IT'S MY PARTY AND I'LL CRY IF I WANT TO

[HopeforChange]

In the Michigan Primary Hillary Is the only one who got Votes.

Obama and Edwards did not put their names from the Ballot in line with party rules.
Hillary somehow had her name on the ballot and did not get it taken off.
So of the three the only candidate the voters could vote for was Hillary.

So the only candidate who got votes was Hillary.

The people in that State were not allowed to have a say on the other candidates.

I predict Hillary will Cry Cry Cry to get her way after all her MOTTO for this party is

"IT'S MY PARTY AND I'LL CRY IF I WANT TO"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsYJyVEUaC4

[MonkeyFunk]

1. That's simply untrue

The candidates did NOT agree to remove their names, nor was it part of the pledge they made.

But don't let the facts get in the way of making shit up.

[Dogmudgeon]

2. The "Distract the Media from Pimpgate" email was received, I see

--p!

[HopeforChange]

17. Okay I did some research. I heard the former on the news.

It seems that Obama and Edwards did not put their names on in line with party rules.

I think maybe Hillary did not get her's taken off the ballot. In any event she doesn't get these votes.

They should split the delagates for Michigan.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/09/voters_face_confusion_in_michi.html

[MonkeyFunk]

20. Wrong again

all of them had their names on the ballot. Some of them CHOSE to remove their names, not because of any party rule, but as a way to suck up to the voters of Iowa and New Hampshire. There was never any agreement or requirement that they do so.

[Saturday]

3. Looks like it's YOU that's crying. n/t

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

4. Lying doesn't help matters any

"All the candidates agreed to remove their names from the Ballots"


A lie.

[cali]

8. However, as I recall the exact wording was that

they all agreed not to paricipate. Leaving your name on the ballot could reasonably be construed as participation.

[HughMoran]

11. "participate" in this context is not clear

Please do the research and some back with more specifics so we can have a real discussion.

[cali]

13. Nope. I just don't care that much.

I don't have any strong objection to her having left her name on the ballot. And I'm fine with however Howard Dean works things out. It's unlikely in any event that MI could put her over the top.

[HughMoran]

18. He will not let her get the delegates

If anything, they may revote or caucus as has been suggested. Florida, I'm not so sure about - but it seems unlikely that an uncontested state will be allowed to put one or the other over the top.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

14. Depends on ones' idea of 'reasonable'

The name-removal followed the realization that Clinton was going to win the beauty contest easily. Effect doesn't prove cause, but it's suggestive.

These candidates are going to do what benefits them electorally... if Obama had been up 30% in Michigan polling I doubt Clinton would have remained on the ballot, or that he would have been off it.

Most importantly, though, is that the point of rules is so that people can run right up against the rules. It's like corporate regulation. Corporations have an obligation to their shareholders to run right up to the edge of the law, and the law has an obligation to the citizens to draw the line in the right place.

No campaign should be expected to, or even applauded for, failing to take full advantage of the rules in place, whatever those rules are.

If it's a problem, then we need different rules.

[pampango]

15. I had forgotten about the "not participating" part of the agreement, but

I have heard that was part of it. Does anyone know where to find the text of the actual agreement?

[MonkeyFunk]

16. Then why didn't anybody take their names off the Florida ballot?

The only candidates who violated the pledge were Kucinich, by campaigning in Michigan, and arguably Obama, who ran commercials in Florida.


You're losing what little bit of credibility you had left.

[pampango]

19. I heard that they all tried to get their names taken off the Florida ballot, but the deadline

had already passed there.

[cali]

21. You can't take your name off the ballot in Florida

without dropping out of the race completely.

"Can a presidential candidate remove their name from the ballot in Florida?

Florida Democratic Party Chairwoman Thurman, Senator Geller and Representative Gelber submitted to Florida’s Secretary of State the names of our Party’s presidential candidates for placement on the January 29, 2008 Democratic Presidential Preference Primary ballot. State law allows candidates who wish to withdraw from the Florida primary to do so by filing an affidavit stating that he or she is not a candidate for President of the United States of America. In other words: to get off the ballot in Florida, a candidate has to swear that he or she isn’t running for President."

Educate yourself before you pontificate about credibility. Now you know why they couldn't take their names off the ballot in FL/

[MonkeyFunk]

22. Your credibility

was lost awhile ago. You at least pretended to be fair and above-board, but now you're resorting to the same slime and innuendo that so many others here do.

Clinton broke no pledge or agreement in MI. Only Kucinich did.

[cali]

23. oh stop with the endless bullshit

I don't believe Clinton broke any agreement. I didn't say she did and I don't slime Clinton. Day in and day out I defend her here, and I'll continue to do condemn bullshit attacks against her.

[MonkeyFunk]

24. and yesterday

you "pretended" to be concerned about what the Clintons are hiding in their tax returns, even though you KNEW she said she'll release them if she's the nominee.

Then you lied and said it was customary for candidates to release their tax returns, when that's just not true. It's customary for NOMINEES to release their returns.

You've gotten as bad as everybody else here.

[cali]

26. you've lost it. You can no longer tell the difference between

a legitimate issue and bullshit sliming. I didn't pretend to be anything. I don't like that they won't release their tax return. I don't like that they won't release their library donor list. I don't like that they operate with a long standing secrecy that encompasses many things.

You haven't any special psychic powers, cupcake, so your claim that you know what I'm really thinking, is just silly. You're being petulant and whiny. Suck it up.

[MonkeyFunk]

27. And it's been explained to you

that she WILL release her tax return if she's the nominee. That's the standard way it's done. John Kerry released HIS returns only after he secured the nomination.

And you also know that the library donor list is confidential. Non-profits aren't - and shouldn't be - obligated to release their donor lists. When you donate to a charity, it's nobody else's business. But you know that, and keep kicking that little smear around.

You're dishonest and disingenuous, in addition to being utterly obnoxious.

[cali]

28. Excuses excuses.

Secrecy is part and parcel of how the Clintons operate. They damn well should release that library donor list. Other presidents have done so.

As for obnoxious, you certainly fit the bill. Plain out ugly in fact. I suggest you put down the bottle.

Oh, and welcome to my ignore list, pookie.

[MonkeyFunk]

29. Sorry

just more lies and smears from you.

I'm proud to be ignored by the likes of you.

[durrrty libby]

5. Must be fun being an idiot. You do it so well

[jkshaw]

6. Sigh

[rinsd]

7. Is is lies or just stupidity?

"All the candidates agreed to remove their names from the Ballots."

No they did not.

"Edwards and Obama did just that."

Yes following Biden & Richardson;s leads.

"Hillary did not."

Neither did Dodd, 1st signer of the 4 states pledge, nor Gravel. Kucinich attempted to remove his name but messed up the paperwork.

"So the only candidate was Hillary."

There were 4 Democrats on the ballot.

"The Democratic votes went to her."

I think she got around 60% with 40% voting uncommitted in a campaign undertaken by Obama surrogates.

"The people in that State were not allowed to have a say on the other candidates."

And whose fault is that? The Iowa ass kissing Democrats who removed their name from the ballot.

[HughMoran]

9. I guess lying out loud isn't an issue during campaign season

:P

[Bluebear]

10. And whose little sock puppet are YOU?

[HughMoran]

12. You have to wonder

...about these "slogan" people.

[yardwork]

25. Since you typed in ALL CAPS it must be true.

Welcome to DU.