Obamania is called a "cult" because there's nothing extraordinary about politician Barack Obama

[Proud2BAmurkin]

except his speaking skill.

His record isn't inspiring. It's duplicitous, dishonest, and cowardly. ("Pushed the wrong button" and "present". "I promise I will not fund this war if elected" but funded it)

His hands aren't clean. House was financed two years ago by a slumlord under fed investigation who had buildings in Obama's district where people froze to death when the heat was turned off for five weeks in the winter.

His personality is most like Lord Pissypants the Decider than like any other modern politician's

Obama isn't destined for "greatness" because there's nothing in his record, resume, or personal profile that is "great." Not a war hero. Not a civil rights hero. Nothing.

That's why people are calling the following a cult. It's organized around a politician who is only proven on one thing: reading mish mash platitude filled speeches well.

Hes' not even a good communicator outside of pre-written speeches.

Cult followings are about the neediness and desperation of the followers that makes them vulnerable to snake oil salesmen, not the "greatness" of the salesman.

[LSparkle]

1. That's really harsh ... just because he INSPIRES people

which is something a politician can't necessarily learn ... Sour grapes from those who don't get the "vision thing."

[Proud2BAmurkin]

2. They are inspired because they are needy for inspiration

not because Obama is a "different" kind of politician

[awaysidetraveler]

104. Obama will pull us out of Iraq in 2009. That's what I need in a politician.

HRC will withdraw troop levels and leave bases in Iraq.
That's a recipe for disaster.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4482617&mesg_id=4482617

[Deep13]

8. "Inspires?" This is a republic.

We don't need inspiration from a civil servant.

[niceypoo]

95. Obama reads a stump speech written by slick professional speech writers

Thats why I don't look to professional politicians for 'inspiration'

[Blue-Jay]

3. Pussy-wigs are extraordinary!

merkin

[polichick]

4. Keep it comin'...

I love to laugh ~ it's healthy and fun!

:rofl:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

5. What makes Obama different. I'm all ears serious

[KAZ]

24. Ears? That's not the body part I'm picturing.

Take it easy. Just a joke. (But what was I referring to when I said joke? Hmm)

[rateyes]

109. I see you're at it again,

crotchwig.

[LSparkle]

31. He sees that the system as it is is broken and needs to change

He wants to change the discourse in Washington back to more like it was in the '70s, when Dems and Repugs could debate issues without getting into the dirt with one another. And because he hasn't been in D.C. forever and hasn't accumulated grudges against a bunch of people, he isn't going to come in with a personal agenda of getting back at people who've wronged him, unlike W (who wanted to get back for his Poppy's loss to Bill) and, I'm afraid, Hillary (who'll want to avenge what was done to her and Bill in the '90s). He's a smart man who knows he doesn't know everything and will gather intelligent people around him -- even some who may DISAGREE with him. And, yes, he knows the value of oratory in inspiring (oh, that NASTY WORD) the American people. Our best leaders have been able to motivate us to collective action with their calls to service and Obama is a compelling speaker who I think could do that again.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

33. He's been part of the broken system and every politician says "it's broken and needs to change"

[LSparkle]

46. Not for as long as HRC has been part of that broken system

Has he ever hosted a fundraising dinner and provided big business with access to members of Congress? He's a neophyte at this game; she's a pro ...

[Proud2BAmurkin]

58. He had his house financed two years ago by a slumlord under fed investigation

[LSparkle]

61. Been there, heard that ... debunked

[Sapphocrat]

51. "He wants to change the discourse in Washington back to more like it was in the '70s"?

That contradicts what he said about the "excesses of the 60s." And, given his admiration of Reagan, it sounds more like he wants to change the discourse back to where it was in the 1980s.

And, for the record, somebody without any proven history in D.C. is not what we need right now -- we need someone who's fought back the VRWC, repeatedly, and is still here not only to tell the tale, but to leap right back into this fight-to-the-death.

