Super Delegates will decide the nominee - The Math

[GoldieAZ49]

I just did the math

H has 832 delegates
O has 821 delegates

H has 50.05% of votes cast so far

There are a total (w/o MI & FL) of 3427 delegates
1663 have been voted (see above)

1764 are left

keeping the same percentage, since this race is so close, almost 50/50 (tho H will be stronger in some areas and O in others)

There is NO WAY either candidate will get the 2025 needed

So far there are 213 super delegates pledged to H and 119 to O Keep in mind these are SOFT pledges and can change sides anytime up to the convention vote
There are 493 super delegates that have not pledged either way

These numbers were taken from the 2008 Dem Convention Watch

They are not obligated to vote as their precinct or state voted, they can make their decision based on anything they decide upon, collectively or individually.

[griffi94]

1. sweet

i'm hoping for a back room deal....preferably shady....i'm sure i won't be disappointed.

[GoldieAZ49]

2. I am sure you won't!!!!

They are talking about it on the news, offering cabinet positions to super delegates, the bribes, and that the Clintons are very experienced in these dealing (no kidding!!!)

We have come a long way for this to be discussed openly on the news.

No wonder so many just tune out on politics.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

3. Michigan's Superdelegates should stripped out.

Supers like Granholm, Cherry, Stabenow, Dingell, All of em, Conyers also.
Seat our regular delegates, just pull the supers(some of whom, got us into this mess in the first place)

[Franks Wild Years]

4. They must follow the elected delegates.

They will, without a shadow of the doubt, go where the pledged delegates go.

To do anything but would hand the Republicans perhaps the ultimate gift in the election - "He/She wasn't even elected by the party's own voters!". In fact, if 'Super' Delegates went against those pledged, anyone with the slightest care for democracy would have to hope and pray that the Republicans won the election. Those who simply lust after power, of course, wouldn't mind.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

6. The supers that got us into this mess, have allready endorsed.

Guess who?
http://www.demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

I say yank them All out of their chairs.

[GoldieAZ49]

10. no they won't and are not obligated to

one of the super delegates has already said he is voting for Clinton regardless of how PA votes.

The back room deals will sway the super delegates. One of the dem talking on tv yesterday said the Clintons are very good at wheeling and dealing and will offer cabinet positions for influential votes.

While they can change, they probably won't, Clintons have 2 to 1 the super delegates Obama has.

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

Voters need to let the party, and their elected leaders that they demand votes in accordance to how their precinct or state voted.

Also some super delegates are DNC workers, not elected at all.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

5. So after the gazillions spent,

we could have just thrown the SuperD's into a big room with a couple boxes of cigars and got the whole thing done on the cheap?

Great.

[Pathwalker]

7. Question: If you remove the # of Michigan and Florida

delegates AND Super Delegates (because this mess is their fault) from the total number of delegates, why couldn't you use the majority of the lower total to determine who gets the nomination? I don't know WHO would get it, but it makes more sense to me than demanding a do-over in Michigan and Florida.

[GoldieAZ49]

11. the super delegates from MI and FA have been stripped of their voting rights also

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

[Pathwalker]

12. Thank you for your reply. I am happy to hear that.

[ozone_man]

8. MSNBC has Obama at 861 and Clinton at 855

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22811059/

Pledged delegates of course.

MI and FL get 0 delegates as their's have already been allocated to the other states. We picked up one of those in tiny VT going from 22 to 23 delegates this year.

My take is that the super delegates will closely follow the pledged delegates as they won't want to go against the people's will at the convention.

[Pathwalker]

9. Kicking for an answer to my question.

:kick:

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

13. kick.

[joshcryer]

14. Yes, and they will be fair, and pick the candidate with the most pledged delegates.

So the fuck what?

[GoldieAZ49]

15. No, they can vote anyway they want

and one PA SD has said he will vote for Hillary regardless of how PA votes

Howard Dean is talking about deal making between the candidates

Dem talking heads are talking about the 'back room deals' for votes

I think it is BS, the Clintons have been dealing with and campaigning for the SD for years, giving them an advantage