Hillary is a centrist. Obama is progressive and against the DLC!

[jackson_dem]

The biggest reason Obama is killing Hillary among the blogosphere is the perception of him as a progressive and Hillary as a centrist. How can this be so when neither has any policy disagreement with the DLC, the embodiment of Democratic centrism? How can this be when they have the same voting records and positions?

[kikiek]

1. They are ranked close to equal. He plugged in on the graph at 80 liberal she is 85.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

Hillary Clinton is a Hard-Core Liberal.
Click here for explanation of political philosophy.
Click here for VoteMatch quiz.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm

[ingac70]

2. Probably because Hillary is...

actually in the DLC leadership...

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=137

[jackson_dem]

5. Who cares?

What policy disagreements does Obama have with the DLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLCCCCCCCCC?

[joshcryer]

3. Character attacks are really lame. I go by their plans.

And I find that Hillary's plans are by far more progressive than Obama's.

[ThatPoetGuy]

14. Edit: I misread your post, sorry!

Hillary's health care plan covers ALL Americans. Obama attacks her universal health care plan by parroting right-wing talking points about mandates. Progressive Points: Hillary 1, Obama 0.

Their Iraq plans are identical, except his plan curiously includes right-wing propaganda linking Iraq to September 11th. Hillary 2, Obama zero.

[bidenista]

4. obama is a latte liberal. look at the econ. breakdown of the voting demographic

People who are struggling financially go Hillary. Wonder why that is?

[dflprincess]

11. Beats me

when one remembers NAFTA, CAFTA and the welfare "reform" of the Clinton years.

But, I'm not an Obama fan either. I was so looking forward to this election, I just can't believe I'm going to stuck voting for one of these corportists in Novmeber.

[Cameron27]

6. Obama sure sounds DLC

"Democrats' Disease" "Issues that prevent Dems from getting elected" "The excesses of the 60's and 70's"

If Clinton ever said anything like that this board would erupt.

[Leo 9]

12. DLC Leadership Team

DLC Leadership Team



From left to right: Harold Ford, Jr. is chairman of the DLC. U.S. Sen. Tom Carper is vice chair of the DLC; U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is chair of the DLC's American Dream Initiative; Al From is founder and CEO of the DLC. (Not pictured: Bruce Reed is DLC president; Pennsylvania State Representative Jennifer Mann is chair of the DLC's Legislative Advisory Board (LAB); Columbus (OH) Mayor Michael Coleman is chair of the DLC's Local Elected Officials Network(LEON).)

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=137

[nonconformist]

7. I couldn't agree more.

I think a great deal of his support is the anti-Clinton vote, because they perceive her to be far too centrist. So they assume that her biggest competitor must be more liberal and more progressive.

It's just.not.true.

[jackson_dem]

15. It is very sad. Obama is getting a lot of support because of blind hope

Not all of his supporters are blind but some of them support him because the believe he is the cure to the DLC when he and Hillary are two sides of the DLC coin.

[K Gardner]

8. You read the following post earlier and RESPONDED to it..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4465502&mesg_id=4465502

Did you really need to start another thread to parrot the same crap you repeated over and over the last time?
Disingenuous, much??

[jackson_dem]

10. No one answered the question

What disagreement does Obama with the DLC? Speaking of disingenuous...

The truth is crap. If you are a kool aid drinks...

There are real reasons to support Obama. Him being different than Hillary on centrism and the DLC is definitely not one of them.

[sjdnb]

9. Money + Celebrity + M$M Lovefest =

Momentum

It's why JE is out of the race. The most progressive of the three.

No one cares about going back and actually researching their past statements and voting records, methodically, objectively.

It's much easier to have celebrities and the M$M tell us who we should vote for. And, if the candidate is a good speaker with charisma, it's even easier.

If this weren't the way it was we'd have had Presidents Stevenson, McGovern, and Gore - and, John Edwards would be a contender, if not leading, this primary cycle. But, it is what it is. And, it is why updating/revising the Fairness Doctrine, Equal Time, and Campaign Finance Reform are so important.

[MasonJar]

13. I have been trying to tell this board from day one that Hillary Clinton is

quite liberal. She spent many years as a children's advocate when she could have been garnering big money as a Yale Law School grad. She worked hard for Bill's health initiative, which was scuttled by the legions of Clinton haters in the Pug Congress. How Hillary got a reputation as less liberal than Obama is beyond me. Obama is a stupendous orator. I have heard him in person twice, but he has been disappointing in his voting in Congress, especially early on before he was running for pres. However, if he is the nominee the majority of democrats select, I will work diligently for him, even though I prefer Hillary Clinton

[Lerkfish]

16. actually, even though Obama is more progressive than Hillary

(which isn't that hard, actually), you're right that there is not enough of a difference between them. I would have much preferred Kucinich.