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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 02:59 PM
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Gore Endorsement Rumor Kicking Around Clinton Campaign
Of what benefit would it be to float this?


http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/002818.php

A well-placed spouse of a Clinton campaign insider just told me that a rumor is spreading like wild fire in Hillaryland that Al Gore is going to endorse Barack Obama.

My source emphasizes that this is rumor and may just be paranoia and hyperventilation of the campaign, but it's important to know that this rumor is out there. Another source of mine inside Obamaland has told me that they have been working very hard to secure Gore's public support and trying numerous avenues to "encourage" him.

Frankly, I'm surprised that Gore would do this -- despite his clear disaffection for the Clintons. He is the undisputed king of the climate change franchise now, but even kingdoms can be assaulted, undermined, outfoxed, circumvented, ridiculed, and starved.

If Hillary Clinton wins this tight race -- which she may still do -- then Gore is gambling with his own status as a climate-change first-and-only transcendant politician.

It will be interesting to see what happens, and of course if Barack Obama wins the primary and then the presidency, Al Gore will get significant credit. The problem is that that can work the other way too.
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:00 PM
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1. Al Gore doesn't need to endorse anyone
He's bigger than American politics. However, his endorsement WOULD carry weight with me.
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Red Zelda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:01 PM
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2. Gore is a smart, wise visionary
He knows Obama is tomorrow and Hillary is yesterday.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:12 PM
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8. What does that even mean?
The "yesterday" you mention included peace, prosperity, environmental protection, respect for us in the world, two liberal SCOTUS justices, a strong dollar and a veto pen that protected the public.

What's Obama ever done besides perfect his speaking voice? All the speeches and the rallies and the encouraging statements are just words. They mean nothing.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:28 PM
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19. peace for whom?
certainly not the Iraqi's. They have been bombed and strangled since Bush 1 left and Clinton took over, then bush2 took over, then Clinton 2 will continue the Killing of a Whole Country.

and not for the East Timorese either. Bill had the power to call off Suharto 'our kind of guy' the mass murderer- and did but was very late for many dead East Timorese.

I can't figure how so many here think the Clintons are such peace loving wonderful cuddly human beings. They like war as much as anyone in their position of power.

That is why I could never support Hillary - the track record is clear that she prefers war to true peace.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:49 PM
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24. What a load of crap.
The answer is peace for us. The president is elected to pursue our interests, not those of Iraq. The public expects and requires this as well as the cushy lifestyle made possible by the free flow of Middle-East oil and other foreign commodities. The nation did not care that Carter was a peace-maker. He failed to manage at home, we had double-digit unemployment and inflation and we got Reagan as a result. Carter's incompetence cast a shadow over our party that was only lifted with Bill Clinton's success. Assuming O. can survive the propaganda machine, my biggest concern with O. is that he will win and become another Carter and the D's will become a joke again.

Bill Clinton never started a war. The Iraqi sanctions were UN sanctions. I think you are assuming a lot on that Suharto thing. The POTUS is powerful so any failure (they all fail at some point) is likely to be catastrophic for someone.

Frankly, I think to crap on 35 years of experience legitimately, one should be at least 35 years old or at least be aware of what it was like then. If someone did not go to sleep wondering if s/he would be vaporized in a nuclear attack before morning, then that person will not appreciate what peace means.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 04:00 PM
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25. yes, everything for 'american interests'.
who cares about the suffering around the world just so you can park your cottage cheese ass on a couch, munch on chemicals, and play armchair general on the internet.

pursuing peace instead of war is very much in 'your interest' - I can't believe what a dumb response you had. really.

Many americans have been trained to become self centred oinkers and these are the very type that the Clintons and Bushes, the powers that be, Rely on to continue the pillage both domestically and abroad.

and bullsht about the UN sanctions. A US president pretty well calls the shots, them and Israel, and you know it. No one says No to the great U S of A - they make and break their own rules.




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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:01 PM
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3. It could be a ploy. Maybe he'll endorse Clinton.
Get the media to bite and start talking about it, only to have Clinton announce he's endorsing her?

