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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:19 PM
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The 5 million announcement puts Clinton in the "underdog" position Obama was trying to land today
Clinton does better when the "inevitabilty" MSM charge quiets down and she is seen as fighting. I suspect that's why the money was injected today.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:20 PM
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1. A silk purse from a sows ear.......nice try
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:21 PM
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2. HAHAHAHA.....Hillary needed a sweep now she WANTS to be the underdog. HAHAHA
Tell it to someone who believes it.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:21 PM
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3. Interesting observation. I was listening to the MSM and they were saying "Obama is the underdog."
If she can actually flip it as it seems she did on Tuesday, it can go a completely different way.

Remember, NH and NV were decided in large part by "last day deciders," people who saw that Obama was deemed "inevitable," and chose not to follow the drone-like voting pattern.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:22 PM
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5. OBAMA was saying he is the underdog today. Said it over and over.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:23 PM
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6. That is Mark Penn's new strategy. Paint Obama the establishment.
Hillary as the Underdog.

I honestly don't think it will work.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:25 PM
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9. I doubt it will work but because the MSM was pumping Obama as inevitable...
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 06:25 PM by joshcryer
...it left *a lot* of voters on the fence. A great number of Hillary's votes were people who chose to vote for her on the day of the primary.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:27 PM
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13. It may. The media and the establishment are behind Obama now
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:29 PM
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18. You might want to check the figures..
in the states HRC won yesterday: see what her numbers were a week ago versus yesterday. Also, check the polls (aren't we all tired of the over-analysis of every friggin' vote) and see how many HRC votes yesterday were people who had made up their minds up-to-and-over a week ago versus BO voters who had made up their minds in the previous 3 days. All I'm saying is...1+1=2...they teach that first so you will take it for granted when they hit you with the complicated math. Keep your eye on the fundamentals...all the geometry, algebra, etc. can be used to prove any-and-everything...but 1+1 still ALWAYS = 2. (Please don't tell me about imaginary numbers...this isn't W world.)
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:22 PM
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4. I'm dizzy.
That's right. Obama's the establishment candidate. That's Mark Penn next move.

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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:26 PM
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12. He already played that hand. See here:
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_pollster_mark_penn_oba.php

Hillary Pollster Mark Penn: Obama Has Become The "Establishment Candidate"
By Greg Sargent - February 6, 2008, 11:26AM

This one is worth keeping an eye on, because we'll be hearing more of it in the days ahead. In the Clinton campaign conference call I mentioned below, Hillary pollster Mark Penn repeatedly said Obama was becoming an "establishment candidate" -- a rather strained effort to use Obama's high-profile endorsements to weaken his insurgent appeal.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:24 PM
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7. Clinton as the underdog?
Are you joking? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Hillary herself planned to wrap up the nomination by now. The media thought she would win the nomination by now. By any definition, she is not the underdog.

But keep the spin going. It makes the Hillary camp look desperate.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:26 PM
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11. That's untrue, the media has been painting a horse race (if not a failure of her candidacy) from...
...the first freaking caucus. Third place = doomed. NH = second or third place = doomed. NV = doomed. SC = doomed. Be realistic here.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:28 PM
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16. Hillary has been the frontrunner since day one
Obama isn't a John Edwards underdog, I am not willing to spin it that much, but come on, she has been annointed as the front runner since Day One. Super Tuesday played into her strengths. Her machine was supposed to dominate that day. It didn't.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:29 PM
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17. she is the underdog fighting for her life right now
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:30 PM
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19. Oh please
She is a Clinton. She's not an underdog. Never was. Never will be.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:31 PM
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20. She's been counted out since Iowa but shows moxie and fights her way back in
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:35 PM
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22. Moxie?
She had a 20 pt national lead for months!!
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 06:40 PM
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24. she's no underdog, but she is fighting for her life
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 06:40 PM by JackORoses
Didn't think you would ever admit that she is in bad shape.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:25 PM
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8. I think you give them too much credit.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:25 PM
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10. they're both doing just fine-geezus, they aren't going to explode
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:27 PM
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14. It's one thing to be an underdog, but not a broke underdog.
Not when at one time you could pull in 2 million dollars in one night.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:28 PM
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15. Nice try.
:rofl:

You know, you could put all that spinning to good use; hook up a generator or something. You could probably power a medium-sized town with every post.
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:33 PM
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21. maybe HRC is just looking ahead, expecting to have the nomination...
and is practicing for her position against the GE opponent.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 06:19 PM
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23. Kick!
:rofl:
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