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Leo 9 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 07:27 PM
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Bill and Ted's face-off is a catfight for the Democratic soul
Bill and Ted's face-off is a catfight for the Democratic soul

Ted Kennedy's impassioned support of Obama is about more than just trying to defeat the Clinton machine; it's about making the Democrats the party of social justice once again

February 5, 2008 3:00 AM

While they may appear to differ only slightly in their positions on most issues, the contrast between Obama and Clinton nonetheless reaches far beyond matters of style, hype, or rhetoric. What these two candidates offer is two vastly different visions of what it means - and will mean - to be a Democrat.

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By the 30-minute mark, even the people standing behind Clinton had begun shifting from foot to foot. But then he got to his point, and suddenly the long, detailed, and almost studiously uninspiring nature of the speech seemed to part of an intentional strategy. "I want you to think about this," Clinton told his audience. "People are interested in this election. They're coming out in big crowds. They'd rather have somebody sort of talk to like I'm doing than give a big whoop-te-doo speech. People are thinking, so I want you to think." The rest of the sentence goes unsaid, but is clearly implied: He wants you to think, not feel. Because if you vote based on your emotions, you may pick Obama; but if you use your rational judgment, you can only choose Hillary.

It was just this sort of well-informed pragmatism, of course, that guided the New Democrats of the Democratic Leadership Council. This centre-right clubhouse jettisoned the old-style liberalism of the New Deal and the 1960s civil rights movement and war on poverty, which linked the party's policies - at least in spirit - to some sort of larger quest for social justice. Bill Clinton and the DLC put an end to such visions in the 1990s as they triangulated their way toward a new agenda for the party, arguing for tax breaks for the middle classes, and welfare "reform" and more prisons for the poor. Up with the soccer mom; down with the welfare mother.

In 1996 they passed the most draconian immigration bill in recent history. The DLC enthusiastically supported the Iraq war and attacked those who opposed it. In 2004, they made it their business to knock down Howard Dean, another Democrat who briefly sparked the kind of enthusiasm that might threaten their dominance. Dean once described the DLC as the "Republican wing of the Democratic party", and the DLC responded that Dean (a well-known centrist) represented the "McGovern-Mondale wing" of the party, "defined principally by weakness abroad and elitist, interest-group liberalism at home".

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http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/2008/02/cat_fight_bill_and_ted_face_of.html
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 07:31 PM
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1. Bill lost because of things he said the past month.
Teddy prevails.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 07:36 PM
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2. Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey?
:)
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 07:48 PM
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3. Bull shit, or he would have endorsed Kucinich or Edwards.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 07:52 PM
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4. BINGO! It has NOTHING to do with the heart and soul of the Democratic Party.
It's likely about 2 waring egos who want to be in control. I can understand Bill Clinton not wanting Ted to control Hillary's campaign.
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Leo 9 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:20 PM
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9. I guess he wanted to endorse someone who had shown they could win and win big...
...both as a candidate, and as President.



http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/nelookupsem

"If I could turn back time." should be the Clintons' theme song, rather than "Don't stop, thinking about tomorrow."

We can do better than to have a third term of their co-presidency.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 07:57 PM
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5. It's not really a fight for the party's soul. It's a popularity contest over marketing gimmicks
There would be damn little differences between a Clinton or Obama administration. This is a contest over which gown we wear to the ball. Both candidates are liberal centrists with ties to big capital and a heartfelt desire to make life better for the little guy (aka "me").

I'll take whichever one wins. The key to being a democracy isn't electing the right leader, it's keeping an informed populace active in the lobbying process. Elections don't solve our problems; they only open up possibilities for making life a little better.

Vote for whoever now. Your real work will come in October and in the next January.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 07:58 PM
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6. Kennedy lost in his HOME STATE. nt
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 07:59 PM
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7. Tune in Sunday Sunday Sunday!
You'll pay for the entire seat, but you'll only need the Edge Edge Edge!
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:03 PM
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8. if this shit doesn't stop ...the soul will gasp its last breath as a Dem
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