And we need a president who can hit the ground running -- not one who'll be learning on the job.

[theHandpuppet]

77. Agreed. Hell, I don't even LIKE Hillary Clinton

But this is not American Idol and I'm not voting for a rock star. With the freaking mess Bush has made of this country what we need is someone who knows this system inside out, can twist arms when need be, has the clout and background to command immediate respect around the world, and has the experience and smarts to get the job done. I'm looking for someone qualified to be the CHIEF EXECUTIVE of this country. For that I don't need fancy rhetoric or feel-good hugs and it's why with the remaining choices I feel Hillary Clinton is the best choice for me and for this country.

Obama's heart may be in the right place but I can tell you the sharks will eat him alive should he be elected. He'll be in so far over his head it will be ridiculous. And an ineffective leader, no matter how likable, well-spoken or well-intentioned, is not what we need right now.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

91. I didn't like her a year ago, think she's ok now, think she is the only competent candidate

in the race

[awaysidetraveler]

103. He'll pull America out of Iraq in 2009; HRC will withdraw troops and leave bases until 2013.

That's all the difference I need.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4482617&mesg_id=4482617

[Deep13]

6. I wish I could disagree, but I can't.

The president is the highest ranking civil servant and nothing more. S/he deserves exactly as much awe and devotion as a drug store manager or a school principal. I find it disturbing that people are so willing to project their hopes, dreams and national identity onto a fellow primate. The POTUS is not our Dad, not our pope and not our king. All of this reverence should be directed toward the principles of freedom and not at fellow humans.

In the meantime, we should believe less and see more before we decide on who will be our store manager.

[Quixote1818]

7. His website gives just as much detail as Clinton's and he has held his own in the debates

Are you suggesting people like the following are stupid enough to get caught up in a cult?

* Oprah Winfrey, television host, actress
* Edward Kennedy, Massachusetts senator
* Caroline Kennedy, daughter of John F. Kennedy
* Deval Patrick, governor of Massachusetts
* Federico Peña, Secretary of Energy under Bill Clinton
* Theodore Sorensen, advisor to John F. Kennedy
* Kathleen Turner, actress
* Gary Hirshberg, CEO of Stonyfield Farm Yogurt
* Bill Bradley, former senator from New Jersey, and player for the New York Knicks
* John Kerry four-term junior senator from Massachusetts
* Janet Napolitano, Governor of Arizona
* Newspaper Las Vegas Review-Journal
* Patrick Leahy, Senator from Vermont, chairman of the Judiciary Committee
* Toni Morrison, author
* Robert DeNiro, actor
* Maria Shriver, wife of California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
* George Clooney, actor

[Deep13]

12. Are you saying they have some superhuman power to avoid it?

Your argument is a logical fallacy called the fallacy of authority. Just because well respected people accept something does not make it true.

[Quixote1818]

39. If Albert Einstein had said one of his peers was correct in his calculations

that would give him more respect. The OP seems to be suggesting all Obama supporters are brainwashed simpletons. To ignore that many brilliant people have endorsed Obama and brushing it off, is simply you seeing things the way you want to see them, but they do hurt his argument.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

53. I don't think they're "brainwashed simpletons" but I do think this

most of them got on board when Obama was a blank slate. They stayed on board even when Obama's ordinary politician reality was eventually known because they were invested in one way or another, it's what people do.

Most would be off the bandwagon if they knew in the beginning what they know now and they would opt for experience over a typical politician who talks well.

They do it on the Clinton side too but we didn't start out supporting our candidate on the "idea" of something.

[Quixote1818]

68. I think most DUers were Edwards supporters who switched to Obama

after Edwards dropped out. I am not nuts about Obama I just think he has a lot of good qualities and a better ability to take the country forward than Hillary. I also worry that Hillary will keep the country divided. Not by anything she will do but because Republicans just hate the Clinton's. We might end up losing the congress in two years with another Clinton in charge. They hate them!

Keep in mind, many of us could make a lot of similar arguments about Hillary supporters but that would show a lack of respect. It's childish.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

70. Do you remember when the Republicans started "hating" the Clintons and why?

They started hating the Clintons when they were elected in 1992. The reason they hated them is that they were Democrats who got elected in 1992.

They hate Democrats for existing.

The specific issues they used against the Clintons to bring in the 94 Republican congress were gays in the military and health care reform and tax increases for the wealthiest.

They will hate any Democrat who tries to pass a Democratic agenda.

[Quixote1818]

72. The hate went to another level after Bill lied about sex. While I think it was stupid

that Republicans made such a big deal about that, the Clinton's will always have that over them. Had he not messed around Gore probably would have been president.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

74. Not really. The same 20% hated him more than ever but couldn't get him removed

because the rest of the country was behind him.

Gore won in 2000. He would have won more votes if the MSM had not trashed him for being a liar and a "sissy"

[Quixote1818]

99. Clearly Gore would have walked into office had Bill not had that scandal

thats just common sense.

[Deep13]

87. Calculations are not opinions. nt

[cali]

40. true enough but are you actually prepared to argue that

Patrick Leahy is simply brainwashed?

[Quixote1818]

43. Thanks for making my point better than I did. nt

[Deep13]

86. No, but I disagree with his decision.

Brainwashing is a specific form of torture and mind-control. Somehow I doubt any Senator has either done it or been on the receiving end of it.

[jackson_dem]

101. He voted for the Patriot Act, No Child, China trade normalization, and the 2001 bankruptcy bill

So according to Obamites he is a DINO. Why does his opinion matter all of a sudden?

[rug]

13. Well, Maria married Arnold.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

16. I'll go down the list

* Oprah Winfrey, television host, actress

The fact of Obama being the first real black contender and Clinton being the first real female contender is inspiring of itself but says nothing about either candidate

* Edward Kennedy, Massachusetts senator

Grudge over JFK comments reported in the news


* Caroline Kennedy, daughter of John F. Kennedy

Said her "kids were inspired" so she was inspired. huh?

* Kathleen Turner, actress

?

* Gary Hirshberg, CEO of Stonyfield Farm Yogurt

Maybe he's pro-yogurt

* Bill Bradley, former senator from New Jersey, and player for the New York Knicks

Bradley accused Gore of being a racist

* John Kerry four-term junior senator from Massachusetts

Political motives more than likely. Don't trust politicians.

* Newspaper Las Vegas Review-Journal

Most paper editors are elitists who like to be entertained and aren't hurting for money

* Patrick Leahy, Senator from Vermont, chairman of the Judiciary Committee

I'll give him that one but never trust a politician.

* Toni Morrison, author

See Oprah

* Robert DeNiro, actor

I'll raise you one Jack Nicholson but why does it matter they're actors

* Maria Shriver, wife of California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger

Said her kids told her they like Obama.

* George Clooney, actor

actor

[Quixote1818]

26. Sean Hannity, is that you? nt

[dionysus]

94. that's a lot of words to say nothing....

[alteredstate]

9. Strong words from a Murkin.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1005121205598

[Mojambo]

10. You'd be more successful if you advocated for your candidate rather than tearing down the opponent.

Because where I'm sitting she doesn't appear much better.

If you want to help Senator Clinton you need to sell her to people like me, because trashing Obama doesn't necessarily make her look more attractive as a candidate.

You're not making much ground with this, you know that.

[Deep13]

Not much to tear down.

Besides, few around here seem to give a shit about HC's credentials.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

17. I do both. I support my candidate for her strengths and oppose Obama for his weaknesses

[Auntie Bush]

80. Look who's talking!

Pot meets kettle!

