Contact the DNC to say Florida and Michigan must count!

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

http://www.democrats.org/page/s/contactissues


Tell them Obama advertised in Florida against the rules, Voters showed up, Voters voted. You thought every vote counted!
Are they conceding Florida and its disenfranchised voters to Republicans of 2000 they do this? Tell them if your vote does not count as a Democrat that it might fare better as a Republican!

They cannot seriously be considering telling Florida they do not count! This has to be stopped! Florida counts! Or they can count on heavy repercussions!

[sidwill]

1. LOL

You sooo craazzzzzzyyy!

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

6. Go right ahead and support voters being thrown out!

Don't cry in November or ever again!

[sidwill]

23. I would support another contested REAL primary

where both candidates campaign in Fl.

Even a caucus.

But not the bs you are proposing.

[RiverStone]

58. Agreed! If it goes per the OP - the backlash against Hillary would be huge!

People won't tolerate the rules changing mid-stream.

She would lose on that alone.

[bunnies]

2. No. nt

[K Gardner]

3. No thanks.

[Yael]

4. Please -- move past it. They broke the rules and they have to take responsibility for it.

I would be happy if they would agree to caucus, but Florida declined. I believe Michigan is considering it.

[joshcryer]

10. They can be seated within the rules of the DNC.

[Yael]

27. And in 2012, all primaries will be on January 2nd

ensuring that it won't be about issues, but who has the most money.

Our system isn't perfect, but there are reasons for it...

My candidate is out, so I have no dog in the hunt until April -- but I disagree with going back and allowing rules breakers to get away with it without any penalty AFTER the DNC begged them (both states) to reconsider.

I have to wonder if they (the state parties) are regretting their decision now that it will definitely be a March (or April or later) decision.

[K Gardner]

36. Cheater.

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

14. Super Delegates count more then voters, Thats sad.

[DJ13]

5. No.

Rigged elections are a GOP thing, not our thing.

Nice try at theft.

[joshcryer]

12. They can be seated within the rules of the DNC.

[K Gardner]

37. Cheater.

[stray cat]

7. the DNC can let them revote but you can't change the rules after the fact

[joshcryer]

8. They can be seated within the rules of the DNC.

[K Gardner]

38. Cheater.

[MessiahRp]

9. Nope. Those parties broke the rules, they deserve the punishment.

Plus it's obvious that Hillary won uncontested primaries and is trying to cheat her way to more delegates.

Rp

[joshcryer]

11. They can be seated within the rules of the DNC.

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

16. Thats true!

[MessiahRp]

17. So glad you added so much to this topic of discussion with all the repeat postings.

:eyes:

[sidwill]

21. You might want to change your name to "Town Cryer"

and your sig line to "They can be seated within the rules of the DNC."

It will save you time and energy.

[DJ13]

22. Hillbot, you need a reboot

Reposting the same thing isnt helping your attempt to steal an election.

[K Gardner]

35. ROFL !

[K Gardner]

39. Cheater.

[MethuenProgressive]

13. Who would be so Anti-Democracy that they''d support the disenfranchisement of so many black voters?

:shrug:

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

20. Yeah odd isn't it? Obamapublicans?

[lligrd]

Hmmm, Didn't Hillary Show Up In Florida??

And sorry, but it would be quite unfair to the other states to change the rules now.

[HereSince1628]

15. Let them apply to do a caucus. It'll get approved as it won't violate

the restriction on them to not move caucuses and primaries forward.

Follow rules and get rewarded. What a concept!

[Orangepeel]

18. The DNC should pay for a caucus, which was their original compromise offer

if the states don't want to take it, too bad.

[Yael]

29. I agree and I hope they do caucus, but I disagree that

the DNC should pay for their lapse of judgment. (Don't you just KNOW they are wishing they were later in the season now? Wow!).

Nope -- if the state parties want to be seated, let them caucus and let them foot the bill.

The DNC needs the money to run the GE campaign against McCain.

[Orangepeel]

34. I would agree if the DNC hadn't previously offered

I think that Bill Nelson and Karen Thurmond ought to split the bill themselves. But, the DNC might want to do it as a goodwill gesture.

[ozone_man]

19. 2012 is another election.

And another chance to obey the rules that the DNC establishes. I hate some of the rules as much as the next person, but if you want to play in the game, you have to play by the rules.

[RamboLiberal]

24. Bullshit - Either do it over or don't count them

Especially Michigan. Why was Hillary the only name on the ballot beside Kucinich? All the other Dems had their names pulled!

You claim Florida was unfair because Obama advertised - from what I understand that was a national buy. Heck I've seen his ad on national cable in PA where the primary isn't until late April!

IMHO only way Mich and Florida delegates should be seated is if they do a new primary or caucus.

If the DNC seats Mich and Florida w/o that they're never getting another dime from this Dem!

Go ahead and tear the party apart then cry in your beer as you watch McCain at the inauguration instead of Clinton or Obama!

[Eric J in MN]

41. I agree. I just wrote the DNC saying we need new elections in those states. NT

NT

[Blarch]

25. No thanks.

They can re-vote and be seated...but the people need to know their vote will count....Re-Do

[durrrty libby]

26. Looks like Michigan did the right thing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4489331

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

28. Cool!

[durrrty libby]

30. They've been awarded. Next step seated

[Yael]

32. Michigan doesn't have the authority to seat delegates

Sorry!

[Lisa0825]

31. NO. In fact, I think I will contact them to say "stand your ground!"

Thanks for motivating me to do that! :patriot:

[Yael]

33. As an Edwards supporter, I will join you.

:hi:

Edit to add -- email sent:

Dear Dr. Dean et al,

I am writing as a registered Democrat to ask that you hold your ground and DO NOT seat the Florida and Michigan delegates. Those states broke the rules, they ignored the DLC pleas to move their primaries back and they have ignored pleas to hold a separate caucus.

This election season has been ginned up and gamed up in classic politico style. Lets not add this bit of bait and switch to the mix. We may already have credibility and trust issues in the general (depending on our candidate). Lets not add to that.

As a Pennsylvania resident and an Edwards Democrat, I have no dog in this hunt at this point -- I am just asking that we not change the rules in the middle of the game.

Best,

[K Gardner]

40. Me too !

[johnnydrama]

42. how about

We contact them and tell them to award them based on how the rest of the country voted.

Or ok, give Hillary the extra delegate if there is one, since she "won" the popular vote.

Who could be against that................................

[Yael]

44. Great idea!

:eyes:

[K Gardner]

54. Perhaps the Floridians who DIDNT vote because no one campaigned or because

they thought it didn't count or because they didn't know the date had been moved.. i.e., the people who showed up to vote on Feb 5th and the people who called wanting to know when their primary was, etc. Or the people who WOULD have gone to vote had they known a candidate OTHER than the one they supported would show up and claim victory for a primary that never really was.

It just ain't right :-)

[Yael]

56. There ya go again KG -- pointing out the obvious

:spank:

[Lisa0825]

46. Edwards was my first choice.

Obama had always been my second, but I must say my respect for him has really grown since I turned my focus to him. I will always have a place in my heart for Edwards. I hope he will find himself in some position from which he can still work for the goals he has run on, