Super Tuesday proved Hillary cannot win the General Election

[socalover]

She will win her home state of New York and California with her Hispanic support.

Outside of those two states, she might lose every other one in a general election.

It is clear that Obama attracts Independents and swing votes necessary to win a general election.

For these reasons, Obama will win the remaining states and come out victorious but I feel the Clinton mafia might bamboozle the Superdelegates to their corner.

In the end, the only way Billary will win the general election if she is "selected" the nominee by the Superdelegates, is if she begs Obama to be her VP.

[jlake]

1. Facts to back up your opinion?

[Dogmudgeon]

3. Why can't Obama supporters back up their assertions?

They have extremely strong opinions -- but as a group, they are unable to explain why.

No rancor. I am truly curious now. As time goes on, their movement becomes less able to provide substantive reasons for believing.

And when was the last time in a democracy a politician created a social movement to get elected?

--p!

[harrytruman]

30. pay the speechwriter.....

ever invoking JFK, or MLK....(pssst, if you look into MLK BRIEFLY, you'll see that he was no saint either...).....but let's NOT be negative.
....Obama is as much a political machine as any dynasty in recent history. do the research, it's there for the finding......
THINK a moment....the mindset that carved the Reagan-era deficite to a surplus is but a vote away (and if i was concerned about who or whom they slept with, i'm pretty sure i wouldn't be on this particular website to begin with...)
WE KNOW Hillary has vast knowledge of what it took to fix things then......i'd like to do that again please?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

6. Good luck with that!

[LakeSamish706]

2. I agree, and in addition to what you have said... Obama makes in-roads every day...

He has Charisma and seems to appeal to younger people/voters on a daily basis. He is a refreshing change for certain.

[CyberPieHole]

7. Obama doesn't do well with the Latino/Hispanic community and fails with LGBTQ as well...

not to mention the Asian community. But Obama doesn't need them. He's got the Reagan repubs.:evilgrin:

[TankLV]

16. and don't forget the homophobic evangelical BIGOTS!!!!

obama's "outreach" to the BIGOTS is WORKING!!!

I hear he's going after the KKK next...!

I'm kidding - he's BLACK so he'll NEVER seek out the racists...he's NOT gay, so gays are fair game and he can FUCK us over...

[krkaufman]

23. What? Is that a new sandwich? Does it have pork in it?

You know muslims can't eat pork.

[CyberPieHole]

37. Yes. The "LGBTQ community" is a "new sandwich". Sad, you and Obama reject a segment of society...

you are all about "hope" but only if one is heterosexual. Or if one has "prayed away the gay". Thanks for mocking the LGBTQ community. But then, we know all about Donnie McClurkin and Obama's stance on civil liberties for others who differ from him.

[krkaufman]

39. You seriously need to rent or borrow a sense of humor for a bit.

No "community" is being mocked. "LGBTQ" is a term I've never seen used. Anywhere. The "Q" is new, at least relative to any news streams I monitor.

[bellasgrams]

8. Change, may not be the kind of change you want. As far as

charisma I can't see it. His looking down his nose at people, and his whinny, nasty remarks have sullied any charisma he may have had. Actually he is closer to Bush's idealism than a dem, he said as much himself when drooling over Reagan. Hillary is the one that can bring change, she'll know what to do.

[LakeSamish706]

10. Oh, but your candidate has huge charisma and especially with this..

hanging over her head...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I&feature=related

And as many times as I have kicked this, no one seems to have a direct response to it... Duh... I don't see and can't see anyone putting forth an argument in Hillary's defense on this.

Oh and by the way, I am going to keep on posting this until November 08.

[harrytruman]

25. when i was 14......

i used to pull this girl out of her bedroom window and have my way with her on the hood of her father's car. did i have ANY idea that when in 08 she might come forward and try to burn me as i ran for the local Rotary?
get yer head out of yer ass Nostradamus......we're talking RIGHT NOW!!
I really really don't care whom she fucked, who may have said she fucked-over, who might might have been blessed with her fucking.
I'LL GO REALLY REALLY slow so you can catch up okay?...the '90's were good, this is bad.
did i go too fast for you?
wake-up......let's do right now okay?

[Rageneau]

38. This nasty,, wingnut-sponsored film has been debunked all over the web.

For example, at:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/crooked_claims_about_clinton.html

Meanwhile, some reviews:

"If you liked, 'The Clinton Chronicles,' you'll love this film." --Jerry Falwell

"As good a piece of unsubstantiated wingnut trash as was ever thrown at the Clintons." -- Doug from Upland (Free Republic)

"I laughed, I cried, I laughed, I shrieked, I slobbered, I swallowed my tongue, I finally took my meds." -- Ann the man Coulter.

To the poster of these lies, You can go on posting this as long as you want. Just understand that no one but you believes it, and the only reason that YOU believe it is that thete's something wrong with you.

[harrytruman]

29. Obama is like Bush in a similar way.....

....Carl Rove and Cheney were the hand up Shrub's ass making his lips move....Jesse Jackson will be the hand up Obama's ass, as it is now.
Do you really think all of that support in SC and Georgia and Al was because Ted Kennedy hopped on-board?....jeeez dude, you need a proctologist to cure a headache!

[NJSecularist]

4. Hillary will the Northeast and California

and a few other select states.

That's about it.

