Very well, so Obama sweeps virtually everything else, is dragged out onto the tiles...

[bridgit]

cold, hard & unyielding by no-less than: McCain The War Monger, with every other angle on both experience *and* contention well in hand. The republican party coalesces around their candidate however flawed (flawed candidates to not phase republicans in the least yet they still win they still have power in spite of any Dem gains of late). Starting up with their ever present mantra and the chanting of, "WAR! FEAR! WAR! FEAR! WAR! FEAR! CUT TAXES!! WAR! FEAR!" ad nauseum...dragging around Obama by the tailored lapels of his suit for week after week.

What say you? Will he endure? Obama's latest words have seemed a bit tired, flat; and the travail is not yet begun. Will he survive the onslaught of a negative republican war & press machine that will undeniably seek to unravel the very thread of the lapels they WILL BE DRAGGING HIM around by?

This will/they (republicans) will not go down so easily that is a given fucking believe it!! Does Obama have 'the stuff' beyond the "hope" that everyone yearns for like water from the midst of a mirage?

Will he endure the negativity that is to surely follow? Negativity being that which sups upon "hope" till hope is all gone. Will "hope" be enough? Or are roads built ultimately by nuts & bolts?

Whether this whether that the day approaches!! It is not just: Godzillary or Odometer...it is time to start figuring this shit out in earnest. We can see the fires of the enemy encampment from here. And, regardless, they are still formidable.

[sandnsea]

1. He's survived the negative Clinton 9/11 & press machine

And all the labels they've thrown at him. $118 million dollars, all the major women's groups, and the very very popular former President.

I think he can handle John McLame.

[rodeodance]

2. Ha Ha--First he has to handle Hillary before he gets a chance at McCain. Don't

count your chikies yet.

[sunonmars]

3. Hillary hasnt thrown anything because she cant in the primary

you wait if its him in the GE, he won't know what hit him.

[Big Blue Marble]

4. John McLame.

That does describe him to a tee.

[bridgit]

7. hahahahaha, riiiight, and they thought bush was stuu-pit too and look what the fuck happened

the world is now destroyed :crazy:

[Big Blue Marble]

15. Believe me I am not minimizing John McCain.

I think he will be a formidable candidate. That is why I do not want Hillary to be our candidate.

He would draw independents just as Bush did. She could very easily lose. And bomb, bomb Iran John

would then become the 44th President of these United States.

[bridgit]

21. agreed, i'm not minimizing any of this stuff...

not in a country where too many vote with their gut :(

[bridgit]

5. No he hasn't, and even the 'specter' of it is *nothing* compared to what he is to experience...

He's fresh & new...Oprah says so

[sandnsea]

6. Hillary plays to "beat their brains out"

I don't think she's pulling any punches. If they had anything on him, it would have been dumped by now.

[bridgit]

10. there's no telling what 'they' do or do not have on him...maybe all they need is for Obama...

is to just stand there...Obama doesn't even know what is to follow for that matter :shrug: but it will be ugly and that is my impression having seen what republicans are capable of

[sandnsea]

12. If the Clintons had it, they'd play it

If they'd had something in Chicago, they'd have played it. There's nothing to play. And Obama doesn't just stand there, he's brought the $118 million dollar Clinton Machine to a screeching halt. Do you have any idea of the impossibility of what he's done??? And you think he can't beat a broken Republican Party that doesn't like John McCain??

[bridgit]

17. My God!! What the hell is with DUer's!?! They think it is all about The Clinton's'!!!!

The Big Bad Clinton's My God!! Shit, Fuck!! Run for your lives!!! There is a twisted republican world out there and they are coming not just for your lunch but for whatever entitlements you think you have coming, and not just those but for the rest that your loved ones may have coming :eyes:

[sandnsea]

22. If the Clintons can beat the Republicans

and Obama can beat the Clintons, then Obama stands just as good a chance at beating the Republicans as anybody else.

I'd say a better chance because I'm not blind to the list of NEW sleaze balls that are associated with them and I believe there is evidence of affairs as well. So to post these stupid attacks about what Obama can handle is hilarious when you guys just have on blinders as big as the Bushbot blinders.

[shaniqua6392]

8. He has not felt all that the Clinton's could throw at him.

I think they only poked at him a few times so far and have held back on him for the most part. I think it is naive to think they have thrown everything at him. They just tested the waters with a few comments here and there and people threw the race card into the game. I am certain there would be more to come.

[sandnsea]

13. Right. They wasted $118 million dollars

to come out at in a draw. Sure. You betcha. They threw everything they could at him and the only thing that saved her was her emotional moment.

