To all who will not vote Democrat in the GE if their candidate doesn't get the nom:

[Thickasabrick]

You would be ushering in 4 more years of this shit. Thousands more needless deaths and wasted blood would be on your hands. No, it wouldn't be all your fault but you would partially be responsible if you don't do everything in your power to end the bloodshed - the act of "not voting" is as bad as a vote for McCain.

My favorite isn't running anymore, but I'll be damned if I let John "100 years in Iraq" McCain win in default.

To all the Clinton/Obama bashers - fuck off. You aren't really helping anyone get elected you're just making yourselves look like pricks.

Sorry - needed to rant. Carry on.

[mihalevich]

1. No one is voting Republican't

[LordJFT]

certainly not

[bicentennial_baby]

3. No, I've seen one DUer who said they will vote R

if Obama gets the nom. Not naming names though.

[rjx]

5. I have seen MANY DU'ERS that will not vote for Hillary

I listen to liberal radio (KGO AM 810) and so many people call in saying they will never vote for Hillary if she receives the nomination. They will either vote republican or not vote at all.

Its sicking. These idiots are not real democrats. Screw them all.

[bicentennial_baby]

6. I'm just saying that this poster would rather vote Repuke...

Which blows my mind...

[woolldog]

9. Most of the country

wouldn't be considered "real democrats." DU is a highly skewed sample of the American electorate.

[stimbox]

29. KGO's not liberal. n/t

[Thickasabrick]

4. By not voting at all, they are "virtually" voting for a Republican.

I may hate our nom's guts but I'll still vote for them to end the bloody republican rule.

[Mags]

2. Sorry, I am a democrat for 30 yrs and have never voted

for a Repub. but this time I am looking for the best person for the job. Not Obama, He will split the party wide open. As they say , mark my words.

[Thickasabrick]

7. I don't care if Obama ate baby brains, he's better than McCain

McCain never got over Vietnam - he would never leave a war and would probably start more. Under no circumstances could Obama be as bad as McCain.

[pbca]

8. I am not a 'Democrat'

Though I do tend to vote for Dems. Now..before anyone says "Why are you on DU if you're not a Democrat?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html">http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

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I'm here because there's a good chance I'll vote for Obama if he is the nominee. If Clinton is the nominee I will stop coming here (at least until after the general election) and work on figuring out where to put my vote other than Hillary. I remember the 8 years of the Clinton White House.

Yes, economic times were better - partly because of Clinton, partly just because they were better times.

Yes, he brokered peace in Ireland (although George Mitchell did most of the brokering)

Yes he balanced the budget (at great cost to the poor, and education)

Other than that I wasn't impressed with his presidency. He did terrible things at home and abroad during his time in the W.H. and I won't support his return, or his wifes. Sorry, but you can't claim I'm misinformed, I was there.

[Mags]

22. I'm a Dem of 38 yrs, and I feel like you.

[Mags]

23. I'm a Dem of 38 yrs, and I feel like you.

[Warren DeMontague]

24. "He will split the party wide open" ....why?

Specifics, please.

[Mme. Defarge]

10. I will not vote for any candidate

who runs a dirty campaign. Better not see credible evidence of voter supression, push polling, etc. I also won't support a candidate who is selected by "super" delegates. Although, in my view, Hillary has many negatives as a candidate, I could conceivably vote for her as long as she runs a clean campaign and is clearly the choice of the majority of Democratic voters. While, at this stage, I definitely prefer Obama, I will definitely hold him to the same standards.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

11. Anyone On This Site Who Declares Such, After Knowing What They Know, Is An Absolute Moron.

Can't put it any straighter than that. To not vote for the Dem this election, is to do the ultimate act of a fool. Sheer stupidity.

[Mags]

13. You know, that is your opinion, but putting it straight back to

you, Obama has got to prove alot to me , not just take my vote for granted and assume that I WILL vote for him not matter what. I ain't a fool and I am not stupid. Don't just follow the leader, learn , read and know what your are getting before you drop your vote.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

16. No, It's Actually A Well Established Fact.

Anyone who knows the damage republican rule has done, and what damage 4-8 more years of republican rule would continue to do, but would not vote for the Dem in the GE in order to help thwart republican victory, is just quite simply a narrow minded moron and fool, period. That's not opinion, it's a fact. Deal with it. :hi:

[Warren DeMontague]

25. I don't usually find myself agreeing with OMC, but here I sure as shit do.

And the bottom line is, on substantive policy proposals, there's not a whole ton of difference between Sens. Clinton & Obama, which makes the hysterical I'll-take-my-ball-and-go-home bitching from both sides just all that more ridiculous... because they're presumably ditching their party over what is, more than anything else, a personality contest.

Fact is, neither of them are exactly where I want our candidate to be, but they are both smart, they are both capable, and I look forward to having one of them as the President of the United States.

[Zodiak]

12. Get this straight

I do not care about loyalty to a party one bit....I think it is stupid to love a party so much that you would instantly come unglued when someone doesn't vote for it, calling them "idiots".....blaming them for every little wrong. Parties do not own votes, and if they fail to appeal to anyone, that is THEIR fault. Asking people to vote against their conscience is illogical...enforcing it with an antagonistic attitude is the height of rudeness and the nadir of appeal.

