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catagory5 Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:48 PM
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Clinton WAY ahead in Ohio: Obama's failure to win support from even one in five Ohio
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/polls/pdfs/columbus-pos-dispatch-january23to31-2008-ohio-polls.pdf




DISPATCH POLL
Clinton, McCain have edge in Ohio
Sunday, February 3, 2008 3:42 AM
BY DARREL ROWLAND
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
Barack Obama has convinced Iowa, South Carolina and even
Teddy Kennedy.
But the Illinois senator has yet to make the sale in Ohio.
A new Dispatch Poll shows New York Sen. Hillary Clinton holds
more than a 2-to-1 lead over Obama among Ohio Democrats.
Meanwhile, Buckeye State Republicans favor Arizona Sen. John
McCain by 6 points over former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt
Romney.
Although Ohioans have seen little firsthand of the intensely
competitive 2008 presidential campaign, that almost certainly
will change if the race stretches beyond this week's Super
Tuesday contests in multiple states across the country.
Ohio's March 4 primary date, which it shares with Texas and
two smaller states, would become by far the biggest delegate prize
left in the campaign.
Obama's failure to win support from even one in five Ohio
Democrats is the poll's most striking finding. He barely beat
former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, who withdrew last
week. The poll included all candidates who qualified for the Ohio
ballot; those who have quit the race have until 4 p.m. Monday to
withdraw their names officially.
Clinton benefited from an overwhelming poll response from
women, who make up two-thirds of her support, to build a
23-point lead over Obama.
"I like her determination when she chooses an issue. She's
methodical," said poll participant Janet E. Cook, a Mount Vernon
real-estate agent. "I would like to see some major changes and
want someone who can get change accomplished in Congress."
She looks back fondly on the '90s and the presidency of Bill
Clinton.
"I had pretty good times during the Clinton years," said Cook,
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54. "It was good for me and my kids going to college. Things have
changed."
Obama supporters, who held their first Ohio organizational
meeting yesterday in Columbus, say he will make enormous gains
once he starts campaigning here. And the poll only reflects
partisan registered voters; Obama has benefited from a surge
among independents in several early-primary states (as has
McCain).
Ohio law allows voters to ask for whichever party's ballot they
want. However, if that request doesn't match their current party
registration, they might be required to sign a statement swearing
that they adhere to the principles of their "new" party -- although
such challenges are rare. The voter also becomes officially
registered with the "new" party.
Elizabeth Phelps, 51, a homemaker from Xenia, said she will
vote for Obama because "he's really about bringing change for
people."
"We've had the same old stuff for so many years. I think if
Hillary gets in, it's going to be the same thing we had before."
Phelps likes Obama's sincerity. "I think even without
experience, his good qualities are getting through to people. We
need to vote for whoever is going to get in there and do the job.
We can't use race. We can't use male or female."
Democratic respondent Mary Ann Riesbeck, a 30-year-old
elementary-school teacher from Reynoldsburg, is torn between
Obama and Clinton.
Riesbeck said the nation was in much better shape when
President Clinton was in office, but she doesn't really like Mrs.
Clinton.
"She's a little pushy for my liking," Riesbeck said.
On the other hand, she doesn't agree with all of Obama's
positions. Riesbeck plans to research the candidates' positions on
the Internet and consult with family members before deciding.
Republican voters who say immigration is the most important
issue favor Romney; those who choose another issue all line up
behind McCain.
Andrew V. Cahill, 43, a Republican from Batavia in
southwestern Ohio, said he backs McCain because "overall I think
he's got the most experience on a national level."
Cahill said he likes McCain's national security expertise and his
emphasis on curbing excessive federal spending and pork-barrel
congressional projects.
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HOW THE POLL WAS
CONDUCTED
The Dispatch Poll was based on
returns from 2,156 registered
Democratic voters and 2,139
registered Republican voters who
say they intend to vote in Ohio's
primary election on March 4.
The Dispatch obtained a
computerized list of all registered
voters in Ohio from the secretary of
state. Those who had not voted
since 2003 were eliminated. A
Dispatch computer then randomly
chose who would receive poll ballots,
which included the names of all
presidential candidates who qualified
for the official Ohio ballot.
Voters receiving the ballots were
asked to describe themselves by
party affiliation, age, sex, race,
education, income, religion, union
membership and the candidates they
voted for in the 2004 presidential
contest and 2006 governor's race.
Ballots of different colors were
mailed to various regions of the state
so The Dispatch could ensure that
each area was represented in
proportion to its actual voting
strength. The areas, patterned on
groupings of the state's six major
media markets, are: northeast (20
counties); central (20 counties);
southwest (eight counties);
northwest (12 counties); west central
(14 counties); and southeast (14
