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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:13 AM
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TIME.com: "Something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism"
Joe Klein makes some astute observations about the Obama operation:



Thursday, Feb. 07, 2008
Inspiration vs. Substance
By Joe Klein


"We are the ones we've been waiting for," Barack Obama said in yet another memorable election-night speech on Super-Confusing Tuesday. "We are the change that we seek." Waiting to hear what Obama has to say — win, lose or tie — has become the most anticipated event of any given primary night. The man's use of pronouns (never I), of inspirational language and of poetic meter — "WE are the CHANGE that we SEEK" — is unprecedented in recent memory. Yes, Ronald Reagan could give great set-piece speeches on grand occasions, and so could John F. Kennedy, but Obama's ability to toss one off, different each week, is simply breathtaking. His New Hampshire concession speech, with the refrain "Yes, We Can," was turned into a brilliant music video featuring an array of young, hip, talented and beautiful celebrities. The video, stark in black-and-white, raised an existential question for Democrats: How can you not be moved by this? How can you vote against the future?

And yet there was something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism — "We are the ones we've been waiting for" — of the Super Tuesday speech and the recent turn of the Obama campaign. "This time can be different because this campaign for the presidency of the United States of America is different. It's different not because of me. It's different because of you." That is not just maddeningly vague but also disingenuous: the campaign is entirely about Obama and his ability to inspire. Rather than focusing on any specific issue or cause — other than an amorphous desire for change — the message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is.

That is not unprecedented. It has echoes of Howard Dean's 2004 primary effort, although in Dean's case the propellant was neither substance nor the candidate's early, courageous voice against the war. But Dean soon found that wasn't enough. In June 2003 he told me he needed to broaden his movement, reach out past the young and the academic and find a greater array of issues that could inspire working people. He never quite found that second act, and his campaign became about process, not substance: the hundreds of thousands of supporters signing up on the Internet, the millions of dollars raised. He lost track of the rest of the world; his campaign was about ... his campaign. Obama would never be so tone-deaf, but he is facing a similar ceiling, a similar inability to speak to the working people of the Democratic Party (at least, those who are not African American) or find an issue, a specific issue, that distinguishes him from his opponent. And his opponent, Hillary Clinton, has proved herself tough, specific and reliable — qualities that become increasingly important as the economy teeters and as worries about the future gather in the land....

Obama's strength is inspiration, and it's also his weakness. In the recent past, Democrats have favored candidates who offer meaty, detailed policy prescriptions — usually to the party's detriment — and that is not Obama's game. After his Iowa victory, his stump speech had become a soufflé untroubled by much substance of any sort. He has rectified that, to some extent. He now spends some time talking about the laments of average Americans he has met along the way; then he dives into a litany of solutions he has proposed to address the laments. But those are not nearly so convincing as Clinton's versions of the same...