What I do care about is this country, and I have always thought of the Dems as the only opportunity to undo all of the damage that Reagan and his policies have wrought on this country. Well, it seems to me from careful study that a good proportion of Democrats would never do that...they embrace Reaganomics, Reagan militarism, Reagan framing, etc. It is those Democrats who are keeping the party from being able to oppose the pukes.

I won't vote for them. Two main reasons....a corporate Democrat will not fix this country, and the impending crisis will get blamed on the whole party and the "left" in general when said Democrat does very little to nothing and the whole thing comes to a collapse. Two...they take up all of the leadership of the party and nudge out progressives. One of them in the White House would only set progressives back to the time before Howard Dean when we were not even given a thought. I will not deliberately destroy the aspirations of the only political group willing to tackle the problems we have.

[JoePhilly]

14. Then sit quietly for 4 years as McCain continues the war ... and ...

And as he appoints conservatives to the court.

And as he allows the right wing to put forth gay marriage and other crazy ammendments.

And as he allows Iraq occupatoin to run 100 years.

And as he vetoes health care for kids.

And as he approves subsidies to the oil companies.

[Zodiak]

19. Not my fault

The party should have put someone up that people will vote for without holding their noses.

We've been though that "the Democratic party OWNS your vote" thing before. It is not a winning strategy and conveniently allows the party to ignore its own shortcomings.

[JoePhilly]

34. Not my fault?

Did you learn nothing from 8 years of Bush?

[Zodiak]

35. I learned that half of our party will suck up to Bush for a pat on the head

...and consequently, I will not vote for them. Cowards only make our party look cowardly.

I do not subscribe at all to the notion that any party own anyone's votes. Try finding that in the Constitution and I might listen to it....oh wait, the Constitution doesn't even mention party.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

18. That Argument In And Of Itself Is Moronic.

I see it so often in response to these types of threads, and it continues to be moronic each time I see it.

Know why it's moronic? Because it's so narrow minded in its premise that the REASON we lash out at those declaring they won't vote for the Dem is due to some shallow surface ridiculous notion that we're loyal to the party like as if it's some sports game. Just on it's face, that's monumentally short sighted and plain dumb.

No. The reason why we lash out is because come election day, whether you like it or not, there will be a victor. That victor will be either a Dem or a repub. We know how MONUMENTALLY important it will be for this country, for this WORLD, to have that victor be the Dem, REGARDLESS of how imperfect that Dem might be. It isn't about loyalty, it is about simple common fucking sense and awareness that a republican victory would be devastating. 4-8 more years of republican rule would be devastating. So anyone who otherwise knows better, who would in some way contribute to the possibility of a republican victory, is quite simply nothing short of a moron; period. So that's why the argument you referenced is moronic in premise, and always will be whenever someone else touts it out in such a narrow minded fashion. This isn't about party loyalty; its about making sure we even BEGIN to stop the bleeding that we've endured the past 7 years now. We are in the right and you are in the wrong. It really is quite that simple. And the only thing more moronic than that sort of 'loyalty' argument, is when someone retorts with "well it doesn't matter. The dem will be devastating too blah blah blah", since putting forth a premise that a Dem, ANY of our running Dems, would be as bad for the country and world as the repub candidate, is quite simply as moronic as one can get. So I hope you'll refrain from at least posting that sort lunacy.

[Thickasabrick]

21. Awesome post. You summed it up so much better than I ever could.

[RamboLiberal]

27. Great Post - I'm with you

To those of you who are going to sit out the election, or write in some perfect candidate or vote for someone like Nader - condemn us to another 4-8 years of this crap! Oh you will stand on your principles but let yourself and the rest of the country be screwed!

You sound like a couple of my employer's blue-collar employees I was talking to today. They say they won't vote for McCain. Good! The idiots listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage-Weiner who are laughing all the way to the bank and not giving a damn that the Repukes they do back like Dubya are screwing them.

I'm still pissed at the Nader voters in Florida - yeah, you can give me all the friggin' excuses that your Nader vote didn't cost Gore the election, etc. but if you hadn't been such quixotic fools when a lot of people were begging you to come to your senses and vote for Gore we'd be in a far better place in this country!

[Mags]

30. God, who died and make you the judge and jury.

You can say what you want , but with you attitude , you ain't ever gonna change anyone's mind the way you come off. You want votes or just someone to agree with your attitude?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

33. No One Needed To Die. I Was Judge And Jury While They Were Alive Too.

I'm right. You're wrong. Deal with it.

[sniffa]

15. Rather than post this yet again (as these threads are a dime a dozen)

C&P from the other thread started about an hour or so ago.

These threads are tiresome, and rather pointless. The blunt object some DUers use here doesn't have the force you think it does. If anything, it has the opposite of the intended effect.

[Individualist]

17. To all who think their demands will influence others' votes -

:rofl:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. I'll be voting for the best candidate on the ballot. Even if I have to write one in.

Which I fully expect to do.

[RamboLiberal]

28. Like your write-in is going to win

Wake the hell up!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. No. But, he won't lose because of my vote for him.

No more than your candidate will win or lose because of your vote.

[Hippo_Tron]

26. Sorry but it's vote DemocratIC not vote Democrat

[ileus]

32. I've been a Democrat 20 years, always will be.