The candidate favored by the upper middle class is raising boatloads of money

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

The candidate favored by the upper middle class is raising boatloads of money.

The candidate whose support comes primarily from lower-income people is having cash problems. Her thin big money support is maxed out, and the millions of people who support her are mostly low income types; working class folks, old people on fixed incomes... you know, losers.

How Hilarious!

No wonder some folks here are so excited.

[ecstatic]

1. Her staff messed up. The other campaigns made it clear that $$$ were needed

through organized email campaigns, etc.

[Kittycat]

2. He's also favored by the "kids, babies, tweenies" etc that HRC fans

have no problem poking fun of.

[smalll]

15. That should be "have no problem poking fun AT" or "no problem MAKING fun of" --

You really need to shore up your idiom expertise, or your SAT scores will suffer!

[Kittycat]

24. SATs? Lovely assumptions there.

I did quite well on my SATs back when I was 16, and graduating HS (a year early). Today I'm 33yo with two degrees, and have never cared much for the grammar police.

[smalll]

27. Your sig line - "'Out of many, we are one.' - Barack Obama."

Wow, now he's stealing lines off currency and Presidential Seals! (Ever heard of "E Pluribus Unum" before?)

[Kittycat]

29. Out of many, One. - E Pluribus Unum

Obama added "We are".

So, what would you like to pick on me about now? And how does that in anyway make you or your candidate a better person for doing so?

[TornadoTN]

46. Just disregard the HRC Trolls

They have nothing of substance to add to this process. They are just taking cues from their masters, Bill and Hill, in how to divide and conquer the Democratic party. Take half of the party with you and alienate & destroy the other half - they don't matter because they'll vote for Hillary anyway! (their traditional thinking)

[smalll]

3. No surprise Obama is pulling in a lot of money now -

Latte Liberals are used to throwing money away at froth!

[joshcryer]

6. Indeed, Obama favors the yuppie vote by 20%.

Look at SF.

[RummyTheDummy]

10. Why don't you call him an Oreo and get it over with.

Because it's obvious that latte photo wasn't selected at random.

[smalll]

22. LOL - yes I selected that one in particular,

because it was the one that came up which sported the most froth on top! (Although I think I may have cheated a tad; according to Google Images, that pic is not exactly of a "Latte" - it's of a "Latte Macchiato" (whatever that may be.) A little surprised that no Obamatron had pointed that out to me yet (maybe you were about to.) Well, at least I've come clean!

[xmas74]

4. I gave her $25 today

and I'm proud I did so.

BTW-I'm one of the working class folk.

[Auntie Bush]

39. I'm one of the old and retired on fixed income and I donated tonight. too.

[xmas74]

45. So there are some on this board

who see both of us as trash.

I don't know-we sound like good people, IMO.

[Recursion]

5. No, Ron Paul is doing fine...

The candidate whose support comes primarily from lower-income people

That's Ron Paul. Clinton's support is old, middle-class, and suburban/exurban.

[Windy]

7. that is clearly a crock of shit. He won the midwest where jobs have been outsourced thanks to Nafta

and where farmers are hurting. He also won rural nevada and rural georgia etc...

That analysis by the pundits who haven't gotten a damn thing right yet in this race are flat out wrong!!

I see and hear from more older career women that are for HRC as well as corporate execs and corporate attorneys..

Maybe her supporters aren't disadvantaged. Maybe the truth is they are either too cheap or too uninspired to work for the candidate and put their money where there mouth is to open their wallet and donate.

[scheming daemons]

8. Successful people have an easier time recognizing other successful people....

..Obama supporters are more educated and successful. We know talent when we see it.


Look at the hiring that each candidate has done for their campaign.

Obama has hired the brilliant Mr. Axelrod to run his campaign.

Hillary has hired the completely incompetent failure Mark Penn.... and also Terry McAuliffe, who was the person most singularly responsible for George W. Bush having 8 years in office.


Their first "executive" decisions and Hillary blew it badly, and Obama hired the best. Shows that Obama will be an effective President, because he'll hire competent people.


Hillary hires just like the current admin.... based on nepotism and friendships, not capabilities.


Hillary is Bush in a pant suit.

[Bluebear]

11. That's telling. So low income people are not "successful". in other words, losers?

Because they don't have the same intellectual gifts? Because they have been held down by race and economics?

"Obama supporters are more educated and successful."

How incredibly arrogant of you.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

12. There have been plenty of "Hillary voters are uneducated" posts over the months

It's not pretty.

[Bluebear]

14. This from the party which once stood for the oppressed, for the average person.

Now the voters of the candidate with the most delegates now are uneducated losers.