More: http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1710721,00.html
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sidwill Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:14 AM
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1. BIdenista strikes again
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:16 AM
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2. What's the matter---All of a sudden the much touted 'transparency" is evil. ???
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:17 AM
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3. I agree that Bidenista is transparent.
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:21 AM
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7. i'm all for transparency. nt
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:15 AM
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44. then why have you still not changed your name to Hillarista?
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:18 AM
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4. I believe Joe Klein wrote the article. Sheesh. Look in the mirror, much?
I'm glad people are talking about this.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 02:01 AM
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66. Haterade! Nice!
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:20 AM
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5. It's amazing -
Finally people are starting to see the same thing I saw a year ago.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:41 AM
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29. yeah--it takes time for the glitter to start fading. good for you. Nice to see it in the Time.
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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:51 AM
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40. me too.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:21 AM
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6. It's interesting that at least 3 articles
from different sources are referencing this phenomenon. I hope that it gets more coverage.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:23 AM
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12. Yeah it's amazing how quickly memes spread.
As a Clinton supporter, you should be aware of that. I keep reading how cold, calculating, and bitchy she is. From multiple sources. Must be true then, huh?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:39 AM
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26. Toto is working to pull the curtain back--just a crack so far
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RuleOfNah Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:47 PM
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53. Why the silence on the Bush cult of personality? The dead ender 25%?
Are the articles coming from Murdoch media? It looks like there is an expensive media split. Some are sniping Clinton, some are sniping Obama, and none are reporting on the many scandalous crimes of the current Bush regime...
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:50 PM
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55. When three articles come out at the same time, spreading the same meme
It means that Al From is spinning like a Dreidel on meth.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:47 PM
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63. Do you think that is a coincidence?
hmmmmmmmmm ... friends of Mark Penn, perhaps?
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:22 AM
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8. Media hacks like Klein don't know what to make of it, so they ridicule
Whatever. :shrug:
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:30 AM
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21. They consider it a sign of their superior judgment...
not to be inspired. I think a certain amount of inspiration is a good thing; with the war and the economy in something of a shambles, we may need some inspiring. Remember that FDR was considered a lightweight when he was first elected but his empathy, and his ability and desire to communicate, made major change possible.
Perhaps Klein should write a similar column about Huckabee.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:07 AM
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42. Yeah, and people didn't know what to make of Jim Jones, either.
Bake
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:04 PM
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48. The media has seen this phenomenon before. Jim Jones started off with community service, too.
He was the darling of the San Francisco liberal elite. He had liberal politicians promoting his career.

Some parallels are spooky, but of course it's ridiculous to suggest that Barack would advocate literal suicide. Merely political suicide. The GOP is going to come after him with the "cult" meme if he's the nominee, starting with a whispering campaign that will turn into everyday conversation in houses across America and probably discussed nonstop on the MSM by the Republican-controlled media until Barack's poll numbers plummet into the depths of oblivion.

The word "cult" is the kiss of death. The louder the howls of denial, the more likely it is that people believe there might be something to it. It's like struggling against a slipknot.

The Republican-controlled MSM killed Edwards' campaign because he cared about the poor. The horror of compassion! What will they do to Barack? The timing of all these mainstream articles implicating the cult aspect of Obama's campaign are not a coincidence. They're going after him, with good reason.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:22 AM
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9. I don't like Joe Klein
but after all of the laudatory articles, it is in MSM's tradition to turn on the anointed one.

I say better now that later just before the general election.

We've seen this cycle before. When Obama first announced, there were countless stories about how wonderful he was. Then there was a backlash. Lately there have been many stories about how wonderful he is.

I hope that a Dem wins in the fall, so I hope that Obama's "feet of clay" moments don't come just as people are going into the voting booths.
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:23 AM
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10. Establishment hacks like Joe Klein should worry
about the prospect of sane (non-fundie) middle class and working class Americans finally overcoming collective action problems and demanding progressive change.

This is the same guy who blows Reagan in his columns. We all know Reagan was a real policy wonk with his "Morning in America" bullshit. Give me a break.

http://www.time.com/time/columnist/klein/article/0,9565,646320,00.html
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:23 AM
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11. Klein's a ho'. But Obama is the sporting model and Clinton the utility model. nt
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:23 AM
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13. Dean wasn't as good a speaker, but he didn't have ties to Rezko either
"Resko got millions of dollars to build and rehab low income housing and according to the government, embezzled the money. The people in those houses had no heat, no water. They lived in squalor--many in Obama's State senate district. You could assume constituent complaints would have come in and Obama's law firm did the legal work for those government contracts and grants. Yet he denies knowing about it.

During this period, Rezko was mentoring him and raising money for him and hosting parties to introduce Obama to influential people."

