Clinton Supporters: This is something Hillary doesn't want you to see.

[Meldread]

EDITED: Removed the pictures. I couldn't stand to look at them anymore. FYI the government is trying to censor them. Just thought I'd let you know. You can read about that in the link below.

Orginal Post: That is the result of her political cowardice. The blood of those people - and many more - is just as much on her hands as George W. Bush's. Take a good, long, hard look - that is what you support. http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html">Here are more if you have the courage to look.

EDITED:
This was posted for one simple reason:

There are Hillary supporters on this forum who are defending her vote on the Iraq War Resolution. Anyone who defends the Iraq War needs to be reminded of what the Iraq War is - what has happened - what has been lost - and the suffering that goes on. You will not see this on TV, but this is the reality. I know it is hard to look at, but this is the reality in Iraq. That is the reality that is faced. People want to ignore it, and bury their heads in the sand, but that will not change the consequences.

[xultar]

1. I've alerted on your post. I just wanted you to know.

[Meldread]

6. And...?

There are people here who need to be reminded of the facts of the Iraq War. They sit at their computers, with no prospective at all and defend the undependable. She voted for it. She lacked the political courage to take a stand against something that everyone knew was wrong. She won't admit it was a mistake. She doesn't even have the political courage to admit it was wrong, and there are people here on this forum right now defending her vote. They say it doesn't matter. Well, I just proved them wrong. If they cannot handle that - well that is just too bad. The truth if painful.

[xultar]

8. Your candidate voted to continue funding those types of acts. He's just as much to blame.

[Windy]

21. If it wasn't for the funding for our troops, you would see more flag draped coffins!

Bush has shown that he would veto any bill for funding that was attached to time tables. The president AND CONGRESS sent our men and women to war without what they needed to keep them safe.
I have no problem with voting to fund the war. The key is to get a president in the whitehouse that will turn things around, will not veto funding when associated with time tables and
WILL NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE IN JUDGMENT AGAIN to prevent future unnecessary wars.
That candidate is NOT Hillary Clinton and the best evidence supportive of that fact is her own voting record showing her complicity in getting us into a war. Her motives in voting for the resolution were not made to keep us safe. Her vote was to try and ensure that she and her husband would regain the whitehouse.

That is reprehensible!

[xultar]

32. You must be kidding. The progressive line is defund the war and bring the troops home.

[Windy]

37. We want timetables. Most senators will not vote to cut funding if bush will veto

Bush doesn't give a damn about the military. He would leave them stranded with nothing to make a political point.

[IndieLeft]

98. NO, the Progressive line was to NOT START THE DAMN WAR!

[IndieLeft]

97. If Clinton wouldn't have supported the war, he may not have to.

And besides, you know as well as I do that Bush would have just left those troops over there if the dems defunded the war.

[gaiilonfong]

14. You Clintonistas are HORRENDOUS

you don't want your Druidess to be exposed as the hawk warmonger she is so you want to squelch free speech to prop up your priestess who is a disgusting warmonger as bad as the ReTHUGS.

[global1]

62. Yeah - Even Though She's A Hawk Warmonger Only To Show That She Can ....

be strong like all the other Hawk Warmongers = and play on their playing field - so she can use it to become president. Then she tries hide behind * and have it both ways. Mitt's wrong with that?

[LostinVA]

79. "Druidess?"

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

[Windy]

10. Why would you alert this? Actions have consequences. Her IWR vote was purely political!

she voted the way she did because she didn't want to look "weak" to her opponents because she knew she would be running for president. She has YET to say that it was a mistake!!

She then again voted for Kyl/Lieberman for political purposes.

While you may not like what you see, it is a direct testiment to her lack of judgment and the FACT that her ambition trumped what was right for humanity!!

This is THE issue of this election for the democrats when weighing the differences between the canddiates. The reality of Iraq which was a direct result of her vote on IWR and the votes of others IS relevant.

Many of her colleagues voted against the IWR.... for political reasons, she voted for it! She still doesn't believe that she made the wrong decision. the photographs are graphic evidence of the FACT that her politically calculated vote was wrong!!!

Turn your anger to Clinton. She has been alerted!

[xultar]

24. It isn't just Clinton. Obama voted to fund the war. So his name should be mentioned also.

[Windy]

40. apparently you missed my previous post regarding the funding. n/t

[Hutzpa]

83. Your argument is so lame

I just don't get why folks are wasting their time responding to your post.

Look, voting to fund the IWR and voting for the IWR are two different thing,

one, is allowing Bush to wage atrocities on people that has nothing to do with

terrorist, two, is money to fund the troops. Simple!