[shaniqua6392]

24. Their spending has been equal over 2007.

So he also wasted about the same amount of money to come out in a draw. I am just saying I don't think they have thrown too much at each other in this primary. We shall see what the next few months brings. Try not to be so defensive. I am just trying to give my opinion. I don't care which of them comes out on top. I like them both. I actually wish one of them would pull forward significantly enough to stop the equal division that exists right now. It is not good for the Democratic Party, and that is all I give a crap about. United we stand and divided we fall. I want to be more united soon.

[sandnsea]

26. Nobody is on an equal footing with the Clintons

They hoped they would have their tens of millions of dollars and steam roll right over the opposition. That was their plan. That might be okay with you, but maybe you just don't know their full history. One Democrat is just not the same as the next.

Long Long List of Clinton Sleezy Donors

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4473288

All they have is Rezko and they sure played that, lame as it is. Hillary is lucky Obama hasn't chosen to use this list against her. She sure would have used it against him if it would have saved her tens of millions of dollars.

[Demeter]

20. But Hillary's Machine Is Obvious and Creaky

You can hear it coming a mile away.

The GOP is more like a psychosis than anything else.

[sandnsea]

23. I think he will just take it on, straight up

He's already laying the ground work. We have to accept homosexuals and get over our homophobia. We have to stop using immigrants as scapegoats. We have to put aside our difference on abortion and work on the areas we agree on in order to improve young people's lives. I think he says things in such a straight up and no-nonsense way, that more people just accept his premise, eventually. And the silly stuff, he manages to turn into truly funny jokes. If he's laughing it off, it makes it easier for everybody else to laugh it off and not internalize the humiliation. I think he's got so many approaches to all of this that he isn't going to have a lot of problems at all.

[cali]

9. you're basing your prediction on a flawed assumption.

Every indicator points to Obama beating the tar out of JMac, and most indicators point to Hillary winning over him as well. There is NO guarantee this year that the repuke party will turn out. In primaries to date, voters in dem primaries have outnumbered those in repuke primaries by a stunning 73%. Did you get that? 73%. This isn't 2004. Rudy's fear, fear, fear message fell on deaf ears. Barring a "terror" attack, McCain will reap little from that approach.

Obama hasn't been done in by the Clinton machine, and he's already punched hard at McCain. McCain is a truly lousy candidate with major flaws that will be magnified in comparison to either of out candidates.

And Obama has a teflon quality to him that will serve him well. I disagree that anyone is going to be dragging him anywhere by his lapels. You seem to be engaging in wishful thinking, trying to argue obliquely for Hillary as stronger against McCain. There are no signs that's true. Yes, she can win against him, but Obama is a much better candidate against McCain- as we can clearly see.

[bridgit]

14. It's not about "the Clinton machine" and people here just can't get pasted that...

including yourself, cali. But it is time to get the hell past it, and pronto. It is about The Republican Machine that is to follow. Too much here is, "Hay you fucker!! He's spun gold!!" "No he isn't you trollop!!" "Yeah well you're now on ignore fuck-wad!!"...perfect!! Play into the hands of usurpers if you think you must, however...

Nobody is made of teflon, not even John Gotti; who gave the concept a very good run for it's money...and now even he is gone. Certainly not Barack Obama. Unless you're prepared to entertain that 'fairy tale' concept of B. Clinton's. Cause I know that even I leave a skid-mark or two here & there...we'll see soon enough as to whether Barack is able to walk on water as well

[cali]

16. Unable to deal with real data, it appears

Of course, I never claimed that Obama could walk on water. And I actually used reason and facts in my post. You? All emotion, no logic whatsoever. Really, it's impossible to talk with people like you who operate completely on emotion and partisanship and can't see the political realities or can't be bothered to educate themselves.

[bridgit]

18. Disagreed...

Vote your conscience

[griffi94]

11. he can probly hold up

when he'll get nailed is after he wins in nov.
soon enough he'll have to actually take a stand on some things and not just repeat hope and change.
he'll have to compromise with members of congress....many of whom are repubs and conservative southern democrats
he won't be able to deliver the great progressive dream any more than pelosi and reid are...
then the disenchanted obama supporters will turn on him and demand impeachment....and all the new comers to politics that
became interested because of obama will drift back to being politically comatose.
obam will imo be the next president, and he'll probly do a fairly good job...but he's not going to be all in all
that some of his more enthusiastic supporters expect. imo his idealistic supporters will be left disenchanted much like
the idealistic supporters that turned on the clintons.

[bridgit]

19. for the benefit of us all i hope so

[Dude_CalmDown]

25. Doesn't Obama match up better nationally against McCain?

I know I saw that the other day somewhere - probably Olberman.

[bowens43]

27. He's certainly an infinately better choice then Hillary

for exactly the the things you point out. Hillary is damaged goods, well beyond repair. The republicans have been gathering dirt on her for decades. A Hillary candidacy is a republican wet dream, that's why the right wingers have been tirelessly pushing her as inevitable for the last few years. It's classic rope a dope and far too many democrats are getting taken while rove and his ilk sit back snickering.