Did Hillary work with Repukes to ban flag burning?

[sidwill]

Is this true?

[HeraldSquare212]

1. Yes. And cenorsing video games, etc.

She liked to appear at press conferences with people like Santorum, Brownback and Lieberman, announcing new bills they were all co-sponsoring.

[TwilightGardener]

2. Yes, 'tis true. A proud and worthwhile piece of pre-Presidential run legislative grandstanding.

[sidwill]

7. She will censor my video games when she prys them from my cold, dead,

carpal tunnel afflicted, gnarled, fingers.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

3. Yup. It's a fair cop.

[kirby]

4. Nay... And Obama voted Nay. Here is link:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00189

[Bread and Circus]

9. It's says Clinton voted Nay as well... is there a bigger back story?

[kirby]

11. I edited...

a few seconds after I posted the link. However,

'Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is supporting new legislation to criminalize desecration of the United States flag _ though she still opposes a constitutional ban on flag attacks.

Clinton, D-N.Y., has agreed to co-sponsor a measure by Republican Sen. Bob Bennett of Utah, which has been written in hopes of surviving any constitutional challenge following a 2003 Supreme Court ruling on the subject.

Her support of Bennett's bill follows her position in Congress last summer, when a constitutional ban on flag-burning was debated. Clinton said then she didn't support a constitutional ban, but did support federal legislation making it a crime to desecrate the flag.

In her public statements, she has compared the act of flag-burning to burning a cross, which can be considered a violation of federal civil rights law. "

See my reponse #16 below

[rinsd]

10. Its a different bill. Hillary sought to ban flag burning as a means of intimidation.

It was a similar amendment to the Flag Burning amendment offered up by Durbin (which I believe Hillary & Obama voted for).

They were both against a flag burning amendment to the Constitution.

[paulk]

19. no, that's a link to the flag desecration constitutional amendment

which Hillary also voted "no" on.

oh, and btw, Obama voted "yes" on the amendment Hillary co-sponsored

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00188


It was called officially the Durbin amendment



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just thought you might like to know this

[NJSecularist]

5. Hillary voted NAY on the bill, just like Obama.

[thunder rising]

13. Hillary Co-Sponsored her own bill to ban desecration of the flag (link below)

[NJSecularist]

15. Yet, when push came to shove she voted NAY

[rinsd]

22. On the Constitutional amendment, both voted against.

But both she & Obama voted for the Durbin amendment to that bill which sought to ban flag burning as a means of intimidation.

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. So did Dennis Kucinich and I disagree with their positions on that.

no one is perfect.....especially politicians.

[MH1]

8. Meanwhile, this is how Obama works with people

for stuff like videotaping of police interrogations (to put a stop to abuse of suspects):

Consider a bill into which Obama clearly put his heart and soul. The problem he wanted to address was that too many confessions, rather than being voluntary, were coerced -- by beating the daylights out of the accused.

Obama proposed requiring that interrogations and confessions be videotaped.

This seemed likely to stop the beatings, but the bill itself aroused immediate opposition. There were Republicans who were automatically tough on crime and Democrats who feared being thought soft on crime. There were death penalty abolitionists, some of whom worried that Obama's bill, by preventing the execution of innocents, would deprive them of their best argument. Vigorous opposition came from the police, too many of whom had become accustomed to using muscle to "solve" crimes. And the incoming governor, Rod Blagojevich, announced that he was against it.

Obama had his work cut out for him.

He responded with an all-out campaign of cajolery. It had not been easy for a Harvard man to become a regular guy to his colleagues. Obama had managed to do so by playing basketball and poker with them and, most of all, by listening to their concerns. Even Republicans came to respect him. One Republican state senator, Kirk Dillard, has said that "Barack had a way both intellectually and in demeanor that defused skeptics."

The police proved to be Obama's toughest opponent. Legislators tend to quail when cops say things like, "This means we won't be able to protect your children." The police tried to limit the videotaping to confessions, but Obama, knowing that the beatings were most likely to occur during questioning, fought -- successfully -- to keep interrogations included in the required videotaping.