I guess you haven't seen the hate filled comments that the Obamites have been saying about Hillary. Pretty hard to miss if you have been around
here very often. It was disgusting and hard to believe they were fellow democrats. I say "was"... although some still continue...because it isn't as offensive as it used to be a couple months ago when they were determined to to tear Hillary down with zesto.

[Mojambo]

98. I've offered much the same advice to Obama supporters who go negative so often.

If both sides would put half the effort into putting their candidate in a positive light as they do sliming their opponent we'd be in much better shape.

I'm neither pot nor kettle. I'm just a fed up little spoon ready to dive off the stovetop.

[Auntie Bush]

100. As long as you post the same thing about Obama ...I definitely agree with you.

But it sounded like you were just talking to Hillary supporters.
I'm a knife ready to make chopped liver.

[bigwillq]

11. This is the type of bullshit threads

that need to stop on DU. You are free to disagree with a candidate, and even not like him/her, but there is no need for this filth.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

21. Asking why Obama would inspire anyone is "filth"?

[bigwillq]

27. Based on the context of this post

Yes, this thread is filth.


"Obama isn't destined for "greatness" because there's nothing in his record, resume, or personal profile that is "great." Not a war hero. Not a civil rights hero. Nothing."


How the hell do you know he won't be judged as great? You don't.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

32. Point is there is nothing to suggest he would.

[cbayer]

29. I agree & think those that recommend these posts need to be prominently identified.

[rodeodance]

41. lets Brand them on their Foreheads!

[Josiah1982]

75. you prolly think waterboarding is fine i bet.

[cbayer]

82. You don't really think that i equate torture with people having to take responsibility

for promoting this kind of post, do you?

[rodeodance]

42. yeah yeah

[Auntie Bush]

56. You have a very poor memory if you don't remember the filth aimed at Hillary until

the Obama people realized they were creating more Clinton supporters that adding Obama supporters. Then they called the dogs off and they've been much better ever since.

[bigwillq]

62. I am sick of the bullshit on both sides.

And I don't have a short memory. My response was to this OP, and only to this OP, on this matter.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. No.

Obama's popularity is being called a "cult" because a few people are jealous and want to undermine it, so they spread a "cult" meme, which a bunch of people start spreading, because they're unable to think for themselves. Which is very ironic, when you consider it.

[ProSense]

15. How Obama defied Reid and got real ethics reform passed (and Hillary didn't)

How Obama defied Reid and got real ethics reform passed

[Proud2BAmurkin]

18. Is that where you can accept free gifts if you're standing up?

[ProSense]

19. No, it's the one Obama wrote and Hillary voted on! n/t

[rodeodance]

47. REAL reform

[Zodiak]

20. He's not DLC

That is enough for me....told them to piss off.

That is how he is different.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

22. That doesn't really mean anything. He would be if it benefitted him

[ProSense]

25. Is that why Hillary is among their leadership, pandering:

From left to right: Harold Ford, Jr. is chairman of the DLC. U.S. Sen. Tom Carper is vice chair of the DLC; U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is chair of the DLC's American Dream Initiative; Al From is founder and CEO of the DLC. (Not pictured: Bruce Reed is DLC president; Pennsylvania State Representative Jennifer Mann is chair of the DLC's State Legislative Advisory Board (SLAB); Columbus (OH) Mayor Michael Coleman is chair of the DLC's Local Elected Officials Network(LEON).)

link

[Proud2BAmurkin]

28. Good luck finding successful politicians who don't pander

[ProSense]

35. Obama is not DLC! n/t

[Proud2BAmurkin]

38. Meaningless. He might as well be

[ProSense]

52. Bus he isn't. Hillary is. n/t

[rodeodance]

59. COME TO OBAMA-HE WILL ENLIGHTEN YOU

[ProSense]

66. I know, cult blah blah. It's Hillary's only argument because

7.3 million votes for Obama

7.3 million votes for Hillary

[rodeodance]

79. no help for you.

[Zodiak]

84. It would have...in the short-term

But he chose a different route...now he is not beholden to them and their anti-progressive agenda. Hence, Obama will actually bring liberals to the table to duke it out with Republicans. The DLC would bring their own corporate stooges to the table, invite the Republicans, close the doors, screw the American people, and call that "bipartisan".

Obama is not part of a campaign to oust Dean as chair of the DNC and get rid of the 50 state strategy, his allies are not signatories of the PNAC document.

I would say that not being DLC has a lot of meaning.

[Thrill]

23. Actually its pathetic that Hillary's supporters have to result to such lows

Much like their desperate candidate begging for debates and tricking supporters into donating

[mtnsnake]

113. Aren't you the same divisive poster who got so many threads locked for pitting "youth" vs "boomers"?

How many more tricks do you people have up your sleeve to divide this place?

You are no one to call anybody else on this forum pathetic. Piss off

[Cant trust em]

30. There's nothing extraordinary about Clinton either

everything you said could be said about her too, except she doesn't have the amazing speaking skill.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

36. I agree, Clinton doesn't inspire anything except trust that the job will get done right

[Cant trust em]

45. I don't trust her to do anything right

We're in a war that she voted for. I cannot and never will get over that. Barack Obama may or may not have voted no. But we KNOW FOR A FACT that she voted yes. When I needed her to be strong and stop the biggest foreign policy disaster of our generation she caved to the republicans. I'll take the unknown of Barack Obama over the known screw-up from Clinton anyday.

I am knowingly separating this from funding the war afterwards. It is a separate issue and needs to be treated accordingly.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

55. what about the fact that Obama campaigned on equating war funding with war support and then

once elected voted for the funding he promised not to?

[Cant trust em]

85. There's one line from 2003

where he talks about voting no on the original 87 billion supplemental. He was opposed to that because of the 20bil in no-bid contracts to Halliburton.

I can't help notice though that you changed the subject away from explaining her IWR vote. I would love for someone to do this better than she can do herself. It's the one thing about her candidacy that I can't get behind. It will always bother me. Sorry to have sounded so snarky, but I would love for someone to convince me that this was the right choice. I want someone to convince me. It will be much easier for me to vote for her in the fall if Obama doesn't win the nomination.

[cali]

57. um, merkymuck, she doesn't inspire trust in millions and millions

of people. In fact she inspires just the opposite You are proecting muckhead.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

60. Every vote she has is about inspiring trust that the job will be done right

and it's based on the Clinton track record.

[MadHound]

34. So what do you call a group of supporters who try to rationalize the actions of a warhawk?

Who try to deny that her yes vote on the IWR enabled an illegal, immoral war, that her ongoing funding support keeps that war machine going, and who further rattles the saber with her signing of Kyle/Lieberman.

Oh, by the by, are you still not going to vote for Obama if he gets the nomination?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

37. Obama didn't vote against K/L and Clinton isn't a hawk that woudl have gone into Iraq

[MadHound]

48. Yes, but Hillary did sign Kyle/Lieberman, she did enable Bush with her IWR vote

And she has continued to support that illegal, immoral war by continuing to fund it. In addition, she can't promise to have all the combat troops out of Iraq by the end of her first term. Quite the contrary, she has stated that she will keep troops there to guard US bases, train Iraqi soldiers, and go out on combat missions against "terrorists". Sounds like a bloody handed warmonger to me.

And again I ask, are you still not going to vote for Obama if he is the nominee?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

63. Obama didn't vote for or against it because he didn't want to be on record depending on the winds

[MadHound]

64. Yet Hillary did vote for all those things, which certainly makes her a bloody handed warmonger

But hey, will you vote for Obama in the fall if he gets the nod, or will you pout at home like you threatened to the other day?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

65. Obama defined war funding as war support then once elected voted for funding

what say you

[MadHound]

67. Blood on his hands also, but not near the amount of blood as is on Hillary's

After all, Clinton helped enable this war, and then went further and continued to support it, and rattled sabers against Iran. In addition to her statements that she will continue to keep combat troops in Iraq, going on combat missions. Far and away more hawkish than Obama. Granted, he's not perfect, but Hillary is persisting in continuing the ongoing carnage.

