... Right?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:25 PM
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16. He Missed The Most Important Race By Twenty Three Fricken Points!!!
That's like an orthopedist amputating the wrong leg...

He's incompetent...
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:29 PM
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20. Ha! Unless Zogby was the surgeon: "It was only unsuccessful because I amputated the wrong leg"
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:39 PM
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25. Hey, Shit Happens. lol.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:26 PM
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17. Nope. Never trust Zogby. EVER . That is my point.
.... especially in the GE this November.
Zogby is a major freeper.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:09 PM
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4. LOL, that's how Zomby explains nearly 25 pt swing?
Maybe you shouldn't have flogged your poll results showing an Obama surge so hard jackass!
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:09 PM
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5. Zogby has been wrong too many times.
Why can't he just admit that he was paid to make that damn poll?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:13 PM
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7. Maybe Zo(m)by Should Have Looked At The Fricken Census
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LoveMyCali Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:20 PM
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12. Who would have figured
Hispanics in California. Imagine that, I thought only blonde surfer types lived in California. :sarcasm:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:23 PM
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15. Cali Is 55% White...35% Latino...6% African American...4% Asian Or Thereabouts
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 06:53 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
Duh-Zomby...
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:17 PM
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8. Maybe he shouldn't be so arrogant as to think his numbers which were a mile off the others
were right.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:18 PM
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9. That A.M. Zogby poll kicked the fence sitting Clintons off the Fence yesterday.
WWWF voice~ Mission Accomplished!!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:37 PM
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24. You know that for a fact?
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:44 PM
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27. No I don't. Just my own insight of events.
I will not argue with you. You are one of my favorites here, You are too special to me.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 08:28 PM
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28. in my opine-that poll did not scare any supporters
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:20 PM
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11. The powerfull South West Voter group owes Bill a lot. It was a mistake not
to understand their influence and what they could deliver for Clinton.
I attended on of the fundraiser Bill headed to raise big money for the group over
the last 10 years.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:29 PM
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21. "Some of you may have noticed" -
:rofl:
Hey Zoggie, that's a ...

23% Margin of Error.


"This does happen." :rofl:
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caraher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:36 PM
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23. When did Zogby start writing like a Republican hack?
"On the other hand, will Democrat race degenerate into a repeat of 1968?"
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:39 PM
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26. About California: I'm a Pollster, just not a good one.
signed,

Zogby
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:26 AM
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29. Did he explain his business partner/brother who is an Obama superdelegate?
Or did he "underestimate" that too?
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:42 AM
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32. Young or old, underestimating the Hispanic community's vote, influence, import in Calif....
is a form of anathema
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:53 AM
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33. They should've ran Morrissey as a candidate. n/t
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