Why does Hillary say Obama raised money "with combined fundraising power"

[jenmito]

as if it's not as legit as hers? She has some nerve implying HIS money is not raised on his own merit but hers is. From her own website: "In the past 48 hours, more than 35,000 donors have contributed to the campaign, helping Hillary keep pace with the combined fundraising power of Sen. Obama’s campaign, MoveOn, and Sen. Kerry’s 3 million person email list - to which Sen. Obama now has access."

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=5783

According to a Hillary supporter's thread today, MoveOn did NOT give any of their money to Obama:

"(Note: a MoveOn adviser says that none of the MoveOn money has been transferred to the Obama campaign, so the 7.2M is all indigenous.)"

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/money_pours_in_for_clinton_oba.php


Is she seriously implying all of the money SHE raised is not from supporters of anyone who endorsed her, like from Wes Clark supporters for example? :eyes:

[islandmkl]

1. you know...the combined fundraising power

of thousands and thousands of supporters.

[Renew Deal]

2. Isn't coalition building the point?

Doesn't it mean that she doesn't have as much support?

[rinsd]

3. Wow more faux outrage.

She credit the Obama campaign

She credits the Kerry mailing list (which even Obama's campaign will credit)

And she credit the power of MoveOn who are tabulating the totals from their fundraiser for Obama as we speak.

What is the problem?

:shrug:

[jenmito]

10. No outrage at all. Just pointing out the hypocrisy and/or lies.

She didn't "credit" ANY of them. She implied Obama couldn't have raised so much money without the help of MoveOn and Kerry's mailing list, as if ALL of HER money came from individuals with no knowledge of any of her endorsers sending them emails, etc.

[rinsd]

11. She said nothing about his haul, talk about lies.

:eyes:

[jenmito]

13. You obviously didn't read my OP. It's right there in bold print.

[rinsd]

16. "She implied Obama couldn't have raised so much money without the help of MoveOn "

Except she never mentioned his haul, she is speaking about the fundraising forces she is up against.

[jenmito]

20. Except she DID mention Obama's fundraising and she lied about him to boot.

[rinsd]

24. Where did she mention Obama's fundraising haul?

You think he ability to fundraise is some secret?

And the lie?

Obama, meanwhile, has moved to quickly capitalize on his Thursday endorsement from the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, Sen. John F. Kerry. Kerry sent an e-mail Thursday night to those on his own donor list -- said to be one of the larger e-mail lists in the party, with more than 3 million names -- asking them to support Obama and providing a link to donate money. One bonus of that link for the Illinois senator is that anyone on Kerry's e-mail list who clicks the link will be added to Obama's list for future solicitations.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/11/obama_clinton_amp_up_fundraisi.html

[jenmito]

29. Why do you keep using the word "haul"? She mentioned his fundraising and lied about how he

got his money. She DID lie. Obama does NOT have access to Kerry's email list. Your link proves me right.

[rinsd]

33. Reading is fundamental

"One bonus of that link for the Illinois senator is that anyone on Kerry's e-mail list who clicks the link will be added to Obama's list for future solicitations."

She mentions his fundraising power (not exeactly a secret) and nothing about his recent fundraising.

On edit: And the word haul? That's to indicate an impressive amount.

Apparently I can't even compliment the guy without some willful ignorance intruding.

[jenmito]

36. It sure is. Read this again:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4460484&mesg_id=4460484

[LoZoccolo]

4. She's trying to turn her failure to get certain endorsements into an attack. n/t

[Pirate Smile]

5. They want to minimize Obama's larger number. I read that MoveOn is holding a separate

fundraiser and those numbers will be released this afternoon. I don't know anything about it but those numbers would be IN ADDITION to the $7.3 million raised already.

[jenmito]

12. Exactly. And doing the math, she claimed about 35,000 donors gave her $4 million making each

donation at least $100. And it's just false that he raised his money through MoveOn as you stated.

[rinsd]

30. She never claimed he raised his money thru moveon. She never mentions his haul

In fact her myspace bulletin which does mention his $7M as a motivating factor doesn;t mention Kerry or MoveOn at all

Take A Moment & Donate to the Hillary Campaign
Obama just announced that he raised 7 million in 2 days. Hillary had to use 5 million of her own money. Please take a moment and help Hillary raise 7 million to compete with Obama. Donate what ever you can, ask you friends and family to donate as well. We need to help Hillary so that she can compete toe to toe with Obama

Faux outrage

:eyes:

[jenmito]

35. Read my OP and the quote. Again. She sure did say he had the help of MoveOn.

Can't you read? I'm done responding to your strawman argument with the word "haul."

[rinsd]

37. Is MoveOn holding a fundraiser for Obama? Yes.

Does Hillary make reference to Obama's fundraising in the last few days or even last month? No.

[jenmito]

41. Is their money included in the money he raised since Tuesday? No.

YES SHE DOES IN THE QUOTE I POSTED.

[rinsd]

44. Does she claim that money includes MoveOn money? No.

She even has a different bulletin out on myspace which does cite Obama's $7M and makes no mention of MoveOn.

But please continue to lie.

[jenmito]

46. YES!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4460484&mesg_id=4460484

[rinsd]

47. That says fundraising power.

Could you show me where it makes mention of the $7M Obama raised?