But hey, crickets are out here chirping, wondering whether or not you're still going to sit home and pout on election day if Obama gets the nod.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

69. We could argue that point but a lesser of two evils is an unlikely revolutionary

[MadHound]

71. Argue what point?

I agree, Obama is no revolutionary, but he isn't rattling a saber at Iran, nor is he threatening to keep combat missions and combat troops going in Iraq indefinitely. Is that perfect, no, but I can stomach that.

However you still aren't answering my question about your fall voting pattern if Obama gets the nod. What, embarrassed at being so honest the other day, rethinking your position, or just don't like being exposed for the hypocrite that such a statement makes you appear to be?

[miceelf]

97. !!!

So you're against Obama because he's almost as evil as your candidate???

Wow. Just wow.

[whatchamacallit]

44. All the Hillbots repeatedly drone "T-h-e O-b-a-m-a c-a-m-p-a-i-g-n i-s a c-u-l-t"...

I'm gonna need deprogramming from the deprogrammers...

[rodeodance]

50. just reset the buttom that turns on our brain

[Straight Shooter]

49. Barack has been taught the technique to reach out and touch everyone's hippocampus.

george w. bush did it with the right wing, Barack does it with the left wing.

Both are manufactured candidates, designed to provide mass appeal to the most number of voters.

You're right. There is nothing extraordinary about him. There is nothing extraordinary about any politician anymore. That's simply being pragmatic, and hope has nothing to do with it. Hope is lazy. Pragmatism works.

[1776Forever]

54. Check this out - No matter what you say I am in a Social Change Washington Movement - NOT a cult!!!

They can say Barack's middle name a thousand times -
They can say he is leading a cult and I will laugh in their face -
They can say he is too inexperienced -
They can say that we are all only backing him because he is a brilliant speaker -
They can say it was so much better under Bill and Hillary (she says she was with him for 35 years not me)-
They can say that he lied about taking bundling money -

And I will say - Hussien means "Good and Handsome One" and Barack means "Blessed One".

If a cult is controlled and where no one has a say then I say Obama's supporters are more liberal then any other Democrat supporters. We support his progressive and liberal views and are not blindly being pulled into deceptive practices!

When you look at what he has said and stood for - Not going to War - Pushing for help for Homeless Veterans - Standing up to Condi Rice and the Bush Administration on Blackwater - Introducing and moving through a Bill that stops Lobbyists in their deceitful practices. For this and his stand on Health Care, working together with all parties, and making us a power for good in the World once again.

Yes, he is a brilliant speaker and that is a wonderful attribute to the younger members of our country. If you ask me I would rather be hearing him giving me the information on our country then listening to Hillary and her secretiveness that I feel came out in the early part of her run for the nominiation and then when she saw it didn't work she changed.

Hillary and Bill have more baggage too! They have the following:

Since Hillary has said she has 35 years of accomplishments and ties this to Bill's tail - let's take a look at what they have accomplished:

NAFTA, CAFTA, Communications Bill of 1996 Act, and outsourcing money to India -
Her vote against the people and for the Corporations in the Bankruptcy Bill -
Voting for the Iraq War to invade - not to help protect the troops after they are all ready there -
And not least: Her vote of the so-called "Lieberman-Kyl" resolution on Iran.

