Who faces more prejudices ?

[AGirl]

Poll question: Who faces more prejudices ?

“I met more discrimination as a woman, than for being black,” Ms. Chisholm once said.

[LowerManhattanite]

1. re-boot n/t

[Fovea]

2. John Edwards.

Anyone who has paid attention to the debates surely sees that.

[AGirl]

3. Oh cmon.

[EdwardWilbur]

4. I think it's disingenuous to make a post asking a question and then adding a quote favoring your

position in the same post.

To answer your question, it is my belief that blacks have faced more prejudices throughout history and still do. To think otherwise would be unhistorical blatantly false.

[tblue]

8. But in the case of this election, people are tougher on Hillary as a woman than on Barak as a

black man. People openly and relentlessly criticize her voice, her appearance, her cleavage, and other aspects related to her gender. No one is harping on Barak for being black, at least not publicly and certainly not to this degree.

[AGirl]

12. barrack is racially mixed, he can transcend race, women are always women.

[newmajority]

45. Transcend race?

You mean he can pretend to be "white"? Not in this country, he can't. The people who care about Melanin levels in skin, consider you to be "Black" if you have any significant portion of African ancestry. Would Halle Berry be considered "black" in Africa?

[joshcryer]

9. That's completely untrue, throughout the world women are still slaves.

C'mon.

[EdwardWilbur]

14. No. I will not come on.

Let's compare the income made by the average white woman and compare that with that of a black man (because you are comparing Hillary to Obama in the original post) and see who earns more.

Or, let's compare the amount of prison time each gets for committing the same offense.

Or... let's compare the amount of racial profiling.

Or... let's consider the amount of biggotry each has faced. In America, is there an organisation such as the Klan that violently and maliciously kills white women?

Or... let's consider worldwide, which racial demographic is the poorest? Hint: Let's look at Africa.

What are you serious?

[joshcryer]

17. You don't understand, women make up 50% of humanity.

Thus whatever demographic you can muster, women are still *still* worse off than the men. Period. A black woman is worse off than a black man.

[EdwardWilbur]

20. Can't you read? The original poster was making the distinction between WHITE women and BLACK men

Not all women. A white woman is better off than a black man. A white woman is better off than a black woman.

This is all common sense, people.

[AGirl]

22. Barack is half white half black, just noting.

[joshcryer]

25. That's not the distinction I was getting.

I saw it as woman vs black, considering the quote in question was a black woman!

[AGirl]

26. well, I am asking about Hillary and Obama specifically, as indicated in my poll.

[joshcryer]

28. OK then. EdwardWilbur was the one projecting.

He thinks black people have it worse than white women. Probably true. But not worse than women which the poll more accurately reflects.

[EdwardWilbur]

29. Unfortunately for you, the person in the poll is not a black woman.

You can't compare Hillary as a black woman to Barack as a black man... because it would be untrue.

Oh, and, for those people who don't believe me that blacks have had it bad back then:


Click that link if you've got the stomach to handle it.


I am shocked that people have so quickly forgot about this.

[AGirl]

32. I didn't forget anything. Your implication is incorrect.

[tblue]

5. No contest. It's harder for the woman.

[AGirl]

6. I certainly think so.

[EdwardWilbur]

7. Are you serious? What happened to slavery? Which racial group is most unfairly

treated by the law? Why are we dismissing these things?

[LowerManhattanite]

10. OP's an automated bot...

Nuance is not written into it's operating system—if you know what I mean. :)

[adabfree]

37. Not even close

[Fovea]

41. Let us test this assertion

Ask yourself, when forced to analyze two such differently selected groups (ie one is a race of which there are several, one is a gender, of which three are recognized), which of these two groups:

Has a lower life expectancy?

Has a higher percentage of members in prison?

Suddenly the reason why your initial question borders on the absurd becomes clear. One of these two groups is deeply intersected with the other, and one comprises 50% of the population.

So how can one compare the % of African Americans in prison to the number of females in prison?

Well, you can't. Not meaningfully.

But one can see fairly easily how the MSM shut off the mikes on anything to the left of Obama. One of my friends from the Netherlands jokingly asked me if BillO had been named head of MiniTruth.

[FrenchieCat]

11. Yep.....that's why Black men where hung for even looking at a White Woman.....

as recently as the 1960s, a year before Barack's birth.

But boy....let's not talk about that kind of discrimination. :eyes:

[AGirl]

13. I think Barack would face more discrimination if he was completely black.

[MidwestTransplant]

15. To people who would discriminate half black is not different than 100% black.

[AGirl]

16. I do think lighter skin blacks tend to get better treatment than the darker ones.

http://current.com/items/76353822_color_struck

[EdwardWilbur]

18. Once again, your post was saying which group gets more discriminated

White women (Hillary)or black men (Obama).

Had your post included non-white women, I may have agreed with you. But as of now, it is historically inaccurate to say white women have had it harder than black men.

That is just history. Period.

[AGirl]

21. I am not talking about historical prejudices. I am talking today's prejudices.

And my point was that Barack probably face less prejudices because he is not completely black. I have no *facts* to prove that Hillary faces more prejudices than Barack, it's just what I think.

