Clinton campaign: Childish game-playing goats on acid...

[CoffeeCat]

Hillary is broke. She's so broke in fact that she had to loan her campaign
several million dollars and publicly disclose that she can't even pay her
own staffers.

In order to compensate for her lack of political vision and preparedness--she
needs to secure loads of free air time.

How to get that free air time? Debates! Lots of them! How about one a week?

In her desperate attempt to garner free air time, Hillary suggests in public
that she and Obama have one debate a week. Obama responds to a reporter by
saying that his time should be spent with the voters, and 18 debates have
been enough.

Ok fine. Hillary wants free media exposure, and she asked. Obama heard
her request and said no, and then moved on with his vigorous campaign schedule.

But what happens when you say "no" to a Clinton request?

Just now, on CNBC, Terry McAuliffe shows up, DEMANDING that Obama debate Hillary
in all of these debates. Plenty of feigned outrage ensued, "If you can't debate Hillary Clinton
on the economy!! How can you fix the economy?? If you can't debate Hillary Clinton on the Iraq war!
How can you stop it??"

McAuliffe then accused Obama of being "afraid of Hillary Clinton."

America...have we had ENOUGH of Hillary Clinton's games, childish tactics and gross distortions?

Because Hillary Clinton didn't prepare and wasn't financially responsible--Barack Obama is supposed
to kow tow to her shrill demands and bow down to her requests?

As backlash for her own financial failures, she's going to insult Barack Obama and question his ability to
"fix the economy or "end the Iraq war"???

:rofl: I tell ya. The Clintons don't know when to quit. They don't get their way and every one
must suffer until their demands are met. They are pathetic.

And please, we all understand that Hillary needs these debates because of her financial troubles and
inability to afford big media buys. Hillary never mentioned another round of debates, until it became
apparent that she was up shit creek without a dollar.

What a bunch of scurrilous, game-playing bullies the Clintons are! This is how she will govern
as President. She'll kick, scream, threaten and lie about whoever doesn't give her exactly
what she wants.

Hillary is Verruca Salt from "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory", "I want that debate and I want it NOW,
and if I don't get it, I'm going to call you names and scream!"

I am so sick and tired of Hillary Clinton's lies, her trickery and her ham-handed bullying.

[Donnachaidh]

1. and another Choral member takes up the meme from headquarters.

Tell me -- do they call you with these talking points, or do they email?

:rofl:

[CoffeeCat]

11. As a stay-at-home-mom, to two

...girls in elementary school--I stay busy with packing lunches, laundry and
picking up Polly Pockets before I accidentally vacuum them up.

Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of extra time to plot with the campaign mother ship.

However, I'll let you know if they ever call OR email!!

:rofl:

[Skidmore]

28. I gather that you have switched candidates now.

[TexasObserver]

2. k&r

[apnu]

3. IMO all this 'run out of funds' business is triangulation

or, at the very least, an attempt to appear as the underdog. I think its all political game playing designed to manipulate voters; a rope-a-dope.

[bunnies]

6. That thought crossed my mind as well.

Calculating is as calculating does. sad eh?

[NJSecularist]

9. How does being an underdog help her at all?

Maybe she wants to be the underdog, but how does that help her?

I think she is doing this by neccesity.

What does Hillary Clinton, a women who was annointed to be the Democratic nominee months ago, have to gain by being called the underdog?

[FiveGoodMen]

10. Apparently, $6 million in new donations from her sympathizers

[apnu]

24. The Clintons are at their best when they are percieved as underdogs.

I dunno about anointed though, if she was given the nod by anybody, it was the M$M months ago, lead by RW nutbags spelling doom and gloom that Hillary Clinton would run. And she did.

Plus we, the base, love underdogs. Hell, rooting for underdogs is an American tradition.