[Meldread]

41. Exactly - I posted these so people will KNOW AND REMEMBER.

There are to many people, especially here on these forums, who want to bury their heads in the sand. They are so disconnected from the pain, the suffering, and the evil she has supported. It is not about being ideologically pure. It is not an attack on Hillary. It is PROVING to people - graphically - that this is the RESULT of her actions. They had consequences. She has two excuses for her vote:

1. She was either too stupid to realize what was going on, and Bush bamboozled her into supporting the IWR. I do not believe her. Hillary is anything but stupid.

2. She was too cowardly to do the right thing, and decided to make a calculated political move.

In either case, this is the result. She refuses to apologize, but it is her supporters that are DEFENDING her IWR vote who need to be reminded. THAT - what they can see with their own eyes - THAT is what they are defending. It is harder to defend something once you've seen it.

[polpilot]

80. ALERT: Hillary is Pro-War, Hillary is anti-U.S. worker (Nafta) ALERT!!

[IndieLeft]

96. You know... You're not supposed to TELL the person you are alerting the mods.

You can get booted for that too.

[rox63]

2. Geez, put a "Graphic" warning on posts like this n/t

[Meldread]

16. Just did.

Steam is coming out of my ears right now after something I just read on here.

[durrrty libby]

43. How swell of you to exploit human suffering for a disingenuous

political point. Shameful and disgusting

People like you need to be flushed

[Hutzpa]

84. No, people like YOU needs to get FLUSHED n/t

[durrrty libby]

93. Not an original thought in your empty parrot shell

[MethuenProgressive]

3. alerted

[Perky]

58. Thanks MP

[Crooked Moon]

4. horrible images.

could it not be argued that mr. obama's hands are stained as well from pressing the 'yes' button for continued funding of the war?

[xultar]

5. I forgot. Obama did vote to fund for the continuance of these images, they are as much is as hers.

[terrya]

7. I've alerted also.

This is disgusting. Shame on you.

I fucking hate this place, sometimes. Because of this kind of bullshit.

[Hutzpa]

85. You surprise me sometimes Terrya n/t

[gaiilonfong]

9. While these are terrible pics

All these warmongers and HAWKS in the Democratic party should see them to remind them the horrendous damage this illegal war is doing.

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[xultar]

17. Ahhh dare I say you are not a Clinton supporter. What you said was racist. I'm alerting on you too.

[jonnywishbone97]

25. edited

because we have some chickenhearts on this board

[gaiilonfong]

38. funny how when the DLC Clintonistas are called out

they resort to racist wingnut rhetoric. Just like their Druidess Hillary.

[Name removed]

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[Hutzpa]

87. WTF is Oscama? n/t

[William769]

67. Funny when liars are called out they run for the hills.

[Bluebear]

12. Talk about cheap.

[terrya]

The not so subtle implication is:

that Hillary supporters, by supporting her, somehow have blood on our hands for this war.

I find that extremely offensive.

[gaiilonfong]

61. WHY don't you demand she apologize for her WAR vote

answer that

[William769]

74. We demand you you give us the truth about who you really are and you don't.

Answer that.

[MadHound]

69. Gee, terrya, I remember back in '03 and '04 those of us who opposed the war

Vowed to hold those who voted for the IWR responsible for their actions when election time came around. Well, election time has come around, but apparently those vows about accountability have gone out the window because she's "your girl". I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

[Hutzpa]

88. EXACTOMONDO!! Yes, I remember that too, vividly n/t

[DUyellow]

13. Lets Alert!!!!!!! i can't take look at these pictures becuase Hillary voted

for it.

[xultar]

19. Nope let's take a look because Obama also funded it. TRUTH runs both ways.

[DUyellow]

27. when did i say it was okay? i said the this is what the war has produced.

[Windy]

42. Keep spouting your nonsense. As evidenced by the election thus far, people arent buying it. n/t

[Dogmudgeon]

18. How about YOUR political cowardice?

What did YOU do to stop it?

Fully half of the people screaming about the Iraq war didn't even vote in 2000 ... or 2004. And that's discounting the people who were too young.

How about supporting relief agencies? Or has all your money gone to Barack "Never Had To Get My Hands Dirty" Obama?

All these people mean to you is that you have something to bash your opponent's head in with. It's cheap political drama with other peoples' blood, and a political scapegoat to get you off the hook.

--p!

[DUyellow]

20. so are you saying that the war did not produce these images?

[Dogmudgeon]

26. No, I'm saying that you are a hypocrite

And St. Barack voted to continue the war. Several times.

--p!

[DUyellow]

30. when did i say it was okay? i said the this is what the war has produced.

[Dogmudgeon]

44. Yeah, right.

If you had read what I wrote, you would have had no confusion.

The anti-IWR ranters are hypocrites, period. It is long past time to call them on this.

My apologies if I misunderstood you, but what you posted is usually sarcastic rhetoric.

--p!

[Hutzpa]

90. Wait, is it stupidity or blind ignorance

Barack voted to fund the TROOPS, not the IWR, get it!

