IMO, Obama in the GE would be the McGovern of '08, he may pick up 1 or 2

[CK_John]

more states but that is about all.

[thesubstanceofdreams]

1. IMO this is the most clueless post of the day

and that is saying something.

[yardwork]

18. LOL! Welcome to DU! How's the weather in Argentina today?

[geek tragedy]

26. Very possibly. I can't judge, since most of the Hillswarm

are on my ignore list.

[Renew Deal]

2. 1 or 2 more states wins the election

:shrug:

[CK_John]

3. I think only 1 or 2 states. n/t

[Renew Deal]

4. Then you're delusional.

[CK_John]

7. Name one state he will carry besides his 2 home states. n/t

[Renew Deal]

9. New York

And are you saying Obama will win Kansas? :crazy:

[CK_John]

22. He would never carry NY. Outside of NYC he has no support. n/t

[yardwork]

31. I'm going to stop responding to this thread because it's absurd.

[Unsane]

34. You actually believe this?

90% of the people who voted for Hillary in the NY primary will vote Obama in November. Just because he lost to Hillary in places outside NYC doesn't mean he'd also lose to McCain. Your logic is faulty. The same rationale applies to CA.

[Renew Deal]

43. Obama lost Brooklyn 50-48 (5000 votes)

He won Tompkins which is out of NYC 52-46

He lost Dutchess which is out of the city 51-46
Orange 56-40
Putnam 56-41
Ulster 50-47
Westchester 52-45

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#NY

So you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Thrill]

54. You're a moron

[dionysus]

67. ok, thats it...

you're a fucking idiot...

[yardwork]

14. California. And that's just one.

[CK_John]

24. He will never carry Ca. n/t

[yardwork]

30. McCain will never carry California.

[cali]

36. He will carry all the blue states

and he has a good shot at NM, Iowa, VA and MO. Try actually thinking.

[Auntie Bush]

50. Hillary will carry all the blue states too! Unless Obama supporters

refuse to vote for her. Then we can watch McCain tear down the safty net
and appoint 2-3 more SCJ's. If so...we as a country are really screwed!

I'm glad to see you sometimes post some good/fair/intelligent OP's. :hi:

[cali]

56. Of course she will. It's ridiculous to assert that either

will lose blue states. Democrats are incredibly enthused by both these candidates. Obama supporters in the real world, who are dems, will support her, but it is unlikely that indies and disaffected repugs will follow suit. And just so you know, there are as many DU Hillary supporters who say they won't support Obama as the other way around.

I don't see how either Obama or Clinton can lose against McCain, but I do think we'd see a much bigger win with Obama.

[Mass]

52. Massachusetts, Rhodes Island, Maine, New York, ... Just to start by the obvious.

[cosmik debris]

5. HRC is the HHH of 2008

She is on the wrong side of the current war and only the right wing of the party support her.

[yardwork]

11. That's wrong too. This is nothing - nothing! - like 1968.

[cosmik debris]

20. The similarities are obvious

You have to close your eyes to avoid seeing them.

[yardwork]

28. Riots, assassinations, U.S. cities burning... I don't see it.

[cosmik debris]

33. Here ya go, I spell it out again.

She is on the wrong side of the current war and only the right wing of the party support her.

[OmahaBlueDog]

49. Iraq is unpopular, but it's not Vietnam

I'll agree that Obama is getting a big push because of her vote on the war, but if Hillary gets nominated, I don't see a Gene McCarthy coming in to siphon off votes from the left, and I think most aren't stupid enough to make the mistake of voting for Nader, again.

Also, in '68, remember that the conservative, Tricky Dick, was the one with the "secret plan for ending the war." That's not the case with McCain.

[cosmik debris]

59. The RFK/McCarthy wing of the party sat out that election

When HHH got the nomination, we decided to let him win or lose on his own.

The progressive/populist/anti-war branch of the party will not contribute or volunteer to support HRC. We may vote for her out of frustration, but it is up to the right wing of the party to do it without our help. She cannot unite the party any more than HHH could.

[OmahaBlueDog]

64. "We may vote for her out of frustration"

That's the difference. The progressive wing will hold their noses, but they will vote for Hillary if their choice is John "I will keep us in Iraq for the next 100 years" McCain.

FWIW, the evangelical wing of the Republican party, which serves the analogous function of doing the "foot soldiering" will not be likely to show up to do much more than vote, either.

[cosmik debris]

66. I don't speak for the entire progressive wing

But I don't know anyone who will vote for HRC. And I sure as hell won't send money. She is the most divisive leader that the party has had since HHH.

[rodeodance]

70. did you learn anything from this ealier sitting out of elections?--just curious.