counties).
The standard margin of sampling
error in a poll of the size conducted
by The Dispatch is plus or minus 2
percentage points in 95 out of 100
cases. This means that if a poll is
conducted 100 times, in 95 cases
the result will not vary by more than
2 percentage points from the result
that would be obtained if all
registered Democratic and
Sally Key, 58, a Westerville homemaker who has a degree in
marketing, likes Romney's proven expertise in the private sector.
"To say that Gov. Romney has been successful in all that he has
pursued is quite an understatement," she said. "He has
overachieved and exceeded expectations -- even his own -- at
every turn. His business experience is proof that he knows how to
take a poorly functioning organization and turn it into a
productive enterprise. Is that skill ever needed in D.C.!"
Ohio's GOP contest likely will be decided by the 25 percent still
undecided.
One of them is Jack W. Render, 68, of Salem in northeastern
Ohio, who says he's never missed an election since he was old
enough to vote.
A self-described "ultraconservative," the retired General Motors middle-manager said the favorite
of many social conservatives, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, isn't a great choice, although
he'd make a good vice president.
Render, a veteran, said he respects McCain's military service, but he said the longtime senator is
too steeped in the Washington culture and harbors liberal views on such topics as illegal
immigration and gay marriage.
Romney's religion is a deal-breaker for Render.
"I know that Mr. Romney is a Mormon," said Render, a Protestant. "He can call himself a
Christian all he wants, but it's not a Christian faith."
Nancy Nanes, 49-year-old accountant from Lake Milton near Youngstown, is another Republican
weighing her choices.
"I'm concerned that some of them are supporters of President Bush, and I'm not at all happy with
what he's doing with the war," she said. "I tend to lean toward McCain, but his age is a big concern
of mine."
Although she'll remain a Republican in the primary, Nanes said she is considering, for the first
time in her life, voting for a Democrat for president -- possibly Hillary Clinton.
The mail poll of 2,156 Democratic voters and 2,139 Republican voters was conducted Jan. 23
through Thursday. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 2 percentage points.
Dispatch reporters Catherine Candisky, Alan Johnson, James Nash, Mark Niquette, Jonathan
Riskind, Jim Siegel and Jack Torry contributed to this story.
drowland@dispatch.com
Copyright © 2008, The Columbus Dispatch
Republican voters in Ohio were
polled and responded. Error margins
are greater for poll subsamples,
such as female voters.
Like all polls, the Dispatch Poll is
subject to possible error other than
sampling error. Other sources of
error include unintentional bias in the
wording of questions, data entry
error and nonresponse bias.
Nonresponse bias means those who
responded might not necessarily
reflect the views of those who did not
participate. The response rate for
both Democrats and Republicans
was 28 percent.
The poll was designed, conducted
and financed solely by The Dispatch.
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:49 PM
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1. what about all those largely black precincts who went for John Kerry but got screwed?
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RockyTorres Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:12 AM
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14. Don't forget Stephanie Tubbs Jones
She is the black congresswoman from Cleveland (which is primarily black). She is very influential in the Black vote and Democratic party and is an avid Hillary backer.
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:17 AM
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24. A lot of the black establishment in SC supported Sen Clinton...
and look where that got her.
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RockyTorres Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:21 AM
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29. Historically, whoever Tubbs Jones backs carries the black vote
Not sure how it works in S. Carolina, but that has how it has been here. Not considering that it is a black Presidential candidate...So we will have to see...
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:49 PM
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2. Lets see that Poll after he starts hitting every part of that state.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:50 PM
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3. The Ohio primaries are a month away.
Anybody else find it funny how Hillary has these huge leads based on her name alone and she still can't manage to keep them come polling day?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:50 PM
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4. Watch him. Just watch him.
Yes, HE can.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:50 PM
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5. You're New To This Posting Thingy, Right ???
:shrug:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:15 AM
Response to Reply #5
19. you don't learn posting till you get to Cat 6
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:21 AM
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28. hahahahhaha
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:28 AM
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30. You have got to be kidding, I heard a lot of funny shit today
1) Clinton campaign touts greater experience and runs out of money