[xultar]

28. Obama voted to fund that very war. He's as much to blame.

[DUyellow]

33. when did i say it was okay? i said the this is what the war has produced.

[Tarc]

22. Funny how Team Obama is now adapting the tactics of the anti-abortionists

Things are getting pretty desperate when you have to emulate Operation Rescue to make a point.

[Perky]

57. This idiot is not pat of Team Obama.....Several os us have alerted

[THUNDER HANDS]

23. I'm against using images like this against a candidate

it's not cool. And quite disrespectful to the victims of war to use their images against someone who's biggest crime is either political cowardice or piss-poor judgment.

Attacks in this manner should be reserved for Bush and his minions, since they're the one's who plotted, planned and created the war.

I'd ask you to remove them.

[Windy]

31. she is just as complicent as Bush. Sorry if the truth offends you. n/t

[xultar]

35. Did Obama vote to fund the war or not?

[Windy]

48. He and many others including your candidate voted to fund the troops. They are in harms way.

the mistake was going in in the first place. And what makes it worse for clinton is that she voted the way she did because of her own ambition! Kerry and Edwards did too... at least they had the good sense to admit that it was a mistake!

[Windy]

51. If you want another president who will send our troops to die for ambition, vote accordingly

Its a free country...

I and many others will make a different choice.

[Name removed]

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[Perky]

63. Windy...let's chill on this one.

The OP was repilsive. Lots of Obama supporters may hold CLINTON RESPONSIBLE FOR HER PART IN THE WAR BUT TRYING TO DEFEND THIS OP is just not worth it.

[Meldread]

52. It wasn't an attack on Hillary.

It was to remind her supporters, who are defending her IWR vote what they are supporting. They do not get, and refuse to get, the fact that what they are supporting - is what they now see.

Yes, they are ugly pictures. They are bad pictures. It is hard to look at the pictures. I didn't like having to post the pictures - I don't like looking at them, either. However, that is the reality. Some people here on these forums need a reality check. Reality just so happens to be an ugly, nasty thing.

[gaiilonfong]

Meldread I applaud you

for pointing out the horrendous aspects of war. Don't pay attention to the DLC Clintonistas. They blindly follow her and refuse to DEMAND her to say her vote was wrong.

[THUNDER HANDS]

68. I'm an Obama supporter

and I don't think any Hillary supporters need to be reminded of what happens in a war. When I was in NYC in 2003 I marched with a lot of people, many of whom no doubt supported Kerry then and support Hillary now.

I just think it's in poor taste to post the photographs. We know what a war does and nobody on this board would have voted for the war or started it. But we can't control the way our elected officials vote all the time.

[Jamastiene]

56. Thank you. eom

[cali]

29. cheap, ugly and stupid

saying that Clinton is as guilty as bush regarding the tragedy and travesty of Iraq, is just repulsive. Yes, she bares some reponsibility, but not even a hundredth of what bush is responsible for.

[Eurobabe]

34. this is pretty sick

why are you doing this?

[DUyellow]

39. why is anybody defending this war?

[gaiilonfong]

45. Because the DLC Clintonistas are defending the ClintonS

that is why they are disgusting

[Dogmudgeon]

49. Because we disagree with you.

THAT'S why you're disgusted?

That's a dictator's line.

--p!

[William769]

71. And the liars are defending Obama.

[Eurobabe]

46. no one IS defending it

what I am getting bothered about is people blaming this on one of our candidates over the OTHER one. The OP should be BLAMING fucking BUSH!!

[gaiilonfong]

50. Blame Bush AND those that voted for the war

Like Hillary
who will run to the right IF she gets the nom.

[Perky]

53. Obama supporter here.... Offendeed and alerting. Very poor taste. Grow Up

[Bluebear]

55. Good for you, Perkster.

This kind of cheap stunt NOBODY needs.

[terrya]

64. Thank you

[calico1]

54. And you honestly believe that

inflammatory posts like this are going to make Hillary Clinton supporters change their minds and want to vote for Obama? Do you really? Because speaking for myself it is making me angrier and more determined to support her, and much less likely (almost 100% at this point) to NOT vote for Obama should he end up being the nominee.

I am just waiting to see some Obama supporter claim that GWB is a victim of Hillary Clinton and that he never wanted to go to war and only did so because she pushed him to do so.
Though maybe someone has already claimed that. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

[gaiilonfong]

60. WoW you are so thoughtfull

that you would wanna vote MORE for Billary because she voted for the war and will probably bomb Iran to prove how strong she is
PATHETIC

[calico1]

65. Yeah, that's the ticket!

I am supporting her because she LOVES the war and she loves torturing little children. You got me!

:sarcasm:

[shayes51]

59. Your Super Man picture shows

that you really don't care about those first images.

