Toon - 'Obama Girl'

[zabet]

[Buzz Clik]

1. I totally know what he is ...

... and he's my man.

[zabet]

2. I do not doubt for a minute

that you have well researched
the candidates before coming to
a decision. Good luck to your
choice.
This editorial cartoon reflects
the perception that many of Obama's
supporters (not political junkies
like post here) really cannot tell
you where he stands on the issues
and what his plans are if elected
yet, they still want to 'buy' him
like he is a new pop culture fad.

[Buzz Clik]

5. Similarly, it would be very difficult for Clinton supporters to do likewise.

... and for many of the same reasons. In addition, Clinton put herself through an interesting political redefinement about two years ago to make her more electable in the eyes of moderates of both parties. In doing so, she muddled her positions on issues such as Iraq, and she lost some avid supporters.

Those of us who would vote for Hillary if nominated do so based on the hope and faith that she will return to her old values.

[Prophet 451]

27. Sadly, true

There are good reasons for supporting either candidate but I think much of modern politics has become a battle of style over substance, personality over policy. I wonder how many (outisde the political junkies here) are voting for Obama because they understand his positions or because he's a handsome man with traffic-stopping charisma? Likewise, how many of the Hillary supporters in the nation at large understand and agree with her positions and how many are voting for her because she's a woman or a Clinton?

Understand, that's not to fault either of them. They have to play the hand they're dealt. Rather, it is to blame the news media for their focus on superficiality and horse race rather than policies and issues.

[sam sarrha]

3. just on Cspan, 'obamas success comes from the ability to express ReThug ideas in a manner acceptable

to democrats.. which explains this..
http://zmagsite.zmag.org/Feb2007/street0207.html

[zabet]

4. Excellent article!

Pretty well nails it and worthy
of its own thread. :hi: Thanks.

"Never mind, for example, that Obama was recently hailed as a “Hamiltonian” believer in “limited government” and “free trade” by Republican New York Times columnist David Brooks, who praises Obama for having “a mentality formed by globalization, not the SDS.” Or that he had to be shamed off the “New Democrat Directory” of the corporate-right Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) by the popular left black Internet magazine Black Commentator (Bruce Dixon, “Obama to Have Name Removed From DLC List,” Black Commentator, June 26, 2003).

Never mind that Obama (consistent with Brooks’s description of him) has lent his support to the aptly named Hamilton Project, formed by corporate-neoliberal Citigroup chair Robert Rubin and “other Wall Street Democrats” to counter populist rebellion against corporatist tendencies within the Democratic Party (David Sirota, “Mr. Obama Goes to Washington,” the Nation, June 26). Or that he lent his politically influential and financially rewarding assistance to neoconservative pro-war Senator Joe Lieberman’s (“D”-CT) struggle against the Democratic antiwar insurgent Ned Lamont. Or that Obama has supported other “mainstream Democrats” fighting antiwar progressives in primary races (see Alexander Cockburn, “Obama’s Game,” the Nation, April 24, 2006). Or that he criticized efforts to enact filibuster proceedings against reactionary Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito.

Never mind that Obama voted for a business-friendly “tort reform” bill that rolls back working peoples’ ability to obtain reasonable redress and compensation from misbehaving corporations (Cockburn; Sirota). Or that Obama claims to oppose the introduction of single-payer national health insurance on the grounds that such a widely supported social-democratic change would lead to employment difficulties for workers in the private insurance industry—at places like Kaiser and Blue Cross Blue Shield (Sirota). Does Obama support the American scourge of racially disparate mass incarceration on the grounds that it provides work for tens of thousands of prison guards? Should the U.S. maintain the illegal operation of Iraq and pour half its federal budget into “defense” because of all the soldiers and other workers that find employment in imperial wars and the military-industrial complex? Does the “progressive” senator really need to be reminded of the large number of socially useful and healthy alternatives that exist for the investment of human labor power at home and abroad—wetlands preservation, urban ecological retrofitting, drug counseling, teaching, infrastructure building and repair, safe and affordable housing construction, the building of windmills and solar power facilities, etc.?