[smalll]

30. Here's just one I ran up against within the past 48 hours - word-for-word:

"Obama is for the people who are not already beaten down by life. And yes, you can tell who they are."

[xmas74]

34. Me!

I'm one of those that they so kindly speak of. I'm sure they think of me as "beaten down by life."

[xmas74]

23. Guess I'm one of those losers.

I'm a small-town single parent in a low wage job. Guess who I support?

[Bluebear]

25. You uneducated, unsuccesful drain on society, you.

Can you believe this shit?

[xmas74]

33. Exactly.

I work hard, I pay my bills, I support my daughter.

I volunteer as often as humanly possible. I am very active in my community. And I vote every single time.

I'm more than a bit tired of constantly being told that I am an idiot and a drain on society. Sounds like you understand exactly how I feel.

[SammyWinstonJack]

59. The corprat media said the same of Edwards supporters except that "angry" was thrown in also.

:eyes: And no, I can't believe this shit, either. :puke:

[xmas74]

65. Don't you just love it?

A coworker complained about how he, as an Edwards supporter and new American citizen, was treated. This was his first vote and yes, he voted for Edwards in spirit.

Now he's throwing his hat in the ring with Hillary. I guess he can join me in becoming a "drain on society".

[LostinVA]

54. LOSER!!!!!!!

And, you rooted for Flo, Rob & Ambah, Na Eric and Danielle, too!!!

[xmas74]

64. Romber!

Now them's fighting words!

Put 'em up!

[smalll]

28. Wow. You sure you're not in the wrong party?

Oh, and also: "Obama has hired the brilliant Mr. Axelrod to run his campaign." :rofl: More like, "Mr. Axelrod has hired the brilliant Obama to run for President."

[mondo joe]

47. Wow, the 0bama perspective on the working class is quite Republican. I guess tha explains

the crossover appeal.

[LostinVA]

53. "Obama supporters are more educated and successful"

OMFG

[Unsane]

9. Really? Is that why she's received the most lobbyist money of ANY candidate?

Do'h!!!!

[Colobo]

13. Kurt, you sound so bitter tonight. Why are you so angry?

[Unsane]

17. because his candidate is losing

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

26. The latest round of "my voters won't vote for you" extortion has me pissed off.

For Obama to argue electability is indecent.

Hillary cannot argue his electablity because the media would go nuts that she was being a racist.

But he's free to argue it, knowing nobody will question it.

So the deal is that we cannot have an open discussion of electability until it's too late.

I am also pissed that so many Obama supporters today have been gleefully all but boasting that the Democratic party would be torn apart at the convention. The prevailing idea is not that Hillary can't win in 2008, but that Obama supporters will make it their business to assure she doesn't, even if she's nominated... I won't vote, I'll vote third party, blacks will never vote for a Clinton (!!), we will tear the party apart at the convention, etc..

But mostly, I am fucking fed up with these supposed progressives arguing in so many words that elections should go to whoever has the most money! I would never argue that, in any context about any candidate.

It's a dark day.

[demokatgurrl]

52. Agreed- and these are the people

who voted for Nader and gave us bush because they were too good to vote for the ______________ Kerry (fill in with words from Repug brainwashing sessions via MSM).

[NJSecularist]

16. Good grief. Hillary is worth millions

and some of you are complaining about her money.

Give me a freaking break..

It's not Obama's fault that he has done a better job mobilizing his support to donate for him.

[Occam Bandage]

18. She's raised more lobbyist money than anyone; she should try hitting them up again.

[Hippo_Tron]

19. Funny, on another thread they're saying Obama is convincing people to donte who can't afford it

I'm confused...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4449334&mesg_id=4449402

[BootinUp]

20. woohoo GoBama!! nt

[tammywammy]

21. The way majority of people that have donated to Obama are small donors

Only 3% of his total contributions are maxed out, unlike Hillary. Most of his donor give less than $200.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8374.html

[femrap]

31. Americans are some of the stupidest

people on this planet....and what is so funny...they're proud of it.

[Andy823]

32. So let's see now

The "candidate" who has gotten more money from lobbyists, drug companies, insurance companies, etc., who thinks lobbyists are "just" people like you and I, is not the candidate of the "poor" and working class? Wow, talk about some kind of "spin"!

I don't have a horse in this race any longer, but this has got to be the dumbest spin I have heard in a long time! :rofl:

Maybe she should stop paying all that money to Penn and his lobbying buddies for advice!

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[LittleClarkie]

44. Then how do you answer this from the Chicago Tribune?

"During January, Obama outraised Clinton by more than 2-to-1, bringing in a staggering $32 million in contributions to $13.5 million for Clinton and expanding his donor base to more than 650,000 contributors, according to aides to both candidates. Unlike the Clinton campaign, which depends heavily on wealthy contributors who have already reached the $2,300 legal maximum they can give to a candidate, Obama relies more on small-dollar donors who can keep giving."

