The cult war on DU yesterday was no accident.

[Big Blue Marble]

It is no coincidence, that we had the cult war here yesterday.
I typed in cult and Obama and came up with this list. I only go to
page 4 and quit. If you click on these links, you will find that most
of them are dated yesterday. This is an orchestrated attack for the top.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/and-obama-wept.html

http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/forum/thread/gossip/6004472/page-1.html?watch=1

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/barackobama/story/0,,2236804,00.html

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/2/7/112248/5633

http://edstrong.blog-city.com/obama_leads_a_messianic_cult.htm

http://bustardblog.typepad.com/bustardblog/2008/02/the-cult-of-oba.html

http://dailysally.blogspot.com/2008/01/youth-for-obama-adult-or-cult.html

http://www.idsnews.com/blogs/thesamplegates/?p=157

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/greenwald/2374

http://leftword.blogdig.net/archives/articles/February2008/07/Obama__Cult___Evangelicalism_or_Political_Campaign_.html

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/170951.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080206183329AAcZPbr

http://www.radicalleft.net/blog/_archives/2008/1/7/3448360.html

Notice a pattern. Amazing number of these are dated February 7th.

Suddenly this is a topic of conversion all at the same time?

[MadBadger]

1. I'm starting to agree with this.

[Big Blue Marble]

4. Check some of these links.

It is amazing. Most of them are dated the same day. All these people were
suddenly motivated on the same day to write all over the internet their oh so
serious concerns with the Obama "cult."

I do not think so. This is swiftboating pure and simple.

[Name removed]

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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Whisp]

3. directives from Karls pig brother Mark?

not surprised.
surprised so many eat that slop so easily tho.

[Lucinda]

5. The ABC and Guardian links don't work

Haven't checked the others yet

[Big Blue Marble]

10. Thanks for telling me.

I copied them from a post that I had made. Guess that did not work.

I will fix them.

[Lucinda]

17. I would have checked more but some are slow loading on dial-up

and I'm about to crash. :)

And I think I saw the first "cult" mention about a week or so ago. I think it was a NYT article. Can't remember for certain though.

[McCamy Taylor]

126. NYT Editorial uses the word "cult" for subliminal purposes on Feb. 6

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/06/opinion/06wed1.html?_r=1&bl&ex=1202446800&en=57f51ea44755452d&ei=5087%0A&oref=slogin

Having run on the idea of broad participation across society’s divisions, Mr. Obama’s campaign often seems to teeter on becoming a cult of personality — a feeling that the candidate and those around him do nothing to dispel. In an interview with ABC’s “Good Morning America,” on Monday, Mr. Obama’s wife, Michelle, was asked if she would work to support Mrs. Clinton if she won. “I’d have to think about that,” she replied.

Cult of personality and cult are not the same things at all---however the newspaper of record knew exactly what it was doing when it put the C word in the title of that essay.

I would blame then for the rash of "Cult" stories that started yesterday. Everyone noticed that Obama was Messianic months ago. I even wrote about it in my journal. That is no secret. Messianic just means a figure who brings change and hope. So, when a Newspaper uses the word "cult" about a campaign with a messianic type politician, you do not need a degree in political journalism to know where people will run with it.

The NYT has endorsed Hillary Clinton.

I hate it when the corporate media plays games like this.

However, I think that some Obama people may have helped push the story on the left wing blogs through their objections to the NYT piece which would have been better ignored maybe since it was subliminal and meant to inflame a lot of "Oh, no, we are not a cult!" response.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4448390

[Yossariant]

6. Still WRONG:

Messianic rhetoric infuses Obama rallies

By: Ben Smith and David Paul Kuhn

Dec 9, 2007 06:04 PM EST
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7281.html

December 11, 2007 12:00 AM

Obama the Messianic

A savior offering messages of “the truth" and hope.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTQ4ZjExZmUxOTllMGRkOGFmNWY2NWUwZDQ2ZmRhYzM=

Will Al Gore endorse Obama to complete the messianic campaign?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/29/0174/56149

January 31, 2006
The Mystery of the Obama Cult
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2006/01/the_mystery_of_the_obama_cult.html

[Big Blue Marble]

24. No not wrong.

I did not say that the topic was introduced on the 7th.

It just blossomed yesterday. Seeds sprouting everywhere. On ABC and the Guardian
plus bloggers are us for Clinton.

[Bongo Prophet]

36. Yes, in social media terms, it "went viral" yesterday.

Like a smallpox blanket.

[Jed Dilligan]

103. Obviously a spontaneous realization

that all mature, intelligent Democrats had simultaneously.

:eyes:

[rch35]

131. I just had a spontaneous realization....

you just proved through that comment alone, that not only are you unintelligent, but also immature.


P.S.


You're a complete douchebag.

[leveymg]

111. The Politico - of course! Owned by Bush media ally, Albritton Communications

The Politico is just a more sophisticated and hi-tech version of the The Washington Times. A GOP propaganda and disinformation organ, as is Facebook.

