Clinton leads in Wisconsin by nearly double-digits!

[geek tragedy]

Clinton: 50
Obama: 41
Other/Undecided: 9

Dates: February 6-7

Link here.

Looks like this will be a good spot for Clinton to turn things around and make a last stand.

[Eric J in MN]

1. It's a medium-sized state. If one Democrat gets slighltly more delegates from WI

...than the other, it won't affect the presidential race much.

[geek tragedy]

15. Big momentum state. Clinton needs to win here.

If she can't win here, she's in BIG trouble.

[ORDagnabbit]

2. when does wisconsin vote?

[geek tragedy]

8. February 19. n/t

[AGirl]

3. when will the primary be hold in WI?

[LittleClarkie]

20. Feb 19

Might actually mean something this time around.

[loveangelc]

4. AMERICAN RESEARCH GROUP.

[Drunken Irishman]

5. ARG is trash.

Even if the poll had Obama winning, I wouldn't believe it.

[democrattotheend]

41. I think this poll might be right though

Wisconsin, from what I know about it, has a lot of white working class Dems...I think the demographics there favor Clinton. Though it is in close proximity to Illinois, so that might help Obama (it helped Clinton in NJ, not so much in Connecticut).

[Drunken Irishman]

44. If they are right, she's in trouble.

Because she led by 20 there in September and by 13 in December. At this rate, if Obama has a successful early February, she won't have a lead anymore.

[MadBadger]

6. I'm gonna guess you didnt post the exact link because you know its ARG.

[geek tragedy]

10. Who me?

Why would I do that if I'm trying to raise expectations for Clinton and lower them for Obama?

[loveangelc]

24. lol o0o0o :)

[Straight Shooter]

7. Looks like the foks of Wisconsin are looking for a pragmatist, not a dreamer.

I hope so.

[geek tragedy]

11. I'm sure that's exactly what's going on. Clinton should win

that state by double digits.

[John Q. Citizen]

17. You said "hope."

[Straight Shooter]

46. I know. I had a temporary lapse and got lazy. n/t

[blm]

36. Closed government = Pragmatism? Open Government = Dreaming?

Really?

How pragmatic was it of Bill to deep-six BCCI investigation when it allowed BushInc to go free enough to plan a return to the WH in 2000? Or when some of those outstanding matters in BCCI flew into the WTC?

How did that Clinton 'pragmatism' work out for our party, the Nation and the world in the LONGTERM?

Nearly every good thing squeezed out during that time was overturned within a year by Bush2 while all the worst decisions usually protecting BushInc came back to seriously harm this nation and the world for generations.


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[Straight Shooter]

47. Why did you wait until this election to start screaming about this?

Almost every thread you appear, there's this BCCI investigation.

What about Kerry? What did he do after the BCCI investigation? Jesus! The man didn't even bring it up in his campaign. That's when I got outraged. Were you outraged, too? Or were you storing it all up and waiting for just the right moment to express your indignation, four years after Kerry had the election stolen?

He could have even made a comparison to the stolen election, but he didn't. Outrage over BCCI, indeed.

[blm]

57. I've ALWAYS talked about BCCI. And when Kerry talked about it in the campaign, the Dem

spokespeople would never FURTHER his comments. Dem spokespeople set in place for years by Clinton MACHINE - all schooled in defending Clintons and none knowledgeable about much else. After all, Bill pointedly never brought up BCCI in his book and never mentioned anything about it in his many interviews on terrorism. What would THEY know?

And the few press who reported on Kerry's campaign comments reBCCI complained about it being a boring subject.

But the fact still remains that Clintons side with Closed Government. And closed government has harmed our nation gravely.

PS - I didn't START in on Clinton's complicity until I read his book. Up until then I always wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. That once he left office he'd explain why it was necessary to do and how it couldn't be helped for some serious reason - but that's not what he did. He INSULTED anyone who paid attention to the last 3 decades of these issues. He never even mentions one word about BCCI at all, though he was handed the BCCI report when he took office and the matters left outstanding directly led to 9-11.