On bundling Hillary has taken more:

Check out whitehouseforsale.org at this link:

http://www.whitehouseforsale.org/index.cfm

Hillary Clinton (D)

Total Raised:
$104,571,988
************
Bundlers: 322
Lobbyist Bundlers: 20


Barack Obama (D)

Total Raised:
$101,429,497
************
Bundlers: 359
Lobbyist Bundlers: 10

**************
No matter what they say - I am for Obama!!!!!!!!!!!

And by the way Whoopi - Obama said he was for giving the Corporations the tax breaks in 2006!!!!!!!

http://obama.senate.gov/news/060923-sen_obama_at_to /

:headbang:

[moondust]

73. Can't find a job, eh?

It's pretty common these days.

[Gloria]

76. And he appeals with religious overtones to spur people on...

Well said, Proud...

[journalist3072]

78. For me, what's scary is the blind loyalty and non-accountability

I've been saying for a long time now, that I felt as though Obama has a cult-like following.

For one, I haven't really heard any Obama supporter truly articulate in a substantive way, why they support him. It's just a lot of "I'm voting for the Black man" (ie Jay Anthony Brown and Tom Joyner) or the "he gives me hope."

It's almost as though many Obama supporters don't know why they support him. It's blind loyalty.

The other scary thing is them not wanting to hold him accountable. Someone actually called into Tom Joyner's show and said we need to vote for Obama first, then find out what he wants to do for Black America. What?!

I defintely feel that Obama's followers are a cult.

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

81. Right on!

[lse7581011]

83. I've Had 3 Calls Tonight

all from Obama supporters encouraging me to caucus on Sunday (I live in Maine) - none from Hillary! Who's better organized here?

[kdpeters]

88. Wow! You Hillary folks sure are grouchy!

[izzybeans]

89. speaking of dishonesty...

wow...just...wow.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

92. none of the OP is dishonest

[izzybeans]

93. ok.

Right.

[dionysus]

90. still trying trollagizer doucheba-- er.. bunny...

[texastoast]

96. We are not Clinton stupid, sweetie

Unlike some folks posting on this board. You need to go back and read what I've already told you, then go to your own neighbors and see what they say.


No, he is not perfect, and he is not my first choice.

But he is not my last choice.

[earth mom]

102. I agree with you. And don't forget all that corporate money Obama took from lobbyists.

They OWN him.

I thought I'd seen everything the past several years, but this Obama cult stuff really tops it all! :scared:

[donheld]

105. You are the ultimate jack-ass

[cooolandrew]

106. Hide the cult threads turn off the TV or radio when they use this word they are using brainwashing..

...Then we can get back to peace and harmony.

[pathansen]

107. He has repeatedly snubbed fellow democrats = Bad atitude

He actually refused to be pictured with the San Francisco mayor who endorsed him and someone who fundraised for him. Why? Does not support gays? Then why is he claiming to be a Democrat?
Both he and his wife have made statements raising doubts if they would even support the other Democratic candidate if she wins the primaries.
So it sounds like they don't care if the whole party loses to McCain because of Obama's sore loser attitude.
He not only refused to shake Hillary's hand but refused to sit with her during SOU after she requested it to show party unity.
Refuses to congratulate her when she wins state primaries. Instead there is a lawsuit.

[jonnyblitz]

108. I agree with everything you say about Obama BUT I personally

wouldn't go so far as to call his movement or campaign a cult though I think it is interesting and necessary to point out that, outside of DU, newspapers are writing articles about it being like a cult and THIS shouldn't be ignored. it needs to be factored in with everything else.

[Honeycombe8]

110. I like his healthcare plan, his position on global warming, his bringing the country together....

Billary had a chance to deal with global warming and the environment. They failed. They've had their chance.

It's a great skill for a leader to have...the ability to speak well and move people. We have forgotten that, what with Bush "our childrens is learnin'" being in office so long.

If you recall, speaking well was one of Bill's skills, too.

[SammyWinstonJack]

111. K&R

[joeybee12]

112. Agreed, he's an empty suit and people are imagining he shares their

dreams and ideals...what's the psychological term for this? Transference?

[mtnsnake]

114. K&R for the cold hard truth

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