[bunnies]

4. He *should* debate her on the economy...

Considering what a shining jewel of fiscal responsibility her campaign has become. :)

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[MadHound]

16. He was right from the standpoint of the Clinton camp

But why should Obama agree to that much free air time for Hillary. After all, it isn't like people haven't seen enough debates between the two:shrug: Rather he should agree to perhaps one a month for the next few months, at most, and let the Clinton campaign pay for the rest of her exposure.

Obama is under no obligation to bail Hillary out of the mess she got herself into. She opted for the strategy of going all out until Super Tuesday, thinking that with a massive cash blitz, a front loaded primary and her coat of inevitability, she would knock out the rest of the candidates by the day after Super Tuesday. Surprise, she didn't knock them all out, and now is in a fight for her political life against a smart, smooth and savvy political operator, held back by the fact that she currently hasn't got a plan B and is going up against an smoothly oiled money machine while she herself is struggling to find funds.

The question becomes whether or not she can recover in time, and recover enough to stay close enough to let her super delegates get the nomination for her in a seriously undemocratic way.

Obama is under no obligation to help her out, and he's smart enough not to. That's the way politics is:shrug:

By the by, it is good to see you back and in such fine fettle yourself. Hope everything is going alright for you and yours:hi:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

23. We Haven't Seen Enough.

And the whole 'free airtime' thing is ridiculous in my opinion. I mean, aren't we all in the camp that campaigns should be reformed to begin with and it shouldn't be about who has the money, but rather about substance? What does free airtime have to do with anything? Doesn't he get that same airtime? Statements like that prove ONE thing to me: Obama fans KNOW that the free airtime is more valuable to her camp, because she's the one that comes out looking like the superior candidate during debates. If it was the other way around, the whole 'free airtime' meme wouldn't be spouted at all, since that airtime would be to benefit Obama. What people don't realize is that EVERY SINGLE TIME they spout out that line, they are in essence ADMITTING that Hillary is stronger in the debates and that Obama loses part of his mystique in them. That's the only logical way in which a 'free airtime' argument makes any sense, if that airtime benefits her over Obama. But the argument is bullshit anyway, since as part of a competent political process more emphasis should be put on what's REAL, such as the real setting of one on one debates, than anything else.

And I don't think we've seen enough. We've seen only 1 one on one with them. I would LOVE to see more down to the issues one on one debates between them both, and think that should be the primary interest during this process. I think one on one debates do far better jobs of displaying differences and strengths of each candidate, than do rhetoric driven stump speeches.

[MadHound]

27. First of all, don't think that I'm in the Obama camp, I'm not

However I do find the notion of Hillary in office absolutely a disgrace, and thus am left with the choice of the lesser of two evils, again.

But back to the question, why should Obama do a debate a week? After all, even when it was seven candidates in the race, most of the air time was spent on Obama and Hillary. Sure, one a month, I can see that, but one a week is just excessive.

It is also impractical from the Obama camp's POV. It gives Hillary free airtime at a point where she is desperate for it. Hell, Obama can pay for all the airtime he wants, so why not force Hillary to do the same? Sorry, but it makes perfect tactical sense.

And no, the Obama camp isn't admitting that Obama is a weaker debater than Hillary, I think that going back and looking at their previous dust ups will prove that. Again, they are making a tactical move here, forcing Hillary, who is weaker in campaign cash, to pay for her exposure when she can least afford it. Obama has all the cash that he needs to keep up his exposure, he doesn't need the debates, so why should he help out his opponent? Again, it comes down to a matter of tactics, ie keep kicking your opponent when they're down.

This is a purely tactical decision. I imagine that we will see future one on one debates, but I doubt that it will be more than one a month. Once a week is excessive, and it benefits Hillary more. Why should the Obama camp play into Hillary's hands?

But hey, if you want to jump up and down, calling Obama and his followers all kinds of names, go for it. I seriously doubt that it will make any difference at all, and the fact remains that Obama is conducting a pretty good tactical campaign so far, why should he stop now?

[NJSecularist]

7. Another great post by TwoSparkles

Of course, it will immediately be slammed down as untrue by the Hillbots, when it is in fact 100% correct.