[ProSense]

23. Hillary is

not a victim

[FrenchieCat]

27. Emmit Till wasn't that dark and had hazel eyes. That didn't help him.

On Sept. 19, 1955, two white men went on trial in Sumner, Miss., for the slaying of Emmett Till, a black 14-year-old from Chicago. Author David Halberstam would call it the first great media event of the civil rights movement – and with good reason.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/points/stories/DN-fluornoy_25edi.ART.State.Edition1.327bfbe.html&h=443&w=350&sz=11&hl=en&start=4&um=1&tbnid=GKtTcBtmnMvNdM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=100&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcivil%2Brights,%2Bemmett%2Btill%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-US%26sa%3DN

Emmit Till at 14 years of age was beaten, and lynched for speaking to a white woman.

read about it here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till

[AGirl]

31. I agree the hard core racists won’t care if someone is black or half black, they will discriminate.

all the same. However, you don't have to be a hard core racists to have prejudices.

[adabfree]

35. Ask

Lena Horne and Dorothy Dandridge if they felt any less discriminated against than Josephine Baker and Ella Fitzgerald.

Ask Joe Louis if he felt any less discriminated against than Jack Johnson.

Ask Phyllis Wheatly if she felt any less discriminated against than Langston Hughes..

Ask any House slave (most were light skinned-due to their mother's being raped by white men anyway), if they felt any less discriminated against than those in the fields.

[MidwestTransplant]

42. It's hard to believe that a person would say I won't vote for a black candidate but I will a 1/2

black one.

[adabfree]

19. Ha and let's not forget such things as ...

the 40 year Tuskegee Syphillis Experiment on Black Men by our government.

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2002/jul/tuskegee/


And let's not forget all the horrific experiments performed on black people; Harriet Washington: Medical Experimentation on Black Americans from Colonial Times to the Present

http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/38691.html


Yeah, blacks have had it easy...

[EdwardWilbur]

24. I know friend. The original post is disgusting and insulting to all that black people have had to

face. It literally boggles my mind as to how some people can think that white women have had it easier than black men.

I mean, I could almost assume that the original poster isn't old enough to remember the civil rights era. I mean, police would sicc dogs onto black men, women and children. Literally, bite the flesh off these people for marching.

Unbelievable.

[LowerManhattanite]

33. Medgar Evers...

...really enjoyed that “prank” on his front porch that night in '63. Played because he dared to fight for voting rights for Blacks. In 1963!

Those hilarious Scottsboro Boys had a fucking ball because of who they were. I hear they just laughed at how easy they had it, comparatively.

Emmitt Till would tell you how cozy life was...if he were still alive to speak on it.

Dipshit comparatives like this, floated by agent provacateur “bots” set to spew bullshit every 11 minutes should be seen for what they are—namely “dipshit comparatives floated by agent provacateur bots”.

Meant to divide and obfuscate.

Women have it fucked up. Blacks have it fucked up. Spun -from-a-hard-drive Idiocy about Obama's being “racially mixed” (What Black person in the U.S. descended from slaves ISN'T) making things easier for him is sillyfuck.

But nobody's MORE fucked up than racism and sexism-stoking OP's whose pronouncements sound like scrambled readings from a broken Magic 8-Ball.

[billyskank]

30. You can't win either way

If Clinton wins it'll be because of racism. If Obama wins it'll be because of sexism.

[XemaSab]

34. word

n/t

[terrya]

36. What is the point of this poll?

Except to engender more divisiveness?

[EdwardWilbur]

39. The original poster is a Hillary supporter and in my honest opinion, I feel that the original poster

wanted to once again make the distinction that Hillary is a woman to garner further support for her candidate.

I am against such tactics because:
1. Voting for somebody based on things they did not earn or do (such as gender, race etc) is rather discriminatory and biggoted
2. The poll tried to marginalise the horrible history regarding the black race by trying to compare it with the "struggles" that white women have had to face in this country; which, I'm sorry to say, isn't even close.

This is just my opinion, and I could be wrong, but I see this tactic employed a lot by Hillary supporters, not so much by Obama supporters to be honest.

[THUNDER HANDS]

38. neither

they get the majority of media coverage, attention and votes this primary.

if anyone was prejudiced against, it was Edwards for being the boring white guy nobody wanted to talk about.

[robbedvoter]

40. Just look at this "progressive" forum - couple of instances of racism I recall

but sexism is in full bloom - and mostly un-acknowledged.

[electron_blue]

43. I read a detailed report interviewing numerous successful, professional black women

and they were unanimous that they encountered far more sexism than racism as obstacles in their careers. Wish I could find a link to that study. It wasn't what I expected at the time.

eta: A quick review of U.S. history will reveal a huge disparity between when black men and white women got the right to vote.

[newmajority]

44. Barack is not facing discrimination only based on "race", but on religion as well

Both his actual religion (just read some of the threads here which practically equate him with Fred Phelps) and the continuous lies that he's a "Muslim" just based on his name and the religion of his father, whom he barely knew.

[rucky]

46. I'm not going there. n/t