You don't seem to get that Clinton has proved his failure to pursue those matters was deliberate.

Any simple search on Jackson Stephens role in Clinton's life and in bringing BCCI to this country should open up some eyes.

Don't blame ME for understanding what has been going on and for telling the truth.


And further - why not ANSWER the question posed? How DID Bill's decision to deep-six BCCI matters turn out for this nation in the long run?

Instead of killing the questioner, why not answer the question?

[rodeodance]

48. Cheezeheads are like that:-) YES THEY CAN

[bigdarryl]

9. OH LORD !!!!! ARG is notoriously inaccurate in there polling they always poll Hillary higher

[geek tragedy]

12. They got California right. n/t

[loveangelc]

19. a broken clock is right twice.

[NJSecularist]

13. Well...

[geek tragedy]

18. At best, then, Obama is tied.

Clinton could be up by 17-18!
;)

[Bitwit1234]

14. You mean you dared to post something favorable about Hillary

this thread will be overrun by flames trying to twist the vote and negatate it.

[democrattotheend]

16. I don't understand why people think it favors Obama

I always thought Wisconsin was a state that would favor Clinton, and this poll confirms my suspicion.

[MadBadger]

21. Madison favors Obama

[rodeodance]

60. ~ALL FIRED -UP FOR THE LADY~-YES SHE CAN, YES WE CAN

[Drunken Irishman]

Well if you're to believe this poll, Obama has surged as of late.

The last poll I could find showed Clinton up 20.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/wisconsin_poll_091907.htm

[LittleClarkie]

22. Good thing this little Wisconsinite just gave Obama $50 then

Hope it helps.

[rodeodance]

61. YOU little cheezehead---it will go down a hole don't cha know!

[LittleClarkie]

69. It ain't easy bein' cheezy

But then we were alway proud of that designation.

[jefferson_dem]

23. Oh my.

Given these numbers, I think it's going to be a real uphill slog for Obama in WI. Hillary should win there easily, even if this weekend doesn't go her way. I'm sure she sees WI as her very last, final firewall. :)

[loveangelc]

25. Ok, I see what you did there...

[geek tragedy]

26. Obama supporters need to do everything they can to

win there. It'll be an uphill climb, but if they get within five points it'll be a moral victory.

[MadBadger]

29. Dont worry, Obama will be in Wisconsin several times I think post Feb 12

[jefferson_dem]

34. Within five points would be awesome. I don't think anyone expects him to actually win there.

Go Bucky Badgers!!!

[MadBadger]

39. Psssssstt: Are we lowering expectations?

Cuz i think we will win here. I will not lose both of my home states.

[geek tragedy]

42. Yes, we are. n/t

[jefferson_dem]

50. Yes, indeedy...

Just between us... :hide:

[Bigleaf]

27. Did Feingold (will he) endorse anyone?

[MadBadger]

30. He hasnt but Dave Obey endorsed Obama today.

[Straight Shooter]

49. Feingold didn't endorse anyone but he took the time and effort to trash-mouth Edwards.

The only time I've ever seen Feingold petty, but he obviously knows how to do petty in a big way.

For those who don't get the reference, Google it and you'll see his extremely harsh remarks about John Edwards.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

28. Last stand? This bugger is gonna last to the Convention. Tied all the way.

I'm really thinking the Supers really will decide this. What a pain in the ass, if our collective Supers are not grey in the hair now, just wait, 'twin peaks' grey is a-coming.

[no name no slogan]

31. She was leading MN by 7 points a week before the caucuses

And she lost nearly 2:1 to Obama on Super Tuesday.

Polls are scurrilous things

[geek tragedy]

32. MN was a caucus, WI is a primary.

And she won't ignore WI like she ignored MN.

[Eric J in MN]

37. Voting for the presidential nominee in MN was just marking a ballot.

We didn't stand in corners of the room like in Iowa or anything.