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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:28 AM
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20. You keep posting this...
Why don't you take a little time looking in to Clinton's bad business ties? They're quite a bit larger.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:03 PM
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56. I wish I could "un-recommend" a post
Because I would "un-recommend" yours.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:24 AM
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14. I find Time Magazine to be pretty fucking creepy..
Time has been clueless for quite a while. I wouldn't dream of buying it or reading it. :rofl:
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:24 AM
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15. I am "undecided" between Clinton/Obama...
I love them both, but this touches on why I can't embrace Obama yet. I have other problems with Clinton. I'm a PA voter, so I may have to choose eventually.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:24 AM
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16. (Pre-click prediction) This is about Obma, not Bush
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 11:23 AM by rocknation
BOO-YAA!

Where was all the media whining about theoracy and mass messianism when BUSH was doing it??? Where's the article Klein wrote about Bush delivering the same speech for the past two years?

Obama is talking about self-awarenes and self-empowerment, about politics from the ground up. No wonder the media doesn't like it--inspiring the masses to be THEIR job.

x(
rocknation
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:25 AM
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17. Klein is a Clintonista
and a LOSER so take it with less than a grain of salt.
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:26 AM
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19. reasoned argument. and i think you meant "more", not "less"
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:43 AM
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31. nice Rovian tactic you are using--KILL the Messenger--but this story has legs. live with THAT!
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:57 AM
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41. It has legs with Clintonistas
and taylor Marsh , Craig Crawford shills.
The general public don't care
REAL progressives know Joe Klein is a liar and loser...ever read Glenzilla?


NO SALE
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:16 PM
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49. you are right
Joe Klein :puke: in general
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:24 PM
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52. JOE KLEIN SHOWS HIS PRIMARY COLORS
Mostly I'm bad but this time you've gotta admit . . . :thumbsup:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:25 AM
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18. recommend
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stillrockin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:35 AM
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22. Corporate media tries to frame discussion . . .
what a surprise.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:37 AM
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23. 'Obama's strength is inspiration, and it's also his weakness'--yes and yes
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:38 AM
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24. Nothing to see here folks,
finish your KoolAid and get our your checkbooks.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:38 AM
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25. This is what, your fourth post on this today? Aren't your ctrl-C and ctrl-V fingers getting tired?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:46 AM
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35. I think of the IP'er as TOTO--the smart dog who pulled back the curtain.
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:47 AM
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37. you know there's a "hide thread" function, right? nt
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:39 AM
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27. Pastor Dollar goes to Washington...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:48 AM
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39. oh that picture in your post says it better than all the words in the IP
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:39 AM
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28. HOLD IT A cult?? I thought Obama was a MUSLIM no wait he is a WOMAN
no wait..... come on email TELL ME WHAT TO THINK DAMMIT!!!
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:42 AM
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30. Actually it's Inspiration + Substance vs. the wrong kind of substance.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:43 AM
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32. Bidenista, you just made my ignore list
Aren't you ashamed of the stuff you post?

I wonder if you aren't a troll. :shrug:
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:46 AM
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36. i'm sorry to hear that
But there's not much point my responding if you're ignoring me.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:44 AM
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33. and REC--for the light!
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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:44 AM
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34. We used to call such "inspirational" talk gobbledy-gook but that was before
kool-aid and Dr Seuss. Not being among the initiated I feel somewhat left out. That's not usually a winning formula for long term political success, but Bush got reselected using a similar though much less articulate approach. Meanwhile I'm trying to figure out whether we should want the kind of change we are. Maybe I should watch Oprah today and find out. Scientology, anyone?
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 10:48 AM
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38. Ah, Joe Klein!
how nice to see him here again. Last I heard from him, he was praising the CIA for its "candor"--for admitting it destroyed tapes of torture!

Glad to see he's still taking calls, and doing stenography, for the Clinton camp.

Congratulations.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:14 AM
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43. As a Hillary supporter, I don't appreciate these repeated attempts
to smear Obama's followers with the cultist brush. Especially coming from a POS like Joe Klein.

It is a highly successful branding and marketing effort that pushes every cynical button I have, but it is not a cult.

It's a trend.

Whether it is a lasting trend that evolves into something more or peaks and fades before November remains to be seen, and that worries me.