[cosmik debris]

74. We learned to keep our powder dry

And wait for the next election. We learned not to beat our heads against brick walls. We learned that the Chicago police are a formidable force.

[rodeodance]

77. ah, i only know of it from history books and reading. But, more specifically,

my comment was directed at sitting out of elections.

For me, it just gives to the opponents (the repugs in this this case)

[cosmik debris]

78. If you are destined to lose, there is little point in fighting.

And it is not at all likely that we will fight for someone who opposes our values as much as HRC does.

I would turn the question around: Did the Democratic right wing learn anything from that election?

I would also suggest that the lesson they should have learned is that they cannot win by alienating half of the party as HHH/HRC has done.

[THUNDER HANDS]

60. really?

I don't think she's as muscular.

[JVS]

65. Yup.

[cali]

6. god, but stupidity is annoying.

You ejaculate a one line opinion with no evidence whatsoever- ignoring the significant amount of data that contradicts your "opinion" and you expect anyone but committed and ultra partisan Clintonites to buy into it?

[TexasObserver]

8. I needed a good laugh today. Thanks.

No. Not a chance. They are not comparable in any regard, and I was a McGovern delegate.

[yardwork]

13. No kidding! What do you think of my post below?

I was just a kid in 1972. Please post more.

[CK_John]

19. I voted for him too. But I don't see much difference in the public from then and today. n/t

[yardwork]

23. You don't see the difference in people's response to Obama vs. McGovern?

My mom - who is in her mid-70s - is supporting Obama. She says he reminds her of JFK. Believe me, she never said that about McGovern.

[TexasObserver]

27. JFK is the appropriate comparison.

There's nothing remotely similar between McGovern and Obama. No comparison. McGovern was much closer to Kerry, without all that charisma.

JFK is the guy you're looking for, not McGovern.

[yardwork]

35. That's what my mom says. And her friends agree.

I support Hillary, but I acknowledge that Obama has enormous support among quite a range of demographics. My mother's generation couldn't have imagined a time when an African American was a serious candidate for president. They're thrilled to support Obama. They like his speeches. They like his calm elegance.

Meanwhile, Obama's got the young people turned on like nothing I remember. People say it was like this in the 1960s for RFK and JFK. I know that no Democratic candidate has amped up the youth like this in recent years.

[yardwork]

10. No. Obama has way way way more charisma thaqn McGovern.

I was there. I remember how defeated the Democrats felt in 1972. Then McGovern's running mate had to drop out because he (gasp) had been treated for depression (!!!) and Shriver was pushed in at the last minute and nobody really thought that McGovern had a chance...it was a very discouraged and discouraging time.

Even though Nixon was hated he was running for a second term and presidents running for a second term always have some advantage (look at chimpy).

This is a totally different situation. This is more like Kennedy/Nixon in 1960. More like it, but not the same either.

[CK_John]

57. Unless Hillary or Obama dropout, the math is against both candidates without SD. So

I think the convertions are similar and there was no healing process after the convention. To me it looks like a repeat of 72.

[onehandle]

12. Puh! Hillary and Obama would both clean McThug's clock. nt

[onenote]

15. so, why should we regard your opinion on this as any more valid than that of the average uninformed

person?

Got anything to back up your assertion?
You want to share who the vp nominees are?
You want to share how mccain captures California and NY if he picks a Huckabee-type or how he does well in more conservative areas if he doesn't pick fundie type?
You want to share where McCain gets his money, cause the conservatives are not going to be spending it on him like they've spent in the past.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, and you're entitled to share it. Its just that I see no reason to treat it any differently than scribbling on a bathroom wall.

[CK_John]

37. I don't believe McCain will be their nominee. I think Obama will be forced to

accept Bloomberg as VP to have a chance or face an 3rd party fight with him and the GOP VP will be Lynne Cheney.

[yardwork]

38. ....

[onenote]

40. Please expand on how McCain ends up not getting the nomination

You appear to have a future as a writer of political fiction. I'll give you that.

[yardwork]

42. I want to hear more about Lynne Cheney as VP.

[CK_John]

51. Do you think Cheney is going to leave his bunker easily. n/t

[CK_John]

44. They are not going to bet the ranch on him, they will bring in someone like J Roberts at their

convention. His temper, health, and age will cause McCain to drop his bid.

[onenote]

53. and who shot JR?

Great stuff.
Here's another one you might want to work into your novel:

Clinton and Obama arrive at the convention virtually deadlocked. At the eleventh hour, Al Gore arrives and he and Obama work out a deal where Al agrees to be Obama's running mate -- even though being vp is a been there, done that proposition -- in return for a promise that Al will be able to use his platform as VP to push for global warming legislation. Al's appearance electrifies the convention as he announces that he has decided to put personal ambitions aside and, for the good of the nation and for history, be part of the election of the nation's first African American president. Obama and Al sweep to the nomination and then score a huge victory over McCain/Huckabee.

Then, in a sudden and unexpected turn of events, at his inauguration, Obama is felled by a mysterious illness and Al ascends to the presidency... only to have his ascension clouded by accusations that somehow he was responsible for poisoning Obama.

Hey if we're making up political fantasy, why can't I get into the act.

[Divernan]

46. Your VP predictions made me roar with laughter

Whooo!

[rockymountaindem]

55. Are you tripping?

That all makes as much sense as voting for LaRouche.

[IronLionZion]

68. This is the greatest post in the history of DU!

I'll pray for you! O8)

[speedoo]

16. This is indeed a clueless post.

Your analogy is idiotic.

[CK_John]

61. Bookmark it, and we'll see how it plays out. n/t

[speedoo]

63. Idiotic posts are not worthy of bookmarks.

And don't tell me what to do, if you can't provide some logic for your dumb assertion.

[Lerkfish]

17. Well, I am a pink centaur today!

I am, DAMMIT! Prove me wrong, go ahead!

[Barack_America]

21. Have any facts to back up that opinion?

If not, what did you base this opinion on?

[CK_John]

39. No, No more than any other here posting an option. n/t

[Renew Deal]

45. Well, you're finally right

[liberal N proud]

25. My daddy would kick your mamma's _______

And then we will see my momma will kick your daddy's _______

Maybe if we discussed the issues and where the candid tate stood on those issue we would get further.
I have not decided who to support without Edwards and all this so and so will kick the other so and so's ass isn't helping.

Just wasting band width and pissing each other off. We all are going to have to come together to kick the other sides so and so SOB.

[Pirate Smile]

29. Do you ever get the feeling like you are just missing something big that other people get?

You should because you are.

[CK_John]

47. No, I have seen it before. McGovern won the nomination at 3 in the morning

after a very bitter convention fight(just like this one will be) and carried only 1 state.

[damonm]

32. If ignorance is bliss,

This individual is just abou the happiest person on Earth...:eyes:

[Alexander]

41. .

[MadBadger]

48. Well he's up 18 points in WA right now.

But yes, this post is absurd.

[gaspee]

58. RI

I'm not ab Obama supporter, but I know he'd pick up my state. We're 80/20 Dem vs Rep.

No dem will lose RI, I'm pretty confident about that. Our state congress has 113 senators and reps and of that 113, only 17 are R's.

RI has had the lowest Bush approval rating in the country going on 4 or 5 years now.

I can confidently state that a Dem is going to win my state. With our whole 4, count 'em, 4 electoral votes!

[OmahaBlueDog]

62. Different situations

Obama: Young, energetic, anti-war, optimistic, big-city liberal: draws favorable JFK comparisons. Running for an open White House
McGovern: Middle aged (at that time), anti-war, great WWII record, but didn't make a big deal about it, small town liberal, hard to draw a good comparison (mabe Truman, kinda sorta)

1972: Popular incumbent President running for reelection, unpopular war, unpopular draft, tremendous social upheaval, good economy
2008: Open White House with unpopular incumbent, unpopular war, no draft (but unpopular retention practices), minor social upheaval, unstable economy

If Obama runs, my guess is he wins: MD, DC, DE, PA, NY, NJ, CT, RI, MA, CA, OR, WA, HI, IL, WI, MN, VT, IA
my guess is he has a good shot in: MO, MI, NH, ME, CO, NM, NV
my guess is that he has a punchers chance in: FL, VA, OH, IN, AR
I see the Rebublicans winning: WV, NC, SC, GA, AL, MS, LA (because so many NOLA voters are still displaced), TN, KY, TX, OK, NE, KS, SD, ND, MT, WY, ID,AZ, UT, AK

It will be another squeaker.

[IronLionZion]

69. You can post anything on the Internet, anything about anyone or anything anywhere

Ultimate freedom. You post, we decide.

[AtomicKitten]

71. that's some pretzel rationalization

[COFoothills]

72. I'll have what he's drinking!

[tammywammy]

73. Wow, you've managed to put up one of the stupidest threads I've ever seen

[itsrobert]

75. You're a dumbASS

n/t

[JimGinPA]

I Agree...

This is a stupid thread.

[last_texas_dem]

76. Can you offer something besides your opinion to back up this claim?

I mean, I could just state something ridiculous like "Obama in the GE would be like the Reagan of '84, except he would go him two better and carry Minnesota and DC, sweeping the country" and it would be as well-supported of a claim as your OP.

[yardwork]

79. It wouldn't be as entertaining.

This is the funniest thread I've read in ages.