It's not a Cult, It's a Movement

[JackORoses]

Movement
- the progress of events, as in a narrative or drama.
- Fine Arts. the suggestion of motion in a work of art, either by represented gesture in figurative painting or sculpture or by the relationship of structural elements in a design or composition.
- a progressive development of ideas toward a particular conclusion: the movement of his thought.
- a series of actions or activities intended or tending toward a particular end: the movement toward universal suffrage.
- a diffusely organized or heterogeneous group of people or organizations tending toward or favoring a generalized common goal: the antislavery movement; the realistic movement in art.

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Get with the Times, People!

It's called Zeitgeist

"Who can stop what must arrive now?
Something new is waiting
To be born"

[jkshaw]

1. Thanks for this Jack

You've given me a comeback

[readmoreoften]

2. Nope. It's a cult.

Movements have clear goals. I've been part of movements. This is a cult.

[Mojorabbit]

5. Oh stop

I am not an Obama supporter and your post is full of it. The goal is the white house, his policies are on his website and have only a minor difference from Hillarys. Each has their own way of campaigning and winning people to their side.

[JackORoses]

17. You fear what you don't understand. It's a shame really.

The Goal is so much more than the White House.

Your choice of candidate has distorted your perceptions of what is possible in this world.

[niceypoo]

34. Cult of personality

A cult of personality or personality cult arises when a country's leader uses mass media to create a larger-than-life public image through unquestioning flattery and praise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality">Of course those caught up in a cult of personality are always the last to see it.

[JackORoses]

42. We like Obama for what he has done and will do

You like Hillary despite what she has done and will do. You are willing to overlook any wrongdoing because you are so invested in the myth of Hillary.
She no longer cares if people base there votes on the Truth, just so long as they vote for her.

You are the ones who refuse to see what is right in front of you.

[jackson_dem]

45. This is a classic example of why people view Obamites as a cult

It's all "belief" based. One Obamite has a signature line in which he says "BELIEF leads to HOPE, HOPE leads to CHANGE, if you BELIEVE enough there is no way we can lose!".

The belief: Hillary is evil. Conversely, Obama is a saint. Never mind they are the same on the issues and have the same voting records.

[JackORoses]

50. Obama is no Saint. Hillary is not Evil, but she is dishonest.

and she does employ Dirty Old Political tactics.

I see no place for them in our Nation's Future.

Hillary and Obama are not the same. This will not be true no matter how many times you say it.

People all across this Nation are reaching this conclusion. They have a real choice.

Does this frighten you?

[jackson_dem]

51. So does Obama

Obama has run a clean campaign? :rofl:

Where are they different?

People are split. Hillary won Super Tuesday 49-48.

There is no real choice thanks to the corporate owned media. That frightens me.

[JackORoses]

54. "Where are they different?"

Obama has not been fighting in a Partisan War for 20 years.
He has not made permanent enemies on the other side.
Hillary admits she bears scars from this.
We need someone who is whole and undamaged.


Obama has Youthfullness.
Obama has Inspiration.
Obama has Honesty.
Obama has Wisdom.
Obama is Change for the Party and the Country.

Hillary Clinton simply is not.

[jackson_dem]

55. All of that is belief based or irrelevant

Obama's inexperience is a negative. He hasn't made enemies because he hasn't fought for anything.

Age is irrelevant. Inspiration, honest, wisdom, and "change" and Hillary "simply not" being any of those things is based completely on belief, no any quantifiable facts.

On policy they are similar.

[JackORoses]

56. Hillary cannot be Change. She is what we are changing from.

I think you know this deep down.

[Mojorabbit]

59. I don't have a candidate

I am not crazy about either. My candidate dropped out. There is no cult. It is like fucking kindergarten around here. There is not a hair's breath of difference between their policies. One has a better ability to move people to get involved in the process. One has a lot of baggage.

[kurth]

8. The only clear goal is to worship Obama

[rodeodance]

15. as the redemming savior

[Cha]

20. You sound whiny

like you don't really have anything of substance to add.

[Whisp]

26. a bit clearer than worshipping the establishment of hurt.

that hillary represents.

[JackORoses]

10. how would you know what our goals are?

One of the biggest is to save this Country from the likes of Hillary. People who divide us in order to rule.

Do you really want a few:

- No More War
- Affordable Healthcare
- Economic Aid
- Social Justice
- Redemption on the World Stage
- Comprehensive Immigration Reform
- Election Reform
and the beat goes on...