The diarist at DKos - Flatoutspent - signed off the site on 2/2/08 after a mere ten days of obnoxious, inflamatory trolling. Definitely a send-up.

The NationalReview.com and AmericanThinker sites speak for themselves.

Viral, no question, like herpes.

[dkf]

7. They stopped trying to use the scary black man thing after Bill got bashed over

his Jesse Jackson remark.

They had to go to another fear tactic.

Hillary is poisonous.

[Sensitivity]

9. The goal is to CAGE the Obama campaign and create a FEAR factor that works

in the silence of the voting booth.

[dkf]

14. Yup. I can imagine them thinking away...now how can we turn all this

positive enthusiasm into a negative? Aha! We Will Call Them A Cult!

The Clinton's are very good at creating negative emotions.

[sandnsea]

25. Go all Harry Truman on their ass

Just tell the truth and they'll think it's hell.

These Indian connections will win Ohio and PA. No way will people believe they care about jobs when they're connected to outsourcers. The fundraising dirt will turn off Texas. And that's game over.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4473288

[Josiah1982]

8. Paranoia paradise Cult.

:crazy:

[Drunken Irishman]

12. Do you belong to the Cult of Jacqueline?

Cause I'd like to join!

[Big Blue Marble]

26. Clever oh so clever.

As usual when faced with hard evidence, Clinton supporters resort to insults.

Makes no never mind to me.

[cboy4]

11. You have to admit this is true:

"the Obama volunteers speak of 'coming to Obama' in the same way born-again Christians talk about 'coming to Jesus.'"

And how about reading the links that you post?

A majority of them are broken, so your OP makes no sense that this is all over the internets.

[Drunken Irishman]

13. Not broken, the URLs were cut off because they were too long.

[Big Blue Marble]

19. They are all working now. I hope. n/t

[Babel_17]

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[Crunchy Frog]

22. The problem is that you copied them into a document

before putting them into your post, or copied them from a post onto a document and then back into a post. If you copy them straight from the source onto the post, they won't get cut off like that.

[Bongo Prophet]

38. Yes, young people often do that, esp. if they've not yet developed a political rhetoric.

I am coming from a candidate neutral place, and respect your vote for whomever - and can see that there are many young "fans" that go overboard. The Beatles, RFK, etc all have had young fans who are so moved thay have an overdose of hope and optimism and cause.
That is because the young were about 10-15 years old when W grabbed power. they are feeling a wave of change for the first time in their lives, and we need to deal with that. It comes out in wierd ways, for sure.
They should be tutored and nurtured, so they keep their dreams alive while maturing. They will be our allies in the future, and, if we do not alienate them , theyt will vote in this election.
WE NEED THEM.

the more we insult the young for their foibles, the less good can come of it.
If you have any sense of maturity yourself, you can see both the frivolous narure of the more overboard supporters, and the more sensible, but truly fired up comrades we will have in our common fight.

i've seen your posts for a while, you're a smart guy. I think you can see how the "cult" name calling demeans us all, and hurts the party. People do embarrassing things at all ages, but we should have the wisdom to see the big picture, don't you think?

[cboy4]

44. Yes I agree with you....I just have always found the

rock star-like way some people embrace politicians is something I can't relate to.

Whether it's Obama or Hillary or whomever.

I admit it's an issue with me.

Politicians do nothing but disappoint me, so I vote for the Democrat and nothing more.

I posted something today about how I don't understand how people can turn over so much of their hard earned money to politicians.

I don't get it.

Having said all of that, enthusiasm is good.

And yes, I can see how references to "cult" are insulting or demeaning.

And I did a good job staying out of them all night until I weakened and decided to post what may or may not be a valid point.

I would hope as I work on my behavior during the primary ugliness, some Obama supporters would strive to do the same.

Because it's divisive and yes, hurts the party.

Don't you think?

[Bongo Prophet]

47. We concur. I am also not a "joiner" type personality, so am pretty immune.

It kept me from being open minded about it for a time, and I was leaning Edwards.
I have had pros and cons for all of them for a long time, so pretty easy to talk with level headed DUers across the spectrum.
Now I am just trying to keep a level head, as the fighting is more destructive than which of the choices wins out.

It may come down to HOW candidate X wins, rather than which, and how much damage done.
Between the FLA/MI delegates and the possibility of Superdelegates making the final decision, we are in perilous waters.

I also wrongly went off on someone yesterday, and it felt really bad, as it was so out of character for me.
It gave me pause, but a new resolve to not let it happen again.
And of course a sincere apology to the harmed party.

I will likely continue to piss off fanatics from both camps, as an equal opportunity "scold" or thread nanny, but that comes with that role. ;)
You and I will have no rancor between us I think, as we are communicating.
I respect whatever choice you make in the primaries, and look forward to fighting alongside you in the general.

:hi:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

65. Not a "joiner". Been hearing that a lot.

From people who "joined" DU, post regularly, and pretty much go along with the culture here.

But you're not "joiners".

