Now, you know why secret donor $$$'s matter: the "loan" "from" the Clintons to Clinton Campaign...

[CorpGovActivist]

... is now DEFINITELY fair game for follow-the-money research revelations on:

* all of Bill's speaking fees, at home and abroad (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=&q=clinton+loan">that money could be part of the loan)

* all of the structured investment vehicles, arranged for by people like Walter Kaye (those investments could have provided proceeds for the loan)

* any and all other financial dealings in which the Clintons and Corporate America exchanged http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consideration_under_American_law">consideration, of whatever type, whether in-kind, in-cash, or otherwise (that consideration could have directly provided the money, or backfilled other investments to prevent penalty triggers, etc.)

With respect,

- Dave

P.S. On edit, it is also important to point out that the loan is not subject to any of the transparency or reporting breakdown requirements that ordinary donations require. It's a big black pot of money, with no disclosure provided to voters as to how it was cobbled together, or from where. By contrast, regular donations are searchable at the FEC.gov database.

[Kittycat]

1. We're not allowed to ask about that. She's fully vetted, remember?

[CorpGovActivist]

2. By whom are we not allowed to ask? The Clinton Campaign?

That's tough luck for them.

Since their pockets are turned out now, I'll gladly spot them $2, to buy each other a small coffee. Because that, and their wishing, will get them exactly that.

- Dave

[ursi]

3. Nevada's Dem Party paid $12,000. to Clinton for travel costs

to Lake Tahoe for a summit forum and he then ran around the Reno/Tahoe area holding expensive fundraisers for the state party with Hillary 2008 signs everywhere. And it was all at the request of Harry Reid.

And Harry Reid slammed Dennis Kucinich in Reno on the radio and he did not pay for flights for any other candidate's husband or wife to galavant around the State.

It's under investigation by the SOS and the FEC right now.

More to come.

[CorpGovActivist]

6. I have much data in this regard too.

Please let me know how I can be of service.

Reporting for duty: :patriot:

- Dave

[bigbrother05]

4. kick

:popcorn:

[CorpGovActivist]

21. Haben Sie ...

... oh, crap. I forgot. You're allergic.

For me then.

:beer:

- Dave

P.S. We're still processing that. In our state of shock, all we can offer:

:hug:

[HeraldSquare212]

5. Here's a link to a list of Bill's speeches from 2001 to 2005.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2007/clinton-speeches/list/

[CorpGovActivist]

8. My understanding is that is considered a national newspaper of record.

Perhaps others have a different viewpoint.

If so, I'd be interested in a clearly articulated defense of it.

- Dave

[lurky]

7. Was the loan from their personal wealth?

Or from their foundation? What are the rules about what they can do with their foundation money?

[CorpGovActivist]

9. Good questions, with answers best forthcoming from Mark Penn.

The campaign's chief strategist, who steered the ship onto this reef.

- Dave

[lurky]

10. About reporting loans...

Are you serious? Loans don't have to be disclosed? So she could be borrowing money from Rupert Murdoch or whoever, and we would never know about who she is literally and figuratively in debt to.

And what if billionaire X "loans" millions of dollars to a campaign, and then quietly forgives the loan after the election? This would appear to be a huge blind spot in our campaign laws.

[radfringe]

12. problem is a catch 22

to change the campaign laws, you have to elect someone who is campagining, and if that person is getting funds through the back door but you don't know about it - then how can you be sure they would back changed in the very laws that left that back door open?

[CorpGovActivist]

14. "This would appear to be a huge blind spot in our campaign laws"

I'm just waiting for someone to say she's shining a bright, glaring klieg light on the "hugh" loophole.

Campaign crash as campaign cash public service announcement: brought to you by the letter Mark Penn.

Now, about public financing of OUR campaigns ...

; )

- Dave

[bigtree]

18. Hillary made a fortune from her books

and there's a limit to what Bill can spend of his, as I remember from the Kerry campaign.

[CorpGovActivist]

26. Yup. He's definitely the ketchup heiress in this whole mess of Freedom Fries.

[nashville_brook]

11. really good points.

[CorpGovActivist]

24. I so have Mark Penn's number on this.

[Mme. Defarge]

13. K&R!

[Major Hogwash]

15. What $131 Million? What sack of cash?

Yeah, I knew not disclosing all that money was going to come back on them.

[bigtree]

16. what you're really saying is that folks shouldn't be able to invest their own money in these races

Who knows what the Clinton's spent that money on. It certainly helped them maintain their lifestyle, which included politics, but Obama raised and spent money to support his political self while in the Senate, at the same time this money you point to was, allegedly, being provided to the Clinton's. Don't act like Obama's donations began with this presidential campaign. Especially if you are reaching into the past income of the Clinton's to make your case.

[CorpGovActivist]

20. One born...

... http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=9405&rendTypeId=4
">at least every century.

The greatest show on earth.



- Dave

[bigtree]

22. I just want to be clear. you're referring to me?

[CorpGovActivist]

23. No. No. No.

A new variation on an old shell game. Follow the money.

- Dave

[bigtree]

17. How did Obama get to the point where he could run a campaign.

What about the money he used from the developer to support himself while moving up the political ladder? What about his very different money raising standards he practiced in the Senate?

You can't just isolate the Clinton's income as pernicious unless you are also willing to fault Obama for using money to advance himself.

[KoKo]

19. Agree...there's much about Obama's rise that should be questioned.

Unfortunately after Bush/Cheney...and Wall St. and Big Corporate CEO's Salaries...most Americans are immune to these scandals, by now. They think it's just part of "bidness." That's what the late Clinton and total Bush years have done to Americans way of thinking.

Maybe we are just becoming more tolerant or European in our sophisticated way of looking at Greed and Graft and influence peddling. We Americans have always been so provincial...so Puritan in our outlook.
:sarcasm:

[CorpGovActivist]

25. When the Obamas loan money to his campaign, the source of their income...

... would become fair game, too.

- Dave