Never mind that Obama voted to re-authorize the repressive PATRIOT Act. Or that he voted for the appointment of the war criminal Condaleeza Rice to (of all things) Secretary of State. Or that he opposed Senator Russ Feingold’s (D-WI) move to censure the Bush administration after the president was found to have illegally wiretapped U.S. citizens. Or that he shamefully distanced himself from fellow Illinois Democratic Senator Dick Durbin’s forthright criticism of U.S. torture practices at Guantanamo. Or that he refuses to foreswear the use of first-strike nuclear weapons against Iran."
http://zmagsite.zmag.org/Feb2007/street0207.html

[cali]

7. So you really believe this stew of half lies and outright ones?

How interesting- and how telling about your Obama hate. Don't een bother denying it, Jane dear. You've now made it quite clear. Zmag and Counterpunch are the equivalent of Frontpage and worldnut daily and they HATE dems as much as pukes- if not more.

[zabet]

9. I do not support Obama.

I do not really want to support
Hillary but, I honestly feel she
is the better choice of the 2.
That does not make every word
that is printed that does not
paint Obama in a shining light,
are lies.
How telling about your bias...
Anyone who sees Obama as less than
the savior of American hates him. :eyes:

[Buzz Clik]

13. Sorry, but when you called a smear piece on Obama "Excellent", your biases became crystal clear.

Only a fool or a zealot would believe that Obama is a Republican that has been retooled to make him pallatable for Democrats. I know you aren't a fool, so let's not pretend about mild preferences.

[zabet]

15. OK, thanks, assumptions are pretty

ugly.
Again, read my initial comment
about perceptions. Is there any
perception with Obama supporters
that is acceptable other than Obama
is the greatest, untouchable, annointed
leader of the smart voters? :shrug:

[cali]

16. baloney, jane

I have plenty of beefs with Obama. This is a bash piece. And btw, botn counterpunch and zmag have shredded Clinton in even more disgusting ways. Unlike YOU, I don't endorse smearing, dear.

[zabet]

18. I do not endorse it...

it is just wise to be prepared at
what will be thrown at the candidate
of your choice.
They are playing with pea-shooters
right now, wait until they bring out
the heavy artillary.

Baloney is bad for you.

[MoonRiver]

26. And they wonder why we call them a cult.

:eyes:

[mzmolly]

21. I think that someone needs to read Obama's platform, which pretty much mirrors Clintons.

;)

[zabet]

22. Close doesn't count except

with hand grenades and horseshoes.

;)

[mzmolly]

24. Well, lets not forget politics.

:hi:

[Buzz Clik]

6. Well, that's bullshit being floated for the uninformed.

Obama is pro-choice and vehemently opposed to the war in Iraq. How does that play with the Republicans.

You really shouldn't toss out such nonsense in front of informed people.

[ThatPoetGuy]

11. Huh?

"Obama is pro-life and vehemently opposed to the war in Iraq."

Did you mean pro-choice?

[Buzz Clik]

12. Yes. Sorry. I've corrected it.

[zabet]

14. I am going to make this real easy for you

and anyone else that bothers to read
the whole thread before jumping to conclusions...
Read my first response, about perceptions..
the article does an excellent job of proving
that there are a certain number that have that
perception. Maybe I do not explain myself well
enough but, I am not a writer bytrade. How can
not acknowledging the spin the repukes will throw
out there help Obama be prepared for far worse if
he gets the not.

Just because I do not buy Obama's package does not
necessarily mean I think he will be a bad President,
I just think right now, Hillary will do better. I
really wanted Biden to get the nomination.

The war support can be argued either way, he has
not demanded we stop funding and start bringing
them home. Anytime a funding bill comes up, there
is still X amount of time left that funding is already
allocated to. I do not think Obama or Hillary either
one can really tout being 100% against the war.

[golddigger]

8. To bad she did not vote for him...n/t

:evilgrin:

[displacedtexan]

10. Considering that Obama Girl didn't bother to vote on Tuesday...

... that toon is sort of funny.

However, I don't think it's an accurate description of all young voters.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

17. it certianly is of the the ones around Newburgh, NY....very much so

[bidenista]

19. lol

Sums up the phenomenon perfectly.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

20. You do realize that Ramirez is a right wing cartoonist, don't you?

Ptooey!

[Celebration]

23. LOL here is the same lame cartoonist

Like this one too?

[MoonRiver]

25. And THAT is the Obama meme, in a nutshell.