[jsamuel]

5. Clinton won AR, OK, TN, and tied in MO - states we have a chance at

Obama won states that we will not win like GA, AL, UT, and ID

[krkaufman]

24. Lather, rinse, repeat.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4431819&mesg_id=4434214

[guruoo]

9. TN primary voting results cast doubt on your theory

Precincts
Tennessee
Updated 12:27 p.m. EST, Feb 6, 2008
100% reporting

Huckabee 189,443
McCain 174,763
Romney 129,722
Total 493,928

Clinton 332,599
Obama 250,730
Edwards 27,644
Total 610,973


http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#TN

[samrock]

11. She would win same as Obama

The country is in SUCH horrible shape.. She is a good campainger.. The Country will elect either her or Obama.. The country will just not put up with another 4 years of wars based on lies.. tax cuts for the rich..

[Proud2BAmurkin]

12. That is one sorry analysis

[Zynx]

13. Primary victories prove approximately, well, nothing.

[TankLV]

14. only in your delusion...

enjoy is while you can...

[MagsDem]

15. Now if only facts existed to support your dearest wishes

We'd all have ponies. :)

[rodeodance]

17. you can get a crystal ball for a few bucks--bet the IP has one.

[Qanisqineq]

18. that is not "proof"

no where does that "prove" that those voting for Obama would not vote for Clinton in the GE.

I'm not arguing whether or not Obama could win the GE or Clinton could win the GE or who would be more likely to win. But Super Tuesday "proved" nothing of the sort.

[Rowdyboy]

19. I'm not fond of Clinton but this crap is pathetic.....Your "proof" is horseshit speculation

that makes no sense.

[onenote]

20. Let's hear it for the hit and run poster!!

I'm voting for Obama next week, but its despite nonsense like this, not because of it.

[El Pinko]

21. DEMOCRATS IN RED STATES VOTED FOR OBAMA! Therefore repugs & Independents will too!!!

:sarcasm: talk about a leap of logic.

Honestly, I don't think the super tuesday results prove a single thing one way or the other about which candidate will do better in the GE.

Obama did better in states where blacks make up a large proportion of democrats.

Clinton did better in other states.

It was a draw in terms of proving general election viability.

One of these two candidates needs to punch through with something that will make people take notice.



I agree that Clinton and Obama should run on the same ticket however this pans out, and I don't think either of them will need to "beg".

[harrytruman]

35. Clinton did better in other states?

....jesus fucking christ!
You're really unable to say something that might be implicated as racist?....
if Jesse Obama.......ahem, Barack..(sorry...)...wasn't the underdog???
PLEASE vote for something that will work post-hast?

[El Pinko]

36. Speak English - you're not making a lick of sense.

I'm not avoiding saying anything.

Hillary did well with a diverse group of people - gays, hispanics, asians and in California, young voters.

Saying "other states" is quicker than running through the whole list.

Nothing racist about that abbreviation at all, but as for your out-of-nowhere mentioning of Jesse Jackson...

I don't understand your comparison of Obama and Jackson - they couldn't possibly be more different.

And no, I don't think there was an underdog - all the media were predicting a dead heat and that's what we got.

Obama, the underdog was weeks ago.

For such an emphathetic post, yours sure is incoherent.

[TreasonousBastard]

22. So what the fuck am I supposed to do about it?

[Thrill]

26. Here are the Facts

The Repukes can't stand Hillary. She is exactly what they need to energize their base behind McCain. She isn't attractive at all to Independents.

The media loves McCain. Her supporters claim the media doesn't like her.

Add it up and she can't win a GE.

These are FACTS

[LadyVT]

27. ? Because all Obama supporters will vote McCain???

This make no sense. So many democrats are voting this year, the democrats don't need a single republican to win.

[harrytruman]

32. mindless ploy...

to scare you into voting for him......go with what you know worked.

[StevieM]

28. OK, let's look at Missouri, a state Barak won

Barak dominated in the cities--the Democratic stronghold. Hillary won in the red counties.

If it had been the other way around the media would have talked about it endlessly. But then again, they are as shameless as Obama.

Steve

[harrytruman]

31. can you say Jesse Jackson?

....Obama is Jesse......trace back the money!....no?.......what?....it'll be months before that can happen!......ahhh, me thinks a strategy invoked?
SSDD.....Obama will spend years saying WTF as his tenure in the Whitehouse erodes to days, and Hillary will be thinking "i told ya so"
WE NEED CHANGE THAT WILL WORK............NOW, RIGHT FUCKING NOW!....
Senator Obama is a nice guy, but we all know what happens to nice guys in the end. Let's put power back into the Whitehouse with a sane agenda, one that not only speaks of ideals, but one that knows.

[Apollo11]

33. I agree that a Clinton Obama ticket would win in November.

But I don't believe that John McCain would win 48 States against Hillary Clinton.

[harrytruman]

34. yeah right.....

we should be so lucky to have sanity back in the Whitehouse rather than a bumbling virgin on the phone with Jesse Jackson every day asking,"what do i do now?"
if you take the teleprompters away with their smoothly honed well-paid for words, you'll see a man saying,"present!"
but not for long. The GOP agenda RIGHT NOW is how to strip his flesh off in tiny bits. Not so with Hillary......she's been where they are, and they know it. she has the GOP's respect because she had the guts to go against them in the 90's.
the 90's were good. i was there!