[jenmito]

49. I showed you where she mentioned MoveOn re: his fundraising which you denied.

[rinsd]

50. Is MoveOn is doing a fundraiser for Obama? Yes

Were they in the midst of that fundraiser when that press release came out? Yes.

Was it fair for Clinton to say she is facing the combined fundraising powers of Obama & MoveOn(and the Kerry email list)? Yes.

Can jenmito point to Hillary's press release as having any information regarding Obama recent fundraising totals of $7M? No.

Is this a tempest in a teapot? Certainly looks like it.

[jenmito]

51. The money raised through MoveOn will be SEPARATE from the money Obama raised online.

She lied and you're lying.

[rinsd]

54. Of course and since she doesn't mention the money he just raised, what is the point?

You can't show me where she makes his recent fundraising success and issue because she doesn't.

She mentions what she faces.

She is casting herself as the underdog.

Perhaps you can take issue with that instead of your faux outrage about non existent things.

[enki23]

6. translation: "i get my money from far fewer people?"

i guess?

[tyne]

8. She's just

clarifying her "false hope" mantra. *shrug*

[TexasObserver]

7. more Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance calls from camp HRC

pathetic

[karynnj]

9. She is wrong on Kerry's email list - Obama does not have access to it

As has been repeatedly said by Kerry staffers, Kerry did not give him or anyone else that list. Kerry did distribute an Obama message to the list in addition to his own email endorsing him.

[jenmito]

14. Thanks for that info! I didn't realize that!

Another lie from Hillary's camp.

[rinsd]

25. He doesn't need access to the list.

Obama, meanwhile, has moved to quickly capitalize on his Thursday endorsement from the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, Sen. John F. Kerry. Kerry sent an e-mail Thursday night to those on his own donor list -- said to be one of the larger e-mail lists in the party, with more than 3 million names -- asking them to support Obama and providing a link to donate money. One bonus of that link for the Illinois senator is that anyone on Kerry's e-mail list who clicks the link will be added to Obama's list for future solicitations.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/11/obama_clinton_amp_up_fundraisi.html

[karynnj]

55. That has been true almost every time Kerry has made an appeal

for other candidates. When you clicked to make a donation, it led you to the candidates page. Giving the candidate your information is needed to comply with FEC rules.

My point was that the language is wrong as access means he can get the names on the list - he can't. He will get those who opt to contribute. This is an important distinction as there are people who do not think people who have lists have the right to give them to others - and Kerry hasn't.

[Debi]

15. And yet Tom Vilsack handed over his fundraising list to Clinton

and Obama still raised more than her here in Iowa :shrug: (well Vilsack didn't just hand it over - she bought it - another one of her wise investments :eyes:)

[rinsd]

19. And if Obama had said we face Hillary Clinton & her Vilsack mailing list, would it be an issue?

No.

More faux outrage :eyes:

[jenmito]

26. And Wes Clark's mailing list, and many others' mailing lists. No complaints from Obama.

[rinsd]

28. And if he had mentioned them, it would be no big deal.

A bunch of faux outrage and non existent slights.

:eyes:

[jenmito]

31. Because YOU say so?

:rofl:

[sandnsea]

27. We face Hillary Clinton and the former President

and the email list of Emily's List and a whole host of organizations. And NO, we haven't whined about it or her $118 million that she's been stockpiling for over 2 years.

[jenmito]

42. THANK YOU! n/t

[Avalux]

17. Why does she say it? Because she's a master at deception.

By saying this, she wants people to think Obama is weak and couldn't have possibly raised that much money on his own; he needed help.

Of course it's not true but she doesn't care.

[jenmito]

23. Exactly. n/t

[ElsewheresDaughter]

18. Kerry gave Obama the millions he had left over of our money from his presidential campaign

that's what she means

[rinsd]

21. He can't. Candidates can only transfer campaing funds to themselves.

Otherwise its governed like any other donation.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

34. well he had $15 million left over from his run andyes he can give it to any Dem he wants to

That chunk of change – a whopping $19 million in all – was a heck of a boost for Kerry’s bid to keep his Senate seat. And it’s totally legal. Doling out some of the surplus in 2006 helped bolster Democrats running for Congress. All legal.

“Once you give the money, you’ve given it to the person to do with it what they choose,” said Michael Goldman, a media and politics professor at Tufts University. “You are trusting that individual.”

[rinsd]

39. He cannot. Donations to other candidates are limited to about $5000.

[DUyellow]

22. Link, anything to support that?

[DUyellow]

52. Link or fix your post

[robbedvoter]

32. Wes Clark supporters? They stopped sending money in 2004.

[jenmito]

38. I still get emails from him asking to donate to Hillary. n/t

[Bread and Circus]

40. This is just a case of silly spin on their part. It's not a big deal...

There are a lot worse things we need to worry about with Clinton

www.fpif.org

[geiger]

43. trying to frame herself as the underdog, swipe at Kerry, attempt to belittle MoveOn

old age politics of marginalization.

I also think she is getting confused by bad advice from people in a panic, when they should just stay cool.

[jenmito]

48. Yup. Hardly compliments to Obama, Kerry, and MoveOn as another poster suggested.

[jillan]

45. I'm guessing she may be referring to this:

http://moveon.org

Moveon sent a request to donate to Obama to all of their members.

[jenmito]

53. But that is separate from the money Obama raised online on his own.