[Bongo Prophet]

81. I did not mean it in a perjorative sense, perhaps I should have said I am slow

'As in, slow to get deeply involved in a group phenomenon. I like to read and study and balance things over time, and that has nothing to do with Senator Obama. It precedes it, and goes back to childhood.

That does not mean I have never joined in anything, just that I am more likely to be cautiously interested. I am friendly to your side, and if he is the nom I will support him. Right now I am more interested in helping either side against childish accusations, and right now that is the cult thing. Before that it was the crying, or the trashing by both sides of anyone who endorsed anyone.

I understand that you could see it as an insult, but it was not meant to be that. It was just an honest statement to my fellow DUer.

If "pretty much go along with the culture here" means I try to follow the rules and treat fellow members with civility to the extent that I can, then that is true. Discourse with others requires that respect and the ability to listen, and I think it wise to keep it at the forefront here.

Otherwise we get stuff like this GDP battlezone.
Good luck in your fight.

[nolabels]

15. Thank you for paying attention and isn't the Internet a grand machine.........

Too bad and tough nuts for those who think they can fool all of us all the time :thumbsup:


Good job Big Blue Marble, good job :-)

[Name removed]

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[bidenista]

18. there's only one possible explanation

[Crunchy Frog]

20. Nice observation.

I hope that we will begin seeing some meaningful moderating around here.

[jedgarbauer]

21. "Sorry - Link Not Found"

and Kathleen Willy found her credit cards missing, pets hung on doorstep and Vince Foster's wife is still filing suit! ROTFLMAO!!!

[Name removed]

23. Deleted message

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[AtomicKitten]

27. Reindeer games brought to you by the Media Heathers.

Feh.

No worries. :)

[blogslut]

64. Media Heathers

Nice turn of phrase! :toast:

[Radical Activist]

28. The attacks all appeared in cult-like unison

Ironic.

[Big Blue Marble]

29. Projection is a bitch, isn't it? n/t

[rodeodance]

30. Obama has been the msm darling--for the most part. I think they grasped

onto something that many of us are feeling. I do not like the word cult by the way and do not think I have used it.

My point is--i do think is some grand "orchestrated attack for the top".

[Big Blue Marble]

31. They focus grouped and found a way to attack.

Because that is only way they know to win. Hillary presents herself especially to women as this

caring person at the same time Mark Penn is stirring up this shit. If half of her voters understood

this is the way that they win by manipulating fear emotions the same way the swiftboaters

did to Kerry, do you think they would vote for her.

We have agonized for years, the way the Bushies used fear to win elections and now

this is going on under our noses.

[rodeodance]

33. Don't srart with blaming on the Hillary campaign.It will not make you or your

group look good. you have NOthing to base your accusations/speculations on at all.

[Bongo Prophet]

40. It might be a good methodology to do some sleuthing first.

If you think this is coming straight from Penn, well that is a good suspicion to check out.
If you think it could be a Karl Rove bank shot to divide us, that is also possible.

If we had more of each camp, who have the best interests of the party and country in mind, we could research it together.
I know for damn sure that if I had a favorite candidate who was PROVEN to have done this, I would demand a firing of those responsible.
Are there any Clinton supporters who have ethics above winning, who could do this? I honestly am not sure.

If the candidates situation were reversed, could you honestly say you would not pile on?
This is the question we must all ask ourselves.

[truedelphi]

117. Before this election cycle, Bill was seen as rather

Uniquely magnanimous.

Now he is out there taking no prisoners, and on the attack.

Hillary would have been better off doing things his way than converting him to her way.

[Hekate]

32. How do you go about finding the real source? Stop assuming it's Clinton & think Rove...

These tactics are "divide and conquer" -- so typical of Rove et al.

BMM, you have done a really good job of noticing this phenomenon and pulling together the evidence that it is a phenomenon. But I notice that the posters in this thread are all assuming it originates in the Clinton camp, when that might very well not be the case.

Ask this important question instead: Who does it serve to divide Democrats so deeply that we can't come together around whoever the eventual nominee is?

Who does it serve? All of you already know the answer.

Hekate

[rodeodance]

34. Blaming in the H. campaign as some conspiracy theory will not accomplish

anything and make the Obama camp look bad.

[Big Blue Marble]

35. Thank you for the compliment about picking up on the pattern.

The scary part was that it did not take very long to see it.

Why do we think it is Clinton? That is a fair question. It would also be in the Repukes interest to take
him down. But this has the fingerprints of the Clintons. The left wing blogs and the UK Guardian for starters.


And then there is this thread describing a video in which Hillary is being interviewed by a reporter
while she is still in Arkansas. She says to the reporter:

"If that doesn't work, then you go in and try to beat the brains of the other guy out."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4474045


This is the way she plays. And afterwards when she has won, we are all suppose to be good
little children and do our part to support her.

[NMMNG]

37. "But this has the fingerprints of the Clintons..

The left wing blogs and the UK Guardian for starters."


OMG, they've bought out the entire left wing Blogosphere and the UK at that. No wonder the Clinton campaign was broke.


