Please don't tell HRC supporters about Hillary Clinton

[TheDeathadder]

I have noticed a trend today of people trying to tell Hillary Clinton supporters about Hillary Clinton. We don't need non-Clinton people to educate us about Hillary Clinton. Nobody knows Clinton better than Clinton people. We know everything she has done, is doing, and what she will do.

You would not like non-Obama people to inform and educate Obama people about Obama. Stop with the insults and let's debate policies.

[joshcryer]

1. GD:P is basically about lying, spinning, and trying to bash the other candidate.

It tends to go against Hillary here more than anything else.

[sam sarrha]

10. your perceptual problems are due to the phase shift between temporal reality and astral ObamaNation.

removing the rose colored glasses will assist..

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. Did you know Hillary Clinton voted for the IWR?

[MonkeyFunk]

3. Link?

:P

[TheDeathadder]

6. Did you know

Obama has been funding the war since he joined the Senate?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. I know that's a false statement.

Obama's voted against funding.

So I guess that's two things you don't know about.

[TheDeathadder]

11. Since 2005: Obama's "voting record has been virtually identical to Clinton's. 'Senator Obama voted $

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Mostly identical.

Of course, Clinton's pre-2005 voting record sucks.

[TheDeathadder]

14. and yet for someone who said he was against the war

for the beginning

He keeps paying for it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. Actually, no.

Obama's been voting against funding.

:shrug:

[TheDeathadder]

19. when?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. Last May.

It was a big national controversy. The new Democratic congress who ran an anti-war campaign stabbed their constituents in the back by voting for continued funding. Obama was one of the few people who voted against it.

You'd have remembered if you'd been paying attention, or cared about such things.

[TheDeathadder]

26. Clinton voted the same as Obama on that vote

remember?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. Sure. Never said she didn't.

Of course, she voted for the IWR.

And that's the real kicker.

[TheDeathadder]

28. yeah

it's a real kicker...I've been getting a real kick alright these last few ugly days.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

29. So have the troops.

3,952 as of today.

[TheDeathadder]

32. grow up

open your eyes

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. Hey, pal.

I'm not the one pretending the war is no big deal.

[TheDeathadder]

35. how dare you?

every Dem knows the war is a big deal. Clinton and Obama said they will end the war.

I have gone into plenty of hostile territories to argue an end to the war. No one wants the war to end more than me. I worked for Dennis Kucinich in 2004 to bring attention to the war and how it must be stopped. I have spent so much time and effort to do my part to end the war.

I am tired of having Dem throw the war in Dem face. No one is pretending the war is not a big deal. get off your high horse. It's time to see reality so we can solve and end the war. The war belongs to no one to the point you can throw the war in other people's faces.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. It's pretty hard to take you seriously.

So I won't.

[TheDeathadder]

39. "wow"

"It's pretty hard to take you seriously.
So I won't."

I spoke with facts so you couldn't take me serious. Maybe you'd take me serious if I used slander. that seems to be what you guys like.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. Facts?

Actually, Deathadder, the first thing you said was that Obama voted for all war funding which, putting it nicely, is an untruth. And at the same time it was a dodge of the IWR problem. And then you appeared quite familiar with the May funding "compromise."

So yeah, DA, it's pretty hard to take people like you seriously.

[TheDeathadder]

42. He said he was against the war

and up until election time he funded it. he has funded the war but taken on the disguise of "against the 100%" Why not vote against the funding from the start. In May they were voting more against conditions and not as much for funding. He has funded the war since entering the senate. when they voted down certain conditions Clinton also voted against it. So according to your argument Clinton should be held responsible for the war anymore either since she also voted in May against, right? Because since he entered the Senate he's voted with Clinton the same on the war, but he gets to ride the high horse and only Clinton has blood on her hands? Please...

And don't go throwing the war in my face as your retort...that's just ugly.

[TheDeathadder]

43. not to mention based on your replies

I'd say you are taking me very seriously. Good.

[TheDeathadder]

23. When has he?

"Yet Obama has voted for all of the president's war funding requests since coming to the Senate"

source: The Boston Globe

[SoFlaJet]

4. are you kiddin' me

every single day we see these propaganda posts by the same 5 people-posting all kinds of ridiculousness and spinning away like children in the playground-FOR Clinton...it does get old and causes resentment and retaliatory threads from the other side

[MADem]

5. Gotta hand it to them, though--they got the memo, and they got to work!!!!

You've got to give them a hat tip for loyalty, if not judgment.

[Taverner]

7. How about just looking at voting records

Outside of a few bad choices, both have great voting records.

[TheDeathadder]

8. Go Hillary Clinton!!

You must be doing great because the mud is flying!!

[Perry Logan]

12. I especially like it when the Hillary-haters read her mind--reading her Evil Thoughts.

Listening to anti-Clintonites is like reading a really bad comic book.

[TheDeathadder]

17. or spending the night in an insane asylum

[Little Star]

21. What cracks me up is they spout crap and then don't even

provide a link to what they are spouting about. I think they may not want to see the counter links that discount their BS.

[BuyingThyme]

15. What did she do now?

[TheDeathadder]

18. what does it matter

left right up down...it all brings out the Hillhaters screaming "Hillbots!! Come out and play-ya!!"

[bigtree]

20. foolishness

what's the purpose of this thread?

[TheDeathadder]

25. To tell people to stop the 1000"s of posts today

of people trying to educate Clinton Supporters about Clinton, to stop telling us we were fooled about donations. WE WEREN'T The BS is stacking up to high.

[Vinca]

22. Oh . . . my . . . this post almost sounded

"CULTISH!" But no-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o, Hillary supporters are merely avid supporters of their candidate. The Obama people, however, are planning a convention in Jonestown.:rofl:

[TheDeathadder]

30. yeah

real cultish.

[MadBadger]

31. Pot, I want you to meet my friend Kettle.

[TheDeathadder]

38. please

After Super Tuesday as a Clinton supporter I said what an amazing night Obama had and got a load of mud shoved down my throat.

[HeraldSquare212]

33. "We don't need non-Clinton people to educate us about Hillary Clinton."

and that sounds.....what? close-minded? insular? afraid of "others" unlike, say, Obama, who is in Nebraska speaking to thousands, some of whom have changed their registration to vote in the Democratic caucus?

[TheDeathadder]

37. no but when the "education"

is filled with intentional lies and trouble making to just get us mad about our hard earned dollar donations, I say save it. And please...some of the Obama people are some of the most closed minded people I've ever met. I will say one thing. I think the Obama people are about to get their wish for a full blown gloves off. The locks are on, I'm totally closed minded for Clinton now. A few days back I begged people to consider Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton - run a search on my profile but let's just say I've been "UNIFIED!!"

[Bread and Circus]

40. Did you know she voted against prohibiting the slaughter of small children with cluster bombs?

http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0309-23.htm

Published on Friday, March 9, 2007 by the National Catholic Recorder
Hillary Clinton's Hawkish Record
by Stephen Zunes

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has already assumed front-runner status for the Democratic Party nomination for president despite a foreign policy agenda that closely parallels that of the Bush administration.

Since most of the public criticism of the former first lady has been based on false and exaggerated charges from the right wing, often with a fair dose of sexism, many Democrats have become defensive and reluctant to criticize her. Some liberals end up believing conservative charges that she is on the left wing of the Democratic Party when in reality her foreign policy positions are far closer to Ronald Reagan than George McGovern.

For example, she opposes the international treaty to ban land mines. She voted against the Feinstein-Leahy amendment last September restricting U.S. exports of cluster bombs to countries that use them against civilian-populated areas. She opposes restrictions on U.S. arms transfers and police training to governments that engage in gross and systematic human rights abuses, such as Egypt, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Israel, Pakistan, Cameroon and Chad, to name only a few. She insists upon continuing unconditional funding for the Iraq war and has called for dramatic increases in Bush’s already bloated military budget. She has challenged the credibility of Amnesty International and other human rights groups that criticize policies of the United States and its allies.

Mrs. Clinton has been one of the Senate’s most outspoken critics of the United Nations, even serving as the featured speaker at rallies outside U.N. headquarters in July 2004 and last summer to denounce the world body. She voted to authorize the U.S. invasion of Iraq despite its being a clear violation of the U.N. Charter and in July 2004 falsely accused the United Nations of not taking a stand against terrorism when it has opposed U.S. policy. She was one of the most prominent critics of the International Court of Justice for its landmark 2004 advisory ruling that the Fourth Geneva Conventions on the Laws of War is legally binding on all signatory nations. She condemned the United Nations’ judicial arm for challenging the legality of Israel’s separation barrier in the occupied West Bank and sponsored a Senate resolution “urging no further action by the United Nations to delay or prevent the construction of the security fence.”

Mrs. Clinton has shown little regard for the danger from proliferation of nuclear weapons, not only opposing the enforcement of U.N. Security Council resolutions challenging Pakistan, Israel and India’s nuclear weapons programs but supporting the delivery of nuclear-capable missiles and jet fighters to these countries. This past fall she voted to suspend important restrictions on U.S. nuclear cooperation with countries that violate the Non-Proliferation Treaty...

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