[rodeodance]

19. always saving someone/something--Obamababies to the rescue

One of the biggest is to save this Country from the likes of Hillary. People who divide us in order to rule.

[Tatiana]

24. Transparency in government... n/t

[jackson_dem]

46. Democratic boilerplate

Every Democratic candidate ran on:

- No More War
- Affordable Healthcare
- Economic Aid
- Social Justice
- Redemption on the World Stage
- Comprehensive Immigration Reform
- Election Reform

[faithfulcitizen]

16. well, since you "readmoreoften" you must know.

I guess.

[Cha]

18. Sorry, your credibility

is bankrupt.

[Capn Sunshine]

22. Hillary's campaign is a cult? News to me.

Oh I get it. The other guy's is a cult. Yours is a campaign
Thanks for clearing that up.

But that bunch of kool-aid drinkers from His44 are ruining it for everyone at DU.
Not that they care, after all, it's win at all costs, even integrity.

[niceypoo]

31. Cult of personality

A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality">cult of personality or personality cult arises when a country's leader uses mass media to create a larger-than-life public image through unquestioning flattery and praise. Cults of personality are often found in dictatorships but can be found in some democracies as well.

Generally speaking, personality cults are most common in regimes with totalitarian systems of government, that seek to radically alter or transform society according to revolutionary new ideas. Often, a single leader becomes associated with this revolutionary transformation, and he becomes treated as a benevolent "guide" for the nation, without whom the transformation to a better future cannot occur.

This is exactly what they have in N Korea and this is what Obamas supporters are turning his campaign into.

[stimbox]

3. Like a bowel movement only with a charismatic leader.

Why does a certain Living Color song also come to mind?

[Cha]

23. Careful your

jealousy is getting uglier.

[stimbox]

33. yeah, that's it. jealousy!

:spray:

[Dogmudgeon]

4. As if that's any better

What is this movement, then? The Destroy Hillary Clinton's Career movement? The Elect Barack Obama movement? A lot of poetry has been written in support of a political contest.

Obama supporters have been extremely hurt by the cult criticism. There must be enough to it to strike a chord. I have a better suggestion than taking offense -- why not just avoid cult-like behavior? The conversion stories, the mass chanting, the emotional excess, none of them are required to run a successful campaign.

Obama erred in trying to make the zeal of a mass movement do the work of explaining policy and getting out the vote. It's nice to see so many people involved in politics, but after the bubble bursts, they are going to associate political involvement with youthful kicks, which was the primary "excess of the 1960s". It is not too late to turn a quasi-messianic movement into a political campaign based on reality and not megalomania.

--p!

[JackORoses]

21. the 'Make Our World a Better Place' Movement, How's that for ya?

We are not hurt by Hillarite smear, thought we do pity you, and hope for your future awakening.

[Dogmudgeon]

43. Make The World A Better Place movement

I think I've been part of that for about 30 years now. Funny, but there was never a requirement to believe in Barack Obama.

And you should double-check your rhetoric. "Awakening", ersatz pity for outsiders, and moral exclusivity are hallmarks of ... cults. You may want to avoid that kind of talk, even if you can't avoid that kind of thinking.

--p!

[JackORoses]

49. you certainly have become cynical and disillusioned after 30 years

You may want to avoid telling people what not to say, Little Piggy, that is also the hallmark of a Cultist.
See the Hillarite Creed "Hill's way or the Highway"

[Dogmudgeon]

57. Just wary of the bullshit, Jack-O

The idea that one person alone has the truth and all others are evil does not inspire confidence or hope. It's wonderful if you're in the Great Man's favor, but otherwise, you get the horns and a pointy tail. The cynicism is Team Obama's -- for thinking that they are the sole possessors of the truth, of hope, and of goodness -- and that anyone who runs against Obama is an enemy of that goodness.

He's running for president, not God.

And if you took offense at "you may want to" -- that's some mighty thin skin. I wrote it that way because I thought it was nicer than saying "you sound just like a cultist".

--p!

[kurth]

6. Obamageist

And the objective of the collective is Obama.

[Clintonista2]

7. Is there such thing as a cult that realizes it's a cult?

[kurth]

11. That question can make your head hurt

like that pitcher of delicious cold beverage.

[JackORoses]

25. it certainly has not occurred to the Hillarites yet.

[nonconformist]

27. Nope.

As evidenced.