Or they're trying to lower the impact it may have by leaking it early. The Kennedy endorsement, I believe, was also leaked by the Clinton campaign.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:02 PM
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4. I enjoy Gore's musky Victor Mature-like scent
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:07 PM
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6. LOL!
:rofl:
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:03 PM
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5. he doesn't have to do this, but it would certainly carry weight
for Obama-quite a score for him.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:08 PM
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7. Plays into Penn's stated strategy...
...of trying to make Hillary out to be "the underdog" and "the victim" and the "anti-establishment" candidate.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:16 PM
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10. Thats the angle
Glad someone picked up on it...
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:33 PM
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23. probably
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:14 PM
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9. So if Gore doesn't endorse Obama, it will look like he either
has no preference or still thinks Clinton will prevail?
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:16 PM
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11. Bingo
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:17 PM
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12. WHY is it important to know that this rumor is out there?
That's an interesting claim to make in the article that it doesn't back up.

Why does the Clinton campaign want this rumor out there?
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Raejeanowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:26 PM
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16. Indeed, Why Does Anyone Want the Rumor Out?
I can't speak to Gore's alleged disaffection but I would be floored to know he was that disloyal and tacky as to land that kind of blow on her campaign. Not like him. No, he's going to wait until the nomination is announced.

Spin, spin, spin. That Gore would even consider endorsing Obama and that Hillary is running scared; don't have to guess whose campaign's perception that profits, so the source is pretty obvious to me.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:18 PM
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13. He'd be crazy to get involved
Let him stay above it all. He'll need the help from whoever wins - why take that risk?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:19 PM
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14. Why would he be gambling with his status?
Hillary has expressed a dedication to environmental concerns. I think they would make a great team for the issue of climate crisis.

As president, she would feel no need to usurp the iconic status of Gore as the leader in the green revolution. Hillary knows what it feels like to have her own accomplishments diminished simply due to her relationship with Bill.

I don't know how Gore feels about it, but if he were Secretary of the Interior, a lot of progress could be made.

http://www.doi.gov/secretary/mission.html

Interior has established five Departmental goals that encompass the major responsibilities of the Department. These goals provide a framework for the strategic plans of Interior's bureaus. The Departmental goals are as follows:

* Resource Protection - Protect the Nation's Natural, Cultural, and Heritage Resources
* Resource Use - Manage Resources to Promote Responsible Use and Sustain a Dynamic Economy
* Recreation - Provide recreation opportunities for America
* Serving Communities - Safeguard lives, property and assets, advance scientific knowledge, and improve the quality of life for communities we serve
* Management Excellence - Manage the Department to be highly skilled, accountable, modern, functionally integrated, citizen-centered and result-oriented
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:27 PM
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17. Straight Shooter Thanks for posting
It shows Clinton is in-line with Gore's commitment to environmental issues. :)
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 04:06 PM
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26. Commitment to environmental issues
RFK, Jr., has endorsed her. That means a lot to me. I joined NRDC several years ago, as soon as I heard about them. It seems to me that RFK Jr.'s endorsement will be a factor in Gore's decision. I certainly hope so. :)

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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:21 PM
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15. that would make absolutely no sense...
to burn his credit on an endorsement and have a 50% risk of alienating the future nominee. Al Gore is and must continue to be a pragmatist in every action he takes in order to make any progress with climate change - an endorsement would be pure vanity!
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:27 PM
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18. Please everybody stop with the fucking rumors. n/t
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:28 PM
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20. I hope he does
The Clintons and their surrogates pissed all over Gore just like they pissed all over Kerry in 2004 and 06, and just like they shat all over the Democratic Party in the 90s. Making Democrats go on TV to defend Bill's misogynistic behavior, and his abuse of power in a boss/employee relationship -- and Hillary putting up with it because she intended to use cronyism to get ahead, and divorcing his ass would make that rather difficult.

Obama is right: the Clintons almost destroyed the party in the 90s by making it all about THEM, rather than countering the culture war that the evangelicals started, and cementing the image of the party as a "hedonistic and sinful" entity in so many rural areas.

Then Bill's slap in Al's face by becoming buddy-buddy with W, the man whose goons robbed Gore.

This is how the Clintons operate -- they use people and then discard them when they're through.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:30 PM
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21. Gore doesn't need to endorse Hillary -- his side kick Bobby Kennedy Jr already has
Gore will wait.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 03:31 PM
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22. AL GORE RUNNING
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