But please just stop it with the cult nonsense. To someone like me who has experienced the damage that real cults can cause, it's not only inaccurate, it's offensive.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:53 AM
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45. Funny, they didn't describe the bushistas hardcore fans as Mass messiahism"
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:57 AM
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46. Joe Klein is a strong Clinton supporter
He said on CNN last night on AC 360 that Clinton and this is a direct quote "knows more than he does." He has a right to his opinion but Joe Klein was a heavy supporter of Clinton's first presidency. He's strongly supporting Hillary it seems.

Just wanted to make that clear. He's not unbiased.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:00 PM
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47. Joke Line?
You mean THIS Joke Line?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/3/141121/5672

A left-wing extremist exhibits many, but not necessarily all, of the following attributes:

--believes the United States is a fundamentally negative force in the world.

--believes that American imperialism is the primary cause of Islamic radicalism.

--believes that the decision to go to war in Iraq was not an individual case of monumental stupidity, but a consequence of America’s fundamental imperialistic nature.

--tends to blame America for the failures of others—i.e. the failure of our NATO allies to fulfill their responsibilities in Afghanistan.

--doesn’t believe that capitalism, carefully regulated and progressively taxed, is the best liberal idea in human history.

--believes American society is fundamentally unfair (as opposed to having unfair aspects that need improvement).

--believes that eternal problems like crime and poverty are the primarily the fault of society.


And the list goes on. My point being, Joke Line isn't exactly Mr. Credible
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:19 PM
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50. The Cult of Obama is being exposed...let's hope we see more reporting like this in future...
Obama should be shown as the charlatan he is.


:kick: and rec
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:21 PM
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51. Oh so you're a fan of Mr. Joke Line?
Interesting because most liberals think this guy is clueless old fool. But if you want to agree with a clueless old DLC fool that is your right.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 12:47 PM
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:07 PM
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57. It took a while for the Obamination to show up, but, they always have something to say..unlike BO
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:33 PM
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58. I have to admit this troubles me and has for sometime. But, Obama's doing what Republicans do best.
I do believe that Obama will be a President of substance if he's elected, but he's sure to disappoint given the lofty view many of his supporters have of him.

That said, this article lends itself to the possibility, again that perhaps Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama should run together?
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:44 PM
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59. Guess you proved your point? n/t
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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 02:47 PM
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60. K&R
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:43 PM
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61. Speaking of obsession with a single topic... n/t
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:46 PM
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62. If Obama can maintain his messianic qualities ...
... through the primaries and through November, then we have a Democratic White House. The danger is that eventually people will see through him, mock him, and expose him. But, so far so good.
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 01:05 AM
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64. Great Big K &R!!! Obama's free pass finally expired. nt
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LVjinx Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:51 AM
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68. Obama's free pass
isn't expired just yet, I fear. I just wonder how voters will feel, should Obama win the nomination, when stories start coming out that they *should* have heard long before hand. How will the media justify the way they've covered the Obama campaign?

I'm reminded of the pathetic excuses they used to cover their asses when it turned out their were no WMD in Iraq. "Oh, we were just swept along with everyone else" "Oh we were doing everyone a favor by helping get rid of an evil man" "Oh maybe we should have looked closer, but we *wanted* to believe the Bush administration."

When they think reporting on something would hurt a project or candidate they support, they bury the news deep. It's pathetic.
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kerstin Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 02:00 AM
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65. This is so predictable.
The morning after Super Tuesday, suddenly Obama is the wine candidate and Clinton the beer candidate. Overnight BHO became the biggest liberal in the history of liberalism. Obviously he's being perceived as the frontrunner and the MSM is under orders to knock him down a bit to make the Democratic contest as long and divisive as possible.

By the way, I voted for Hillary.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:30 AM
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67. correct; there's too much appeal to emotion, not enough to rationality. nt
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Josiah1982 Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-08-08 03:58 AM
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69. Cult.
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