[mondo joe]

57. Simple: you're confusing donation levels with donor income.

I can show you with some simple math, if it helps.

But even if a small percentage of Clinton donors max out, 0bama donors have greater capacity to make mid level gifts because so many of Clinton's can't give at all (or only in very minor $ amounts).

[mondo joe]

50. Why ask other DUers when you can look at the exit polling yourself?

[robbedvoter]

36. Yup. The rich have more money than the poor - see a sample post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4447735&mesg_id=4447778
Instead, I took a $50 bill and flushed it down the toilet

It was more satisfying and it did about as much good."

Considering I had to do without some to donate, this post made me feel...well, the old contempt and arrogance

[csorman]

37. This doesn't make any fucking sense.

She won in California, New York, MA, New Jersey - HARDLY lands of no money and no upper class. Come on, can we get a real, informed argument or just knee-jerk reactions here?

[LostinVA]

56. Those are also heavily blue collar and union states

And AR, OK, and TB are quite working class.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

38. I thought Obama was getting lots of votes from college kids and black folk

I don't think college kids have that much money to spend on donations and they certainly are not the monied class.

[LittleClarkie]

40. Okay, and so where do you get that info from?

Show me where Obama's support is mainly upper middle class, and Hillary's is mostly poorer folks.

Links perhaps?

And are you really trying to tell me that being broke at this point in the campaign is a GOOD thing? And to have donations pouring in is actually BAD? Do tell. DO tell.

[Blondiegrrl]

41. Nice try, but you fail

"During January, Obama outraised Clinton by more than 2-to-1, bringing in a staggering $32 million in contributions to $13.5 million for Clinton and expanding his donor base to more than 650,000 contributors, according to aides to both candidates. Unlike the Clinton campaign, which depends heavily on wealthy contributors who have already reached the $2,300 legal maximum they can give to a candidate, Obama relies more on small-dollar donors who can keep giving."

Source: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-hillary-clinton-loans-to-campaign-feb07,1,6070958.story

[LittleClarkie]

42. Well, that newspaper is obviously biased in favor of Obama

You can tell by the way they're taking HIS side.

[mondo joe]

49. You have confused the donors with the giving levels.

Sure - Hillary has a number of wealthy donors who have maxed out. But she has a lot of working class voters who can't do that or anything close to it.

0bama donors might not max out as often, but more of them have the means to make more mid range contributions.

[demokatgurrl]

48. Yes, that SHOULD be telling-

who is the real progressive in this race? Who reaches the lower working classes? Clinton.
Obama is all exciting and new and young and glitzy and polished, and is doing a good thing: getting the apathetic youth in the country to wake up, and giving African Americans a viable African American candidate. And he's not all bad.

But progressive? Please. The DLC is probably a little too left wing for him.

[cali]

51. Your post is belied by facts.

You really are losing perspective now that you're in Hillary's camp.

He has garned over twice as many small donations as she has. She may be favored by lower income people but her campaign is largely financed by the wealthy. Sorry, that's just a fact.

[mondo joe]

55. You're confusing donaton amounts with income of donors.

Regardless of the financing, it is te working class who favors Hillary.

[cali]

62. Actually, I'm not. There is no way for either of us to know the incomes

of those donating, but we can make a few tentative conclusions: People donating the full amount allowed under the law are NOT low income. And Hillary has many, many times more of those contributions than Barack.

[mondo joe]

63. We don't know the income levels of donors, but we have good data on the income

levels of voters.

Yes, we can conclude that maxed out donors are not low income.

But even if HRC has many more of those, it doesn't mean her supporters are broadly higher income.

[Alamom]

60. Fact: Lower income people favor Hillary. They also cannot afford to donate to her campaign.

I know many who support her & voted for her but don't have a dime to give.

That's my "reality" perspective.



"He has garned over twice as many small donations as she has"

Obviously, by people who "can" afford donations.

[Mass]

58. Sad, sad post. I have a college degree and have been out of a job for 2 years and I support Obama

in part because Hillary is favoring sending jobs to India, where my job went. Is that clear enough for you!

[workinclasszero]

61. No sale

This thread is full of failure. I'm a blue-collar wage slave and have been all my life. Only difference between me and you is I recognize a movement when I see it!

The peoples candidate is Obama. The washington insider, lobbyist candidate is Hillary. Only the willfully blind cant see that.

This is PEOPLE power on display and the establishment hacks hate and fear the people. Some things never change.