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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:43 PM
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How was it not dishonest for Hillary to hide her financial troubles
until the day after Super Tuesday. The American voters had a right to know that
her finances were in the tank before they voted yesterday.

There is more than a hint of disingenuity to this maneuver.

One more time she gamed the system and played the voters.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:45 PM
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1. what troubles. She has plenty of money.
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adabfree Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:46 PM
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10. HA!
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 07:14 PM
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32. Uh, no. She's in hock, as a matter of fact.
She had to loan her own campaign $5 million to keep going until ST, and now they may have to do it again. Also, key staffers including her campaign manager are going without pay this month.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 08:41 PM
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36. You're right...her CAMPAIGN has financial problems...she is rich as hell
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:45 PM
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2. You have lost all human reasoning ability.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:45 PM
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6. This is GD-P. Since when do ANY of us qualify for the ability to reason?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:45 PM
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3. Maybe her staff leaked it, for sympathy and to raise money--trying to pull
a McCain "comeback" story. She WANTS Obama to look like the frontrunner, I think.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:46 PM
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11. ding ding ding
it leaked. why?
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:52 PM
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23. It was not leaked.
Mark Halperin asked this morning. There must have been rumors.
Now it is pouring out. Strange the day after the most significant primary schedule on the calendar.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:52 PM
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25. That's what I've been thinking.
Because I know I feel really motivated to donate to her today (and I will do so), and I've talked to other Hillary supporters who say they feel the same. So, this could be a ploy to get us to donate more. And I don't really mind if it is.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 08:43 PM
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38. If you think your candidate would use this as a "ploy" maybe you have the wrong candidate!
Unless you enjoy being USED....
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:45 PM
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4. Deluded.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:48 PM
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14. One more time it was the voters who were deluded.
That is what I dislike the most about Hillary. She will use false imagery over substance every time.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:50 PM
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21. Deluded.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 07:17 PM
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33. You are repeating yourself to no avail.
They should have reported the loan.
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:45 PM
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5. You are an idiot.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:46 PM
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7. Uh huh...
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IndieLeft Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:46 PM
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8. It's nothing she hasn't done before.
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 06:46 PM by IndieLeft
...Peter Paul
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:46 PM
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9. Who Asked Her? Who Required the Disclosure? Did She Break Any Laws You're Aware Of?
Hmmm?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:47 PM
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12. So you think voters should decide based on how much money a campaign has?
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 06:47 PM by onenote

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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:49 PM
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16. If it didn't matter, why didn't she tell us?
Because if her campaign is struggling financially, she would appear weaker than she wanted
us to know. That is why she did not tell us. She knew it would matter.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 07:07 PM
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27. I didn't say whether it would matter. I asked whether it should?
Should voters decide based on how much money a campaign has? If not, then its not terribly relevant. It will come out when it comes out.

BTW, I'm leaning towards Obama, but I think some of the things tossed around on GD-P by both Obama supporters and Clinton supporters are just silly. This is one of them.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 07:45 PM
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35. In politics, perception is everything.
And she knows that better than anyone. Voters should know where the funds are coming from.

If you are self-financing, they have a right to know.

If a big super duper organization like hers can't pay its senior staff, the voters have the right to know.

I very much disagree that it is silly. Hiding this crisis until after the election yesterday,
speaks directly to what many of us dislike about Hillary the most.

That she is disingenuous. That we do not feel we can trust her.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:48 PM
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13. What was reported Jan donations O - 32 Mil.......H over 10 Mill
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:48 PM
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15. I have yet to see an iota of proof of these financial 'troubles'
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp">2 seconds worth of research is all it takes
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:50 PM
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20. Her main staffers working for free is not trouble?
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:50 PM
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17. All is fair in love, war, and politics
Politics is a dirty business. Everything is subject to calculation and strategy and no politician is above it.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:50 PM
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18. So we have to vote for candidates based on their bank roll?
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 07:01 PM
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26. No, we vote for them based
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 07:16 PM by Big Blue Marble
on their honesty with the American people, hopefully.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 07:08 PM
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28. who gave to Obama last week?
Not disclosed? Of course not. Doesn't have to be. Doesn't make him dishonest. And not disclosing the loan before it was required to be disclosed isn't dishonest either.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 07:09 PM
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30. It depends on what the meaning of parse is
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:50 PM
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19. it was shady, failing to disclose until after Super Tuesday
Anyone who can't figure out why that is so probably doesn't have a problem with how Hillary runs a campaign.
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adabfree Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:51 PM
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22. Very shady indeed
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 07:08 PM
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29. why?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:52 PM
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24. I suggest we give the Hillaryworld campaign a dollar a day
Since it probably costs about two bucks to perform the transaction, send an email, manage the account and then do follow up emails, why not chip in a buck.

:rofl:

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MzShellG Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 07:12 PM
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31. My post from another thread.......
If she is running out of money before Super Tuesday, what does that say about her budgeting skills? Is that how she will handle the country's economy? Don't even mention the 'surplus'. That surplus was just a result of them kicking poor people off of welfare. Then when Bush came, he ruined the so-called surplus, while the homeless/jobless rate sky rocketed. As the 'front runner', she shouldn't be having to lend her own campaign any money. Why is she really out of dough anyway? Did she blow her campaign money buying super delegates? Hmmmmmm.....Seems pretty suspicious to me. I'm not buying their excuses.
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alstephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 07:20 PM
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34. Get a life, folks.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 08:42 PM
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37. Quite frankly, I don't think it matters
Democrats are NEVER good at managing campaign money. You show me a Democrat who successfully manages their campaign $$$, and I'll show you a Republican.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:38 PM
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39. That of course is a rationalization.
I am not concerned how she spent her money.

I am concerned that she hid that she needed to borrow her own money to keep going.

If she did not think it would be a problem she would have reported it.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:47 PM
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40. And actually she didn't exactly bring it up.
She admitted it when asked, but if she hadn't been asked, we still wouldn't know.
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