[hlthe2b]

66. This is beyond the pale.... Damn you for turning DU into Freeperville

Skinner needs to step in and draw a line on some of this crap. Enough is enough.

[xultar]

70. Fuck this. DU will never get another dime from me.

[Jamastiene]

72. It has gotten to the point that FR might be a little

saner in comparison. :puke:

[Cameron27]

81. I've been thinking about putting my feelings

into action during the next donation drive too. This crap is beyond skinner's, "politics is not for the faint of heart."

[Bluebear]

92. Me too.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

73. disgusting and beyond the pale.....shame on the OP!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

75. Who Do You Think Will Be Swifter, Stronger And More Mentally Ready To Ward Off The Attack Machine?

To me, it's not about the war or any other policy. Who will win, will be who is best prepared mentally, tactically and willfully to defend against and counter attack in response to the RW attack machine. I think Obama may hold his own to some degree, but at some point may find himself flustered and vulnerable. I think Hillary is absolutely stronger than he is in that arena, and will skillfully not only deflect the attacks, but also turn them against her opponent in such a way to give her strategical advantage. I'm convinced this trait as it relates to the GE is the one most vital trait our candidate needs to have, and I think Hillary absolutely wins out in that category.

Do you think Obama would be better than her in that regard? Or do you think that trait isn't really as important as I'm making it? I'm curious your as to your opinion on that.



borrowed

[UALRBSofL]

76. Jeez, what is this post, it's sickening

This is down right repulsive. I hope no kids see's this. Has anyone alerted to have it removed? What kind of person would post this.

[stillcool]

78. I think that Obama..

has been dealing with the "Attack Machine" his entire life. Just look at some of the posts here and think about what he has had to deal with to get where he is today.

[boricua79]

77. my girlfriend LOVES Superman. If she sees that photo, she's voting Obama!

[Tom Rinaldo]

82. When you hold Bush accountable for Iraq first

followed by ALL of the Democrats who voted for the IWR as leverage to get UN inspectors into Iraq to find out once and for all what was going on there (not as a direct endorsement of an unjustified invasion), followed by ALL of the members of Congress who approve funding to continue military operations inside Iraq (and that includes both of our remaining candidates)...

THEN you can preach to me about the horrors of that war.

[Hutzpa]

86. K&R

Why not, too much hate for posting truth/reality.

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[bigtree]

89. you are a sick person to exploit those images for your petty political purposes

take a look at yourself

[guruoo]

91. Hypocracy at it's sickest

[ElsewheresDaughter]

94. you do Obama proud?! Why doesn't Skinner or the mods stop this repugnant stuff?

[NMMNG]

95. You're good a cheap shots

But the reality is that while Obama claims he didn't vote for the IWR it's because he wasn't in the Senate at the time so he couldn't. And he's even stated that he didn't know or not whether he would have voted for it, before proclaiming that he wouldn't have done so. Nonetheless all of the statements in the world that he wouldn't have voted for it don't mean jack shit because he wasn't there to do it. He's voted for every funding bill since then so his claim that he wouldn't have voted for the IWR ring very hollow.

I don't approve of the IWR or Hillary's vote on it. But this bizarre idea that some are trying to promote that Hillary Clinton is solely responsible for the Iraq war is beyond reproach. There were 77 people who voted Yea on the IWR so singling out Clinton is bullshit.





BTW, shall I post pics of all the fucking dead GLBT people that are a result of the "Ex-Gay" programs your candidate helps prop up?

[ProgressIn2008]

99. Yes. The Iraq war is being exploited for political purposes

Hardly surprising.... but it's Obama's big talking point, even though he wasn't even in the Senate at the time. He's using the conflict politically, for his own career ambitions. (Which, again, is hardly unusual for a politician.)

If supporting someone who voted for the IWR means supporting carnage, shouldn't he denounce John Kerry immediately? Why is Kerry stumping for him, with blood on his hands?

And no, this is not a defense of Clinton's IWR vote. I was deeply opposed to it. But the hand-wringing is just disingenuous, at best. Grisly and calculating, at worst.

Ultimately, the pictures of the mutilated dead are being used to score points in a primary. Is that really what inspires these people?

[NMMNG]

100. Of course it is

Obama is making a big deal of how he "didn't vote for the IWR". Funny how he fails to mention that it's because he wasn't in the Senate at the time. He just hopes most people will fail to notice that little fact (as well as his many votes to fund it once he was in the Senate).

And as I said, I don't support Clinton's IWR vote, but this audacious claim that some seem to be perpetrating that she's solely responsible for the war is preposterous. The entire Bush Admin and 76 other people had a part in it.


Ultimately, the pictures of the mutilated dead are being used to score points in a primary. Is that really what inspires these people?

I'm beyond wondering what "inspires" them. It scares me too much.