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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 05:00 AM
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At Least 94,500 Ballots from Idependent Voters in LA County were Not Counted.
At least 94,500 Los Angles County ballots cast by independent voters in the Tuesday primary were not counted because of confusion over ballot design, the county's top elections official said Wednesday.

And Los Angeles County Acting Registrar-Recorder Dean Logan said potentially tens of thousands more may also be affected because several hundred thousand absentee and provisional ballots are still left to count.

The problems surfaced Tuesday as the Registrar-Recorder's Office began receiving reports throughout the day from crossover voters at the polls confused about how to mark their ballots.

While election experts said they doubt the problems will alter the outcome of the statewide vote, it could affect the number of delegates candidates get - potentially determining the Democratic nominee for president.

"Los Angeles County is the largest election jurisdiction in the country so anything that goes wrong in L.A. goes wrong on a big scale," said Kim Alexander, president of the California Voter Foundation.

"If these under-votes get counted, it could change the delegates in some California congressional districts."

Under questioning by the Board of Supervisors Wednesday, Logan said about half of the county's 189,000 decline-to-state voters who cast ballots did not fill in a party box at the top of the ballot required for their vote for a Democratic presidential candidate to count.

Logan said that amid widespread concern about voting accuracy, he will conduct a 1percent manual recount during the 28-day election canvass to determine the exact number of disenfranchised voters.
Logan said it will then be determined how many of those votes should be added to the counts for Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Logan said he also plans to convene a meeting of interested parties to determine how to ensure ballots used in the June and November elections are less confusing.

Alexander said she's never heard of another case where so many votes were uncounted. In the 2000 Florida voting dispute, only several thousand votes were in question.

"Clinton won the popular vote by a comfortable margin, but popular votes don't get you the nomination," Alexander said of California's Democratic primary Tuesday.

"There is a very real possibility that these under-votes could help sway the election results for the Democratic presidential primary contest."

Meanwhile, campaign officials for Obama said they received hundreds of calls from voters concerned that their votes weren't counted. Campaign officials said they also received complaints from independents who said they were not allowed to vote for a Democratic candidate.

A lawyer for the Courage Campaign, a voting rights group, sent a letter Wednesday to Logan demanding he ensure votes are tallied.

"We can't have another Florida 2000," said Rick Jacobs, founder and chair of the Courage Campaign.

"It's important for the next two elections in June and November."

Logan said he will work with the Secretary of State's Office to examine the issue.

The county has more than 800,000 nonpartisan voters. The controversy involves voters registered as decline-to-state who chose to cross over to the American Independent or Democratic Party ballots.

They were required to mark the party box at the top of the ballot - along with their choice for president - for the vote to count.

"We got hundreds of phone calls about this, if not thousands," said Debbie Mesloh, the California director of communications for Obama, who received 41 percent of the county vote compared with Clinton at 55 percent.

"We are telling people who have concerns to contact the Secretary of State's Office."

Officials also expressed alarm after Logan said only about 40 percent of ballots cast by nonpartisan voters for president in the 2004 and 2006 elections were counted.

"None of us know if these (uncounted votes) could tip the election, but there is a possibility here," Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky said.

Los Angeles City Attorney Rocky Delgadillo said no other county in the state has had this type of problem and he wants to work with the county and Secretary of State Debra Bowen to ensure it doesn't occur again.

"Other counties," Delgadillo said, "were able to see around the corner and had the ability to solve their problems before the election."

http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8191826
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 05:04 AM
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1. This is so stupid, what a failure on the part of people running the ballots
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 05:08 AM
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2. sigh. and kick. n/t
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 05:44 AM
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3. The Daily Breeze
The Daily Breeze is a 70,000-circulation daily newspaper published in Torrance, California. It serves the South Bay cities of Los Angeles County, and produces a weekly supplement in San Pedro.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Breeze
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 05:49 AM
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4. Oh please it's not rocket science
If you are an indie you can only vote in one primary -- rethug or democrat. That's why you have to mark the box. We have the same rules in WA -- there is one ballot printed and you have to mark either rethug or dem before you can proceed to vote for one party's candidates. Were'nt we just be lectured about how Obama voters were so much smarter than Hillary voters? If that's true then I guess she would have won those votes too.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:59 PM
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11. same here in IL.
you had to specify which party you were voting for. Democratic, Republican, Green or 'non-partisan' you got a ballot depending on what you checked. (Though I only saw Democratic and Republican forms on the table, no Greenies in site).

Sometimes I really don't get CA. Actually most of the time I don't get them.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 05:53 AM
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5. This is sad......
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:45 PM
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6. Kick for the Morning Crowd.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:50 PM
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7. How many times will we say...here we go again?
We certainly have the technology to get it right; WTF do we not have the competence?

I don't get it. :shrug:
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:55 PM
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10. The problem is that when you have constantly changing ballot designs...
...and overwhelming turnout, with a lot first-time voters, this is bound to happen.

The poll workers should be able to focus on helping first-time voters, not having to explain new ballot designs to more seasoned voters. The poll workers shouldn't have to instruct everyone.

Counties need to decide on a ballot design and leave it.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:52 PM
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8. A 50% error rate...
Points to a design flaw and not user error.

The ballots were confusing and the poll workers so overwhelmed with turnout that they could not keep up with directing voters. None of this is the fault of the voters.

Thus, the votes should be counted. These people didn't come out and stand in lines to vote for no one.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:54 PM
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9. That's because the vote counters have "experience"
Experience tilting elections by cheating. It's a problem in some venues. Wherever there are minions of candidates who play to win at any cost, there will be cheating in voting.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 02:55 PM
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12. Kick.
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