[bigtree]

12. 100% correct? Check the first two sentences

"Hillary is broke." Wrong.

She's so broke in fact that she had to . . . publicly disclose that she can't even pay her own staffers. Wrong. The staffers had 'offered' to go without pay, but their offer was turned down. The campaign is flush with new donations.

[bigtree]

8. starts out with a lie

"Hillary is broke."

Feb. 7, 2008

So it turns out the Clinton campaign may not be so cash-strapped after all — at least not at this very moment.

After offering on Wednesday to go without paychecks to help save precious campaign resources, senior staff members on Hillary Clinton's campaign are in fact not going without pay during the month of February, ABC News has learned.

The campaign announced today that it raised more than four million dollars online in the 24 hours after polls closed on Tuesday — the biggest single haul in one day ever for the campaign.

The Clinton campaign has enough money on hand now to launch television advertising in multiple states.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4257358&page=1

[Uncle Sinister]

14. you must understand; 4 mil is nothing, because Barak raised 6. She's broke and riding Greyhound!

[SoFlaJet]

17. um excuse me

but it was 7 and a half million to her 3

[JackORoses]

13. Hillary knows that Obama will build unstoppable momentum with Victories in the weeks ahe

She is grasping for anything to attempt to break this Momentum up.

Fuck you and your Debates, Hillary!
The Obama Train is taking it straight to the People. See if you can keep up.

[hayu_lol]

20. Simply amazing...the cult of Obama Lemmings...

just a few weeks ago were raging at Hillary because of all the money she had collected. She was castigated and BBQed for her collections.

Now they switch tactics and are bashing Hillary for running short of PRIMARY money. She has funds for the GE, just short for the end of primary season.

They castigated her unmercifully for being 'cold and calculating' for quite a while. When she appeared human, with normal human emotion showing, they reversed course and slammed her for that.

Many candidates loan their campaign money: Kerry and Romney for just two. But the Obama folk have decided that Hillary should not do that.

If only you folks would be consistant.

The list is long. Flip-flops from the Obama camp are to be expected.

Why not try to be fair? I know it is hard for you guys, but you might try. An election is not a stampede.

[JackORoses]

25. Hayu_guys, you didn't address the Phantom debates question

It is obvious that Hillary is desperate for these Phantom Debates.
She needs the Media attention.
She needs something to dilute the stream of good news about all Obama's coming victories.

Sorry, Hillary, you'll just have to make due.

[newmajority]

15. It's time to lose the Clintons, McUseless, and the entire DLC

Cut the head off the snake by getting them out of this election.

[K Gardner]

18. Absolutely K&R. This post needs to be kept kicked as long as the "Obama Afraid" MEME is parroted

here by people who support her disgusting, underhanded and bullying tactics.

[philly_bob]

19. I want debates. I don't feel I know Obama. /nt

[CoffeeCat]

29. Then find a friend who Tivo'ed the first 17 debates...

...and watch them all.

Report back here with your findings.

There will be a quiz.

[philly_bob]

30. Cute sarcasm doesn't answer the objection that I don't feel I know BO. /nt

[Az_lefty]

21. I'm sick of the slander from the Clinton camp...

I've heard enough debates, town hall meetings with the people are much better. If Hillary's out of $$ it isn't Obama's fault and he shouldn't give in. Everytime the Clinton camps gets in trouble they start slandering Obama and acting the the great victims. To hell with that.
:puke:

[NoPasaran]

26. So what are you going to do? Hold your breath? Stamp your feet?

Have at it!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. Please God Let It Be The Former

~

[geiger]

22. It seems to me that you are right....

the money thing didn't hit me until after lunch, now we're hearing smacktalk about the mathematics of superdelegate support.

I have committed publicly that I will call it everytime I see it by people who know and act better. This is the most pathetic attempt I've heard of in trying to marginalize their worthy opponent. It's disgusting, and believe me, they are not on acid; it's pure arrogance, anger and adreneline.