By showing officers that he shared many of their concerns, even going so far as to help pass other legislation they wanted, he was able to quiet the fears of many.

Obama proved persuasive enough that the bill passed both houses of the legislature, the Senate by an incredible 35 to 0. Then he talked Blagojevich into signing the bill, making Illinois the first state to require such videotaping.

Obama didn't stop there. He played a major role in passing many other bills, including the state's first earned-income tax credit to help the working poor and the first ethics and campaign finance law in 25 years (a law a Post story said made Illinois "one of the best in the nation on campaign finance disclosure"). Obama's commitment to ethics continued in the U.S. Senate, where he co-authored the new lobbying reform law that, among its hard-to-sell provisions, requires lawmakers to disclose the names of lobbyists who "bundle" contributions for them.

Taken together, these accomplishments demonstrate that Obama has what Dillard, the Republican state senator, calls a "unique" ability "to deal with extremely complex issues, to reach across the aisle and to deal with diverse people." In other words, Obama's campaign claim that he can persuade us to rise above what divides us is not just rhetoric.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303_pf.html

[thunder rising]

14. That's pretty sweet coming from the WAPO.

[sam sarrha]

21. this is what i have been wanting to see here, facts, rational discussion, ..thanks

[MH1]

25. you're welcome

that article was posted in GD-P earlier but sank like a rock. (imagine that, huh?)

I'm glad I saved the link.

[thunder rising]

12. She co-sponsored a bill that would outlaw desecration

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/27/flag.burning/index.html

Senators began debating the amendment Monday, along with an alternative proposal from Sens. Hillary Clinton, D-New York, and Bob Bennett, R-Utah. They wanted to ban flag desecration by law rather than by constitutional amendment. That proposal, too, was shot down Tuesday, 64-36.

That's our Hillary...always bending over to help the Republicans.

The funny thing is that Harry Reid voted in favor of the constitutional amendment (in the same article).

[kirby]

16. Here is the bill she cosponsored:

S.1911
Title: A bill to provide for the protection of the flag of the United States, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Bennett, Robert F. (introduced 10/24/2005) Cosponsors (4)
Related Bills: S.1370
Latest Major Action: 10/24/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary. COSPONSORS(4), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)


Sen Boxer, Barbara - 6/27/2006
Sen Carper, Thomas R. - 6/27/2006
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham - 10/24/2005
Sen Pryor, Mark L. - 9/28/2006

[Yossariant]

17. NO. You'd have to be extremely politically naive to believe it.

Oh, wait ... :evilgrin:

[Avalux]

18. Yes she did. Not being talked about though.

Her supporters tend to get really angry when controversial things she's done are brought up. They remind me of Bush supporters.

[rinsd]

20. Obama voted for a nearly identical bill that she cosponsored with Durbin.

In fact Durbin's bill(an amendment seeking to form a compromise on flag burning and prevent a constitutional amendment) appears modeled upon the one she cosponsored earlier with a Goper. That bill sought to ban flag burning as a means of intimidation.

Gotta love those Obama supporters all filled with righteous indignation at something Hillary did...until they find out Obama has an identical position on it.

[MADem]

24. Horrible woman!! How DARE she!!!

Ooops...he did tooo?

Errrrr......NEVER MIND.....

[rinsd]

26. Its the idiocy that kills me.

Today someone who wrongly described an Obama plan then insisted it was better than Hillary's.

Even though 5 seconds of reading showed the plans were identical.

[MADem]

28. You cannot tell them anything. They're proud of their ignorance, unfortunately. NT

[MADem]

23. She crafted a narrow little law to keep a GOP Congress from passing a Constitutional AMENDMENT!

The narrow little law applies to FEDERAL property, and was a "show law."

You aren't allowed to burn ANYTHING on Federal property, not even to protest, anyway.
It changes absolutely nothing, in real terms.

But what a HORRIBLE woman!! She prevented the GOP from FUCKING with the Constitution!!


How DARE she!!!!!!

[sniffa]

27. Of course not

SHE CRUSH PUNY REPUKE