[no name no slogan]

38. MN is actually a hybrid-- not a pure caucus.

They use a binding straw poll to determine how many delegates are awarded, but select delegates via caucuses and conventions.

And she didn't ignore MN, either. She made an appearance here last Saturday, the day after Obama had made an appearance. Plus she had more endorsements of the party bigwigs, including former Sen. Mark Dayton and the speaker of the state House. She certainly did not ignore Minnesota.

[Drunken Irishman]

35. She was also up 20 late last year.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/wisconsin_poll_091907.htm

[no name no slogan]

43. If I didn't know any better, I'd say her numbers are collapsing

she was up by double digits in most states back in November. Since then she's either fallen behind or seen her lead shrink to very small margins everywhere.

[rodeodance]

56. yeah yeah--

[sfam]

33. Great! So can we stop the "Clinton is underdog, going against the establishment" pitch?

If she is up by 9 points on a state as big as Wisconsin, she isn't the underdog. It would be terrific if Obama can put up a good fight here and possibly even take it. But if he does, he will be snatching one from her, similar to Missouri.

[durtee librul]

45. Funny, I have firends in Clintonville, La Crosse, Madison,Ashland,

kenosha, Racine and Eau Claire and they all like Obama.....that's a pretty good cross section of the state from all walks of life (and retirement).....

If Feingold was to endorse someone, well, that would make it really interesting.

[rzemanfl]

40. I think people in Wisconsin would say it's a horse a piece -

look up the term.

[Thrill]

51. I hear the Governor's son, has a huge grassroots org going for Obama

NICE!!

[MadBadger]

53. Gus has been great for the Obama campaign, and now has his father's support.

[rodeodance]

52. Undecided Super-delegate just gave an interview regarding WI primary, Feb, 19. He is a

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Undecided Super-delegate just gave an interview regarding WI primary, Feb, 17. He is a
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4489480#4489480
4489480, Undecided Super-delegate just gave an interview regarding WI primary, Feb, 17. He is a
Posted by rodeodance on Fri Feb-08-08 07:17 PM


College student. He said for Sen. Clinton he has gotten phone calls from Bill and Chelsea and
Madaline Albright. For Sen. Obama he has gotten calls from Sen Kerry and Mayor ? Bradley.
He said he had idea if will get more calls or not.

He was he enjoyed conversions from them all—learned lots about issues and also insight.
He is still undecided.

I thought I would post this-given the long thread about Chelsea making calls ealier.

[rodeodance]

54. Hillary has Tammy Balwin has her Co-chair--she is doing her job:-)

[sniffa]

55. My god, he's dead in the water

:(

Should he consider dropping out before losing WI in such an embarrassing loss?

I think he should be lowering expectations so that if he only loses by 10-15% he can claim a moral victory and justify staying in the race.

[rodeodance]

63. Lowering EXPECTATIONS AGAIN?

[rodeodance]

58. Off to the GREATEST

[lse7581011]

59. Knew Someone From Wisconsin Once

doesn't surprise me really!

[jgraz]

62. Wisconsin was where Bill sealed the deal in '92

Here's hoping history does not repeat itself.

[Obamaniac]

64. This is nothing a good campaign can't overcome...

Nine points is nothing.

Wisconsin here we come....

[rodeodance]

65. ~ALL FIRED-UP FOR THE LADY~ YES SHE CAN, YES WE CAN~

[lse7581011]

66. GObama! n/t

[ShadowLiberal]

67. I was afraid of this

I was afraid of this, I read an article that said Wisconsin is Hillary's best chance for victory in this month.

[geek tragedy]

71. Then we'll have to bust our ass to make up ground. n/t

[lse7581011]

68. For the first time!

I just donated to a political campaign - for Obama! And feel pretty damn good about it!

[pstans]

70. ARG's poll always favor Hilary, or at least they did in Iowa