[jackson_dem]

47. Good question. I don't think there is

[Bread and Circus]

9. Exactly. But they want to call it a cult and it's the same idiots that are

doing so are the same ones who made liberal a bad word.

[jackson_dem]

48. You mean the same idiots who talk about the liberal 'excesses of the 60's and 70's"?

[Jim Sagle]

12. The Obama movement ain't nuthin' but a bowel movement.

:beer:

[JackORoses]

28. you and stimbox from up the thread have jinxed each other with your mirrored statements

You must now drop a load in each others mouth. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.

[Jim Sagle]

60. Collect THIS.

[cbayer]

13. Obama speaks to the heart, Clinton speaks to the brain.

You can't live without either one.

[Cha]

29. Obama speaks to my heart and brain..

hilary has shown her true chameleon colors since Oct, 2002..that's a long time to figure where hilary is coming from and it ain't pretty.

[JackORoses]

30. Hillary speaks to the Reptile Brain, Obama to the NeoCortex

[Cha]

14. Of course it's a Movement.. that

happened on the way to the coronation so they're still trying to figure it out.

[Texas_Kat]

32. At best, it's a Brownian Movement

Brownian movement or motion, zigzag, irregular motion exhibited by minute particles of matter when suspended in a fluid.
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0809161.html

In other words, a lot of motion without any discernable forward progress.

Here's some more:

Intuitive metaphor for Brownian motion

Consider a large balloon of 10 meters in diameter. Imagine this large balloon in a football stadium or any widely crowded area. The balloon is so large that it lies on top of many members of the crowd. Because they are excited, these fans hit the balloon at different times and in different directions with the motions being completely random. In the end, the balloon is pushed in random directions, so it should not move on average. Consider now the force exerted at a certain time. We might have 20 supporters pushing right, and 21 other supporters pushing left, where each supporter is exerting equivalent amounts of force. In this case, the forces exerted from the left side and the right side are imbalanced in favor of the left side; the balloon will move slightly to the left. This imbalance exists at all times, and it causes random motion. If we look at this situation from above, so that we cannot see the supporters, we see the large balloon as a small object animated by erratic movement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownian_motion

[JackORoses]

39. if there wasn't forward progress, this race would be over

nice cut n paste, though

[moosen]

35. It's an ill timed social experiment

run amok

[JackORoses]

40. It is a runaway success of a Social Experiment, and this is the most opportune of times

[mondo joe]

36. What cult ever admits to being a cult? Which cultists ever admit to being cultists?

[rodeodance]

37. no its just a plane.

[Tektonik]

38. who cares if it's a cult or not

All that matters is that Obama is wrong on many issues, and on others (such as Iraq) he's deceptive or downright lying what he'll do as president.

[JackORoses]

41. make a little effort, post some of these issues where Obama is wrong

or do we just have to take your word on it?

[Tektonik]

52. healthcare, Iraq, gay marriage

His healthcare plan is not universal and is a mere bandaid for our current system.

He preaches about getting out of Iraq and not making permanent bases, but at the same time he wishes to secure its borders, step in if Al Qaeda makes an Iraqi base, and defend our embassies. The phrase 'permanent base' is a very loose one, and in the context of Obama's words and actions (voting for war funding, hawkish rhetoric towards Iran and Pakistan) I don't believe a word he says about him wanting to end the war in Iraq. I think he would be satisfied with bombing runs, low-scale ground warfare and the such. Obama is no Kucinich, Gravel, nor Ron Paul for this matter.

McClurkin, Caldwell, etc. http://news.lavenderliberal.com/ is an amazing news source for Obama's campaign pandering to homophobes unapologetically and many other stories affecting lgbt'ers.

[jackson_dem]

44. Here's what a cult of personality is...

A cult of personality or personality cult arises when a country's leader uses mass media to create a larger-than-life public image through unquestioning flattery and praise. Cults of personality are often found in dictatorships but can be found in some democracies as well.

A cult of personality is similar to general hero worship except that it is specifically built around political leaders. However, the term may be applied by analogy to refer to adulation of non-political leaders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality

[earth mom]

53. No, it's a Brainwashed Kool Aid Drinking Cult.

:yoiks:

[Josiah1982]

58. Cult.

[End Of The Road]

62. ditto. nt

[izzybeans]

61. It's typical of forces trying to suppress a movement to equate it with a cult or angry

mob. Nothing new here.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

63. The cult thing is great publicity for Obama in the MSM

people don't believe it is a cult but are getting excited. It will backfire on the people who decided on the cult thing, probably the GOP.