2) Did we forget to tell all of the voters on ST that we were running on borrowed money?

3) Did we forget to tell you that money was from a $ 20,000,000 business deal old Bill did in Dubai -got paid for doing nothing.

4) Obama folks bragged that they would raise $ 5 million in one day and the blew past $ 6

5) Morale is high at Clinton headquarters where staff not only are not going to be paid they are going to clean out their savings so that Mark Penn gets his $4.3 million

6) Conservatives are lining up after Coulter to claim they are voting Clinton over McCain

7) Clinton tells press conference that she is forgoing small states and caucuses so she can get a better return of investment

8) Clinton charges Obama will raise taxes $ 1 trillion http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/youve_got_mailers_1.html

9) Clinton supporters think their new contributions will go for new campaigning and not paying back the loan.

10) any post by "a girl"

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:52 PM
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6. Copyright infringement!
That's all I see here. :shrug:
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catagory5 Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:53 PM
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8. yeah im new . what did I do wrong please tell.
.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:08 AM
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12. I think the rule is limiting yourself to quoting exactly 3 or 4 paragraphs
of an article -- I stick with 3 since I can never remember which is correct -- and then inserting a link to the balance.

Sam
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:11 AM
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13. You can only post 4 paragraphs, per fair use rules. Link to the rest. nt
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:52 PM
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7. Obama will have a very hard sale in Ohio and Pennsylvania
So if he pulls either one off it should be a very good sign for his chances in the GE.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:12 AM
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16. By the time March 4th rolls around....
....Obama will have won 9 out of the last 10 contests and have a 100-150 delegate lead.

People go to the front-runner... especially when the "challenger" is a tired old campaign without cash.


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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:20 AM
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27. The money will be huge
If his perceived momentum dries up rank and file donors, she's in trouble by the time the 4th rolls around ("Stupor Tuesday"?) I wouldn't have thought this would be an issue until Obama raised 6 mil in 24 hours today.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:20 AM
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32. Hillary has that Fat Pig, Brooklyn Carpetbagger Rendell backing Her
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 03:21 AM by GalleryGod
Obama will shoot for the Western Part of the State and KILL her in PHILLY & PITTSBURGH.
EVEN delegate Split= bleeding,bleeding,bleeding!
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:48 AM
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37. Philly will go overwhelmingly for Obama
and he'll do well in the more conservative areas of the state like Harrisburg, Wilkes-Barre, and Scranton
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:53 PM
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9. Ohio is almost a month away
Obama will pick up steam, don't worry.
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RockyTorres Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:13 AM
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17. But as in all elections will determine the final outcome :)
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557188 Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:53 PM
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10. Ohio is Clinton territory
Seriously, you people have no idea just how pro Clinton this state is.

I live here...I know. :)
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:12 AM
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15. I don't know...
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 12:13 AM by sad_one
I live here too

and in my (small) workgroup all the dems are decided or leaning towards Obama. Unfortunately we're way outnumbered by freepers.


I actually had a guy at work tell me right before christmas that we found WMD in Iraq and that Saddam was behind 9-11???!!!!
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RockyTorres Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:17 AM
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23. Typical Ohio...Where do you live in the state?
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RockyTorres Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:16 AM
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20. I do to and am a supporter but don't count Obama out to soon
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 11:55 PM
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11. Here we go with more bullshit polls
Will it ever stop?
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RockyTorres Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:15 AM
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18. I am a Hillary supporter from Ohio
but I have to agree...the race will be alot harder than that for her here in Ohio...Don't forget OSU which is a HUGE institution and will probably go very pro-Obama!
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:17 AM
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22. Let's see how that poll is looking in a month especially if Obama
picks up some of these next few states.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:16 AM
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21. welcome to DU now if Obama gets 40% that shows he has MO right? nt
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:17 AM
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25. At this point she needs OH as a firewall
If she has at least a strong showing on the Potomac (I don't think anyone is looking for wins there, though VA is within reason) and can hold off until the 4th, TX and OH can get her the initiative back.
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RockyTorres Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:19 AM
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26. 100% Correct..Any carries in the Potomac would be a bonus for her
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:18 AM
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31. NO MOney Vs. Wall-toWall : TKO
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 03:18 AM by GalleryGod
It's ALI she's in the ring with...all 15 rounds, OLD LADY.

Your legs are shot all ready!
He's gonna close both eyes in the next 5 primaries!
Maybe break you nose in OHIO.

Say good night OLD lady!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:28 AM
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33. your post is offensive
Your using violent language straight out of the abuse handbook. Break her nose? Old lady? Close both eyes?

That's sick shit. And it's violently sexist. It really reflects something ugly. If I were you, I'd apologize and delete. Ugh.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:30 AM
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34. I'M sick!
I just ALERTED on your Flaming ASS...how's that?
Get over yourself,this is a WAR...I missed your sevice?
Oh, you were in diapers, Hothead Cali.

Grab some decaf.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:48 AM
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36. LOL. You alerted on my post telling you that your post was violently sexist
this is not a fucking war genius, it's an election. And I said nothing in my post that was remotely alertable. Your post was repugnant. I stand by that. And I hope a lot of people see it, and condemn it.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:33 AM
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35. Obama was once 20 points behind in New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada too.
A poll taken before Super Tuesday isn't going to mean a thing on March 4.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 04:01 AM
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38. The trend with Obama seems to be
That the more he campaigns in states the better he does in them. Clinton has started with a high level of name-recognition support in just about every state so far, but Obama has closed the gap in all of them, and in several cases winning by significant margins.

Combine this with the fact that Obama could very well sweep the rest of the February states, and this poll basically doesn't mean a thing.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 04:32 AM
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39. Just a thought, but the date of the article is Feb. 3rd, two days before
the Feb 5th states' outcomes.

States holding primaries subsequent to Feb. 5th are only just now seeing candidates accelerate their efforts.

Likely the ads will begin, more yard signs will start popping up, local media will clamor for interviews, and so on.

As for polling, that Feb. 3rd poll served as a snapshot of the electorate, more or less, prior to events shaping what's to come.

Just my take.
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