:rofl:

[Big Blue Marble]

39. Who said they had to buy out the entire left wing blogoshere

or the Uk whatever you meant by that?

I just love it when people think they are so funny that they have to laugh at their own jokes.

If you're really funny, someone else would laugh at your stupid "joke."

I was referring specifically to the links above. Of course, I doubt that even you looked at them.

You were just too busy laughing at yourself.

[NMMNG]

42. I looked at the links

I'd actually posted some of them here earlier.

I was laughing not at my "joke" but at the idea that you believe the Clintons are behind this cult notion. If you do some real research you'll find it's been out there for years both in the news media and in the Blogosphere. It's not a grand conspiracy to unseat Obama. It's a great many people who are all coming to the same conclusion. The fact that some don't like it can't be helped.

[Eurobabe]

54. I think this is organized by other sources

If I found out it truly was organized by the Clinton machine, I might be tempted to not vote for her at all in the GE. This is something the GOP desperately wants BTW.

[Bongo Prophet]

41. That is my suspicion as well, Hekate. i have known of Karl's tactics since Texas.

you know, the "our office is bugged, the dems did it!"

WE call it the "Karl rove Bank Shot" - and a part of the technique is to use college republicans as the foot soldiers.
The current climate here is a part of that proccess. They know to target "cultural influentials" which is the term for us here.
Every person they turn into frothing assholes or dispirited cynics can effect 10 fold, with exponential growth outward.

This is also the way that "astroturf" works, with fake grass roots orgs.

They FEAR the new voters that are coming in with Obama, more than they fear Obama himself.
Clinton's are a known commodity to them, and they know how to raise money in that ecosystem, but the demographics are against them.

I am glad you are thinking a few steps ahead. :thumbsup:

[Hekate]

105. Very good term for it: "Karl Rove bank shot." The current climate here plays right into KR's paws...

Hatred, anger, despair, cynicism -- just what the right wing ordered.

I'm not a "follow the money" kind of person, but early into the Bush administration as I was beating my head trying to understand why the hell they were doing so many things that were so unbelievably destructive of the nation, I had an epiphany: "Who does it serve?" And asking that question has served me very well ever since.

Hekate

[KittyWampus]

70. the FACT so many Hillary supporters engage in this shit on DU says a lot. It almost doesn't

matter if it comes from Penn or Rove.

The FACT is Hillary supporters have embraced it. Whole-heartedly.

Should Obama get the nomination, they'll have contributed to something extremely destructive and loathsome.

[stillcool]

74. These tactics are typical...

think of the retractions and apologies the Clinton campaign has had to make. I suspect this one will have the same boomerang effect.

[nolabels]

90. I assume that it came from some part of the entrenched establishment

The establishment feels threatened and will resort to anything they can possibly get away with in an effort bring people down to their level. This idea that working stiffs might have some say in the thing that's taking place right in front of us all probably really gnaws at the ideas they have. The thinking that the public rather than some focus group will be deciding what the choices are does not sit well with the establishment.

We have some of the evidence and a good idea who might be part of it. The establishment is like a flock of birds, they fly in front in unison and even at the end of them they fly in unison. They wouldn't admit it but you can bet they are following in it. BBM is probably one of us unconventional posters that chose to ask those different and or sometimes those not so popular questions. Not in malice but just in wondering more than anything

[AZBlue]

120. Unfortunately, it's turned out that there's not much difference.

As a matter of fact, Rove's without a job, right? Wonder who he's secretly working for?

[kristopher]

127. Limbaugh is pushing the "cult" meme.

[Dogmudgeon]

43. There's a run on Reynolds Wrap!

:tinfoilhat:

It's used to wrap up the Whine and Cheese.

--p!

[ProSense]

52. No, it's this:

7.3 million votes for Obama

7.3 million votes for Hillary

[Dogmudgeon]

56. Well, that's the cheese.

--p!

[Straight Shooter]

113. Not the cheese. Just the sound of the cheese being cut.

I really didn't think the links could get any bigger in Linklady's posts. My bad.

[Maribelle]

45. When did Obama say 'This guy was God before I was . . .'?

Google that.

The answer to that question, when did Obama say 'This guy was God before I was . . .', might clue you in as to when the term 'cult' began its wide-spread use.


http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBF_enUS226US226&q=obama+%22This+guy+was+God+before+I+was+%2e+%2e+%2e%22

[TheDoorbellRang]

80. At a Hollywood party/fundraiser last April

Where's he's joking around with Morgan Freeman:

Up close, the maw of the money machine can seem a weird place. (Having purchased a ticket in order to bypass Obama's press sentries, I am the only reporter, it appears, who is free to roam the event.) When Morgan Freeman comes over to greet Obama, the senator begins bowing down both hands in worship. "This guy was president before I was," says Obama, referring to Freeman's turn in Deep Impact and, clearly, getting a little ahead of his own bio. Next, a nod to Bruce Almighty: "This guy was God before I was." (Okay, more than a little ahead.) But Freeman is eating it up. Leaning in, he tells the senator to win it. "I will," Obama replies. "That's why I'm running."

http://www.mensvogue.com/business/politics/feature/articles/2007/04/status_report_obama?printable=true¤tPage=all

My God (My Freeman? My Obama?), we can't have any joking around now, can we? Clearly he's got a God Complex. :eyes:

[jillan]

118. interesting...

