Folks! This is exciting stuff. Obama WILL win the nomination

[PretzelWarrior]

It won't be easy at all. There is much to be written in this story before a nominee can be chosen...because I think it will be a pretty even back and forth with Clinton having the "name" and "establishment" advantage and Obama having the "charisma" and $$$$ advantage.

I believe the Democratic fringe and centrist folks are all pretty evenly divided on who to support. I admit Edwards was my first choice, but Obama has always been a close second.

I really think all the Obama and Hillary fans bashing on each other and grabbing for any shred of so-called evidence to make their case that their candidate is so much better is kind of silly.

Obama is TURNING OUT THE VOTE! But so is the desperation of our times. I think if it had been a couple of main line candidates like Biden and Edwards duking it out like Hillary and Barack are....the liveliness of Democrats would not be so high. I think no matter what we say about either candidate, the base is electrified and the GOP has to be staring down the gun barrel right about now.

Nothing could have surprised me more than the conservative base and whackos like Rush getting in line to pile on the candidate most likely to go forward and get the GOP nomination. With the excitement around Dems, quitters on the GOP side of the aisle in congress, issues favoring Dems, and a joke of a group in the GOP Prez race....I am VERY excited for November no matter who ultimately comes out victorious in Denver.

[Donnachaidh]

1. ....

:rofl:

Uhh yeah -- the rotten economy and the housing market has absolutely NOTHING to do with people voting???

:rofl:

[PretzelWarrior]

5. I think I included our desperation at current events as one reason

why the increase. but 2004 primaries saw NOTHING like this kind of activity level nor the amazing disparity between GOP and Dem voters.

[ursi]

6. or our dead soldiers ...

[BlackVelvet04]

2. ........nah.........it's too easy.... n/t

[karlrschneider]

3. Nominate him and lose 50 states in the general.

Don't come crying to me when it happens.

[PretzelWarrior]

7. you really have nothing to base that on

other than your cynical fear baiting or your trauma about past elections.

Obama is pollling EXTREMELY well against McCain. There is no way the people are going to vote in that lying sack o' sh!t. Just not going to happen.

[karlrschneider]

13. Most of the country is not Portland...unfortunately. I base my comments on 50 years

of political awareness and participation. I am not here to pump sunshine up anyone's skirt, I call 'em as I see 'em and anybody who doesn't like it can ignore facts. A lot of people here do that anyway, without my help.

[PretzelWarrior]

16. what do the polls show?

who does better vs. McCain? Clinton or Obama? and where is the link to these polls? Saying he'll lose all 50 states isn't "injecting realism" into the debate. It's being purposefullly pessimistic.

[karlrschneider]

29. The polls are meaningless in this race. Hell's bell's, I'm NOT just being "pessimistic" for the

hell of it, I'm trying to figure out a way for a Democrat to win the White House! All this happy horse-shit about how great Obama does in "red states" means nothing when it comes down to a vote for him or the opposing party's nominee;
it just amazes me how so many DUers think our little group here is in some way representative of Democrats in general, let alone the entire US electorate! You can deprecate flyover country 'til you're blue in the face but I guarantee when the rubber meets the road there is ultimately more rubber than road. You think I'm happy about this? FUCK NO but ignoring facts is one thing that gets people a) in trouble b) pissed off and c) ground under the heels of fascist assholes.

[IronLionZion]

37. I promise no one will come crying to you unless they are John McCain

Because Obama will win with record turnout and deliver downticket races to the Dems even in red states.

[Dogmudgeon]

4. And if he loses it, it means Hillary stole it

It's been turned into half a loaf by the machine that creates lies about the Clintons.

So much for another uniter. Well, at least this one has a brain.

--p!

[PretzelWarrior]

9. what are you talking about? If they somehow change the rules

everyone agreed to and act like Florida and Michigan votes suddenly now count, it would be the height of Bushpublican way of cheating the American people.

Think about it....everyone did as the DNC told them and didn't appear on the ballot in Michigan EXCEPT HILLARY. Now why would she do that? If Obama canvassed through Florida there is NO WAY Hillary would have won by the margin she did.

The only way I agree with seating those delegates is if they put their people through new primaries where it is fair and both candidates have an opportunity to go out equally and ask for people's votes.

[AJH032]

12. it's probably more "Bushpublican" to block MI/FL

considering Bush won by blocking votes (in florida, of all places). It would by the opposite of Bush if Hillary fights to let people's votes count, especially in Florida, where they were all on the ballot.

[PretzelWarrior]

14. how can you say that? really. with a straight face and all

did not the DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE AGREE they would punish those states who put their primaries earlier than Feb 5 who had not already been doing so?

If this hadn't been agreed to by everyone INCLUDING CLINTON then I could see your point. But how in the world do you consider it fair for her to do that? EXPLAIN IT TO A DUMB CULTISH OBAMA SUPPORTER please???!!!?