[rug]

46. If he hadn't attempted mass levitation in Missouri yesterday, it would not have happened.

[alcibiades_mystery]

59. But the people actually levitated

Which should count for something...:evilgrin:

[Straight Shooter]

114. But their heads were spun around, facing the wrong direction.

So that should count for something, too. :evilgrin:

[Ian_walker]

48. DREAM TICKET First candidate to say it wins the unity voters

The cult war on DU yesterday was no accident because the NeoConMen with Rove at their head are out to disunite democrats by posing as both camps and dissing the candidates.

Because; what true democrat, would be satisfied with just Four or Eight years of Democrat Rule?

That is the reason NeoConMen are Terrified of two little words:

DREAM TICKET

That it will be a Democrat who is next President of the USA there is no doubt but it has become a quick draw competition, to see which one says the magic two words first:

DREAM TICKET

Obama and Clinton Supporters should read Chris Weigant's article in the Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/how-obama-could-wrap-it-u_b_85595.html

That speech can be made by either candidate at any time and by making it they win the Democratic Candidacy.

Because the polarize-able supporters are decided and wedded to their camp. Obama-ite or Clinton-ite. Those will stay with their candidate.

THE contest now is being fought over are the vast majority of unity Democrats. They sway one then they sway the other. What sways them most is punishing those who attack Democrats.

Howard Dean said it only a few days ago he does not want to be at the Democratic convention mediating the candidate. And Voters showed in New Hampshire and Michigan what can happen to a candidate or camp who is not out to unite.

The first Candidate to say they will take Democratic party down the unity road to the DREAM TICKET will win all those voters in the middle.

That is the reason NeoConMen are Terrified of two little words:

DREAM TICKET

Why do the GOP have nightmares about it?

Why is DREAM TICKET the thousand pound guerrilla sitting among all the breakables in the dainty GOP room?

Why do NeoConMen glance at it and then hold their hands up to blinker their eyes, muttering "Can't see it, Can't see it, Can't see it." hopping that will make it go away?

Because as any loyal Democrat can see, it is not just a single candidate or a mere 4 or 8 years of presidency.

It means a raft of candidates for both presidency, congress and senate; and time enough in office that they can bring about true change and the dawn of a New Democratic Age for America.

It means Democrats at their convention with the next two winning candidates already lined up and shouting "16 years, Sixteen Years, SIXTEEN YEARS!"

Because voters throughout the country are now hungry for change.

They are sick of the Republicans damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

If McCain gets the GOP nomination over the Conservative Huckabee it just proves voters want a liberal in charge. McCain just means the Democrats have already won the next election and that voters even former Republicans are hungry for change. Voters hungry for change are not going to go for the half fat liberal McCain.

If you want a liberal in charge your going to VOTE THE FULL CREAM and vote Democrat, Obama or Clinton.

BUT frighten a NeoConMan today with just two simple words.

DREAM TICKET!

Because that would not be just a tactical victory of a four to eight year presidency. That would be the STRATEGIC victory of a Democratic Age.

That is why "Obama-Clinton or a Clinton-Obama ticket." is the Ticket that gives the NeoConMen nightmares.

And the first Candidate to articulate that they will move the Democratic party to the DREAM TICKET will win that candidacy.

No If Buts or Maybes THEY WILL BE the Democrat Candidate and the next US President.

[psychopomp]

49. Yes, indeed

Nobody said this would be easy!

"The people, united, will never be defeated!"

[sendero]

51. Aw, so someone is surprised..

... that HRC would use right-wing noise machine astroturf tactics?

I'm not, I've been paying attention.

[nonconformist]

53. Yet, most of the cult threads here yesterday were started by complaining Obama supporters.

You're fueling the fire, why?

[KittyWampus]

72. So we're just supposed to bend over and take it? Not bloody likely. And a big FUCK YOU

to anyone who thinks we should.

[NashVegas]

55. I Guess the Truth Just Hurts

FYI, not all of your links are from February 7, at least two are from January 7, right after Iowa. You know, when people started keying in, in masses, to how he kept talking about "change" while he attacked Democrats using RW talking points.

[Big Blue Marble]

86. I never said all of them were from yestereday.

And I could have added more but it was four in the morning and I did need to get some sleep.

And you are going to argue that on Feb 7th masses congealed including right here on good old DU.

Sure thing.

[NashVegas]

94. There Was a January 21 News Article Posted February 6

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4445389

Obama basic training
Volunteers told to share personal conversion stories with voters - not policy views.
By John Hill

In a storefront on Q Street in Sacramento, Kim Mack told a crowd that spilled out onto the sidewalk how she came to back Barack Obama. With a son serving in the Iraq war, which she opposed, Mack was looking for a like-minded presidential candidate. She was impressed by the Illinois senator's books. But the clincher came on March 17, when she met the Democratic contender face to face. She describes how he lit up the room with his wide smile, shook her hand and thanked her for volunteering.