[PretzelWarrior]

18. still waiting for an answer to my question above

how can you describe a turn of events around seating Mich. and Florida as fair to Obama? How is that not "dirty tricks"?

[thunder rising]

8. Rush has not really enjoyed his job since Bush was selected. He loved bashing Clinton..it was art

And consider that with all the problems that are facing the next President, Rush will be slamming away again.
And to be truthful, this is not going to be a pleasant 4 years. And just maybe the Rush and the Republicans want to wait on the sidelines and criticize; hence setting up their return in 4/8 years.

[PretzelWarrior]

10. spelling error. thought I'd help you out

And just maybe the Rush and the Republicans want to wait on the sidelines and criticize; hence setting up their return in 16 years.

[PretzelWarrior]

11. WOW, Clinton lovers....what is the deal?

I post what I think is a pretty fair notion about both candidates, the excitement around them, etc. and it's nothing but an Obama bash.

[loveangelc]

19. Hillary supporters seem to be angry people. Who knows why.

[PretzelWarrior]

20. is that your pic? WOW WOW!

that is a cute dog! ;) and you're not so bad yourself.

[loveangelc]

21. Thank you :-)

[sam sarrha]

15. i think this was written for you... >>Link>>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4447800

[PretzelWarrior]

17. better than cold calculation and cynicism

nothing really great happened in this country when people were pulling their punches or believing what others told them was and wasn't possible.

I feel sorry for you.

[sam sarrha]

23. i am not calculating, but i am not one to place emotion before reason, i don't like pie in the sky

you are not good at insulting people, which is a blessing, stick to the facts..

i am not cynical either, i gave that up.. it is a poor excuse for having nothing at all to say..

it is just that it was rain'n PEA in here.. i thought it cute, i have a whole lecture on phenol Amines and romantic love.. as an evolutionary mating ritual survival behavior

[mrreowwr_kittty]

28. With the possible exception of sociopaths, everyone operates from emotion before reason. nt

[sam sarrha]

34. do you ever listen to your self.. ?? i dont entirely disagree. Everyone is a bit steep, i know lots

of people who think for themselves, you are obviously not one of them

the apparent fact that you actually believe what you said, since "Everybody" does.. that makes it the 'Right Mind Set'.. sorry it isnt. it is the cause of all the suffering in this world... that emotion validates and solidifies one's concept of Self.. the chains that bind us to Samsara.

you need to learn to meditate, you will learn not to attach emotions to words/concepts/things. but the people who tell you how to think/emote wont let you.. that threatens their reality.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

41. You're overreacting to what I said

It's not that people are incapable of making rational decisions, but that emotions are powerful drivers. And very often what a person convinces him/herself is a logical viewpoint is really the rationalization of an emotional reaction. This is especially true with politics. People support the political party and the candidates who appeal to how they want to feel about themselves, then they look for justifications. This is just as true of the ardent supporters of other candidates as it is of Obama.
BTW, there was no need to be insulting. As a woman, I really hate it when a man will attribute my motivations to emotion and trivialize them, while his actions are always driven by pure logic and reason. When it's clearly obvious that he is driven by emotion as well.

[BlackVelvet04]

22. grasshopper you have much to learn....

about politics.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

24. Would You Put Money On It? n/t

[LordJFT]

25. I would

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

26. And Your Stakes Are?

(I'm goin to bed, but I'll read it in the morning sometime...)

[LordJFT]

30. Idk maybe loser donates like $10 to du or something

[PretzelWarrior]

31. that I like. who's gonna do some wagerin'

put me down for $20. If Obama doesn't win Dem nomination, I'll donate.

[LordJFT]

32. alright cool i'm with you and i'm sure the hillary person can find a partner

Maybe we can get big groups on both sides all chipping in. A great way to support DU!

[TankLV]

27. sure he will - just like Romney and the repukes....

[PretzelWarrior]

33. huh?

wow.

[BigDDem]

35. "Obama is TURNING OUT THE VOTE!"

Hillary is turning out MORE OF THE VOTE!
She got more votes than he did on Super Tuesday, but hey, don't let
facts get in the way of your fantasy.

[Nimrod2005]

36. Agreed...nt

[ananda]

38. Well, let's say that..

.. Obama wins the nomination and becomes
president.

What will Obamanites think or do when he
caters to Reep and corporate whims?

I really don't want either candidate to get
the nomination too easily.. we need a truly
liberal, Democratic buffering agent at play
here.. particularly the influence of anti-
corporatism.

[SammyWinstonJack]

40. That should be interesting. I wonder too.

What will Obamanites think or do when he caters to Reep and corporate whims?

[goodhue]

39. yes, indeed

history in the making