"He looked at me, and the look in his eyes was worth 1,000 words," said Mack, now a regional field organizer. Obama hugged her and whispered something in her ear – she was so thrilled she doesn't remember what it was.

Then Mack brought home the point of her story for the crowd of 100 or so eager volunteers, sipping coffee and watching a PowerPoint presentation in the Obama campaign office on a recent Saturday.

"Did that make more impact on you than if I had talked about his health care plan or his stance on the environment?" she asked.

Combine that with the February 6 NY editorial, et viola.

Even if there is someone from a campaign pushing it to reporters, that doesn't make it invalid.

[Big Blue Marble]

101. How does one example make it not valid?

I could have posted more that showed up yesterday, but i wanted to go to bed.

[alcibiades_mystery]

57. It's all a tight package: Style over Substance/Platitudes/Hope and Change/Cult

It is the most outrageous coordinated political rhetoric since the Purple Heart Band-Aid.

I have a new policy. If a Clinton supporter mentions the word cult, I put 'em on ignore. It's despicable and dishonest.

[Binka]

87. I put 38 people on ignore yesterday

38 mother fuckers. It is high time DU cleaned house.

[alcibiades_mystery]

100. Isn't it so much nicer with these people on Ignore?

I never had one person on ignore. Yesterday, with their bullshit, I placed 30 people on ignore, and it's been quite lovely ever since.

[Hekate]

106. I'm getting there, believe me. nt

[K Gardner]

58. You haven't realized this until now.. that all these coordinated attacks come straight from the HRC

TPMs/campaign? Just look at the number of "heavy hitter" Hillary posters who return here just to spread the latest meme and do the attacks.. its no accident. Excellent post and good research !

[kurth]

60. "Look Daddy. You were a Big Man in kenya, but I’m gonna be the biggest Big man of them all!"

There ya go

#5 in
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/greenwald/2374

[NashVegas]

110. That Outside Blog Reader Response Has ABSOLUTELY ZILCH To Do With DU

And I can't begin to imagine what your point is in reposting it here.

[harun]

61. That's discouraging, they get their marching orders and carry them

out I guess.

[ShortnFiery]

62. MSNBC nepotistically highlighted a mindless "Obama hit piece' by David Schuster's WIFE!?!

Get this: Obama was being diss'd by her because he DARE add Louisiana Hot Sauce to his cajun food.

Such mindless - shameless - nepotist BULLSHIT! :nuke:

David Schuster WAS a good "investigative journalist" but CELEBRITY has put the zap on his brain.

Schuster's recent behavior disgusts me and MSNBC should not be giving his wife gigs as lagniappe (what those in New Orleans refer to as "icing") ... that's way low perk of Schuster's new-found celebrity. :thumbsdown:

[waiting for hope]

123. lagniappe - icing? Naw cheri,

Lagniappe means getting a little something for nothing or throwing a bit extra into the mix. As a former resident of New Orleans, I wouldn't use lagniappe to describe Shuster's wife's gigs, that is called cronyism.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagniappe

[H2O Man]

63. Neither an accident

or a coincidence. Rather, part of a coordinated campaign.

[underpants]

66. Thanks for the work--YES it clearly is

They haven't unleashed the racist dogs yet so they (the right) just are using this to chip away

[stillcool]

67. No wonder why she ran out of money...

[Scurrilous]

68. Great post.

:thumbsup:

[Name removed]

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[stillcool]

75. not offended...

I think it's great that time and time again the Clinton campaign is exposed for their gutter style politics.

[IndianaJones]

77. I think its great that you've found a messiah. nt.

[stillcool]

83. Keep it coming...

I'm getting more fond of the derisive, demeaning, insults to ordinary American people, every day. I just love the boomerang effect. It has been proven to work really well.

[Name removed]

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[Clintonista2]

95. LOL!

[dionysus]

78. you guys are making yourselves look really crass and stupid...

[Forkboy]

107. That's because they ARE crass and stupid.

[workinclasszero]

71. Swiftboating Hillary-style /nt

[jonnyblitz]

73. thanks for all those links. I was wanting to compile my obama cult

sources and you did it for me. :hi:

[snooper2]

76. Yep...

The question is if Hillary INC. knows about it or not, probably stops with Penn...

Whisper campaign, a pretty stupid one though. OOOOHHHH NOOOOO, you support Obama your crazy ...


WOOOGY WOOOOGY WOOOO....

[kdpeters]

79. How Rovian.

It's about time we started calling out Clinton herself and stopped giving her the benefit of the doubt regarding "some of her supporters". She needs to take the hit because she's responsible for it. The nastiness is deliberate. This toxic environment is an intentional outcome of the kind of campaign she's chosen to run. "Some of her supporters" -- we know which ones -- are only symptoms. SHE is the problem.

[Big Blue Marble]

104. Now we have to say how Pennian. n/t

[557188]

82. The last one is from JANUARY

This isn't some new recent observation. It's just, finally, starting to gain traction due to how cultish Obama supporters are acting.

[Doctor_J]

84. That's one reason why we have been under fascist conservative rule for 25 years

"Our" people buy into right-wing memes and repeat them.

[blondeatlast]

85. Regardless of whom one supports, we need to think about how easily

this happened and how fast was the reaction and spread.

I've cast my primary vote (reluctantly--I wanted Edwards but was being strategic). Once we have a nominee, the RW will stop at nothing to push back and sadly, people fell hook, line, and sinker for what I--as an undecided, for the most part, saw through like water.

[ZinZen]

88. DKos has an excellent diary

debunking this cult crap.

[Samantha]

89. PLEASE READ THE THREAD I STARTED THIS MORNING

on this very issue. I think this is an important discussion.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4478860#top

Thanks for your consideration.

Sam

[Samantha]

91. I think several of us got the same picture at the same time

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4478860#top

I too think it's orchestrated. And it's very, very ugly with the potential to do a lot of damage.

[aquart]

92. You mean, like the "dynasty" meme?

How does it feel to have it happen to you?

Anyone who does not think the Obama followers behave like cultists is not paying attention.

[Samantha]

102. The Obama supporters ARE NOT acting like cultists

and this is not happening to "me." Your assumptions are in error.

[Ronnie]

96. "a topic of conversion"?

One of the most amazing Freudian slips I've seen in a loooooong time. Or is it a malaprop?

[Cha]

97. Then Fuck the cult accusations...that can

come up on google.

[HeraldSquare212]

98. I agree - and the Reagan and 'present' vote things were the same. nt

[mckeown1128]

99. EVERYONE NEEDS TO KICK AND REC nt

[readmoreoften]

108. Yo paranoic, I've been calling y'all a cult for a few months now.

It's not orchestrated, it's just kinda the way some folks act. And people cheering: "I've caught the fever! I'm on the team! I've seen the light!" well, that's not helping much.

How about after careful consideration I'm giving my vote to candidate X? Political decisions don't require fevers, light displays, or team-think.

[Big Blue Marble]

109. I am not saying that someone thought of it yesterday.

It has been kicking around here for weeks. Yesterday it reach a crescendo here and elsewhere.

Minimize it all you like; that does not change anything. The pattern is clear. Yesterday it went viral.

[Guava Jelly]

112. Karl Rove is alive and well

And many here are eating it up..
Instead of honestly debating they are resorting to echoing RW trash..

[milkyway]

115. Yep, and the Hilbots, in lockstep, fall right in line.

[Laurab]

116. Thanks for this post & your research.

It's really quite interesting. As someone above said "who gains from it"? I think we all know who gains from it. I don't think it's the RW, mostly because the Clinton camp is now desperate. They never expected to be in the position they're in, and they've shown they'll do anything to win. Mark Penn/Karl Rove - they're basically the same, and it's definately the type of thing they do well.

It also seems to me there's been an influx of new posters in just the past day or two, all about the "cult" . It's not a coincidence, I'm sure of it. And some Hillary people think it's funny. If I thought for a minute my candidate was doing something like that, I would most definately re-think my choice. It's just not the kind of person I want running my country - 7 years has been enough.

[Medusa]

119. The other great meme I saw on many different websites yesterday?

"I gave X amount of dollars to Hillary yesterday and I'm giving more today!" And they call obama supporters cult members?

[creeksneakers2]

121. Possible explanation

As predicted, once Obama reached full front runner status the attacks escalated.

I don't see anything cult like from Obama supporters. They just love their candidate. I do believe that most of the hardcore Hillary hatred is a form of mental illness though.

[Levgreee]

122. kick

[BootinUp]

124. Its a vast conspiracy... Muwahahaha.

[Alizaryn]

125. If you can't beat them then CULT them I guess?

[McCamy Taylor]

128. Please read my post 126 above. I think NYT started it. I have no reason to assume

that HRC planned it. However, the NYT endorses HRC (they would, she is from NY). You should watch that paper carefully.

A word of advice. If a corporate media newspaper did start this deliberately, one thing they were probably hoping for was a lot of people claiming to be Obama posters angrily denying that they are members of a cult. Unfortunately, like denials of alcoholism, drug addiction and "when did you stop beating your wife?" when you start talking about things like this, it only makes them think about it more.

One thread in which people make jokes about the issue would probably be helpful for everyone nerves. And then I strongly suggest that people read up on the Jimmy Carter 1976 campaign. He was accused of running for office as "Jesus Christ". But he won. Do not read the smears that are written about his presidency. Read about how he won against the Democratic establishment that thought it was "their turn" that year. He ran a very skillful grassroots campaign and shut out all the Democratic regulars.

[jillan]

129. google it today - there are 12 pages now.

[sfam]

130. Lets see...TONS of sources hit this at the same time, but there is no coordination...

from the Clinton campaign, ey?

Does anyone honestly believe this?

Lets face it - the "Obama is a cult leader" meme is a plant into the MSM. So my question here to those propogating this is do you actually believe this tripe or are you just trying to be good troopers and tote the Clinton team line here?

Stay Classy Clinton Campaign!!

[psychopomp]

132. Thank you for pointing this out!

:kick:

[grantcart]

133. I don't know what kind of cult Obama is running I never get the talking

point memo and have to think for myself to respond.

[McCamy Taylor]

134. The "plan" could just as easily be Karl Rove setting it up to look like HRC slimed Obama, guys.

You notice that there are a lot of new people posting on DU, right? There is a lot more anger, name calling, hostility. This is known as "Divide and Conquer"

Back in 1972, Nixon's chief campaign strategist was Pat Buchanan, the same one you see on MSNBC. While he was never indicted along with the Watergate people, he committed crimes (like lying to Congress about Nixon's dirty campaign tricks). Here is a list of the dirty tricks he came up with the interfere with the 1972 Democratic Primary race to ensure that the eventual nominee would be so weakened and inherit a party so fractured and angry that the nominee would never be able to beat Nixon:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/watergate/stories/buchananmemo.htm

"COVERT OPERATIONS -- We should have as many of these down there as needed to conduct harassment exercises, and embarrassment exercises for the Democrats. They should have no connection at all with the GOP Observation Post, and should be directed out of here, as they have been in the past.

"They should be able to help put demonstrations together, get leaflets out, start rumors, and generally foul up scheduled events -- and add to the considerable confusion and chaos that will inevitably exist."

It continued:

"The preparation of attacks on one Democrat by another -- and 'endorsements' of one Democrat by another, which has to be repudiated, are examples of what can be done. Nothing should be done here, incidentally, which can seriously backfire and anything done should be cleared by the highest campaign authority. The Secret Service, it should be noted, will be all over Miami; and any activity will have to take into consideration their capabilities.

Karl Rove was a Republican in 1972. He worked with these people. He has studied these tactics. He knows how to plant a rumor about one Democrat and make it look like it came from another Democrat.

Note the "bad endorsement" dirty trick. This has already been used against Obama. The minister who was a friend of Bush who endorsed Obama---and then revealed the next day that he is anti-gay--he knew that the anti-gay revelation would embarrass Obama.

While HRC could initiate attacks, the risk to her is high, because she is already being accused of being a Bitch by most of the corporate media. When the NYTs writes an article like this, every one says "Oh, that nasty Hillary, she put them up to it."

You have to at least consider the possibility that someone who wants to weaken both Democrats--Obama by calling him a cult leader and Hillary by calling her a bitch---called in a favor at the NYT. That someone would be a Republican.

He or she would have people posting here and on the other liberal blogs, starting flames wars right and left, because a divided Democratic Party is a conquered Democratic Party.

How can you tell? If you are not getting any solid facts or at least rational arguments, if all you are reading is pure opinion fueled with a lot of righteous anger and that anger is telling you to hate a fellow Democrat----and especially if it is telling you to sit out the general if your candidate is not the nominee---be a little bit suspicious.

[desertflamingo]

135. NOT a hillary supporter...

HOWEVER... i don't need anyone on the internet or the news or anyone else really to tell me how and what to feel. my "radar" has been on overdrive since i began paying attention to bo. call it cult radar or bullshit meter - whatever - it goes crazy when it comes to bo and his followers. i had the same feelings about werner erhard and his followers during the "est" days of the late seventies/early eighties, as well as during the infancy of the "born again" movement in the seventies. oy.

i don't like it. it feels creepy to me. so, as much as i hate to label you folks conspiracy nuts about the alleged cult flurry coming "from above," it's difficult not to label you as such. knowing the bullshit m$m, i don't doubt that they haven't picked up on it from the blogs trying to stir a story, (do you think they don't read the blogs?) but the fact is, a lot of people feel that way about bo. i personally cannot and will not support him. i don't believe in him and at this stage in my life, i'm not about to blindly follow someone because a bunch of strangers and old guard blowhards (i won't name names, but one of the names rhymes with ed) endorse him. what i do object to is the idea or the insistence that i'm not allowed to feel or believe that there is a cult-like aspect to the bo candidacy.

look, if you walk like a cultist, talk like a cultist, ACT like a cultist and hang out with same, um... i'm going to draw my own conclusions, thank you. and if you're really really REALLY secure in your convictions, you shouldn't give a rat's patoot what i or anyone else thinks. seems to me that bo followers are thin-skinned with a gigantic chip on their collective shoulders. it's too bad.

boy do i miss john edwards. <heavy sigh>

[progressive_realist]

136. It's pretty obvious someone has been issuing talking points

I'm not ready to blame the Clinton campaign yet, but the way in which so many anti-Obama posters all hit the same meme one day and then go after another meme the next is fairly solid evidence of centralized planning, IMHO. This "cult" thing is the most blatant, but not the first example.

It certainly has turned GD:P toxic. If I liked Rovian tactics, I'd be a Republican.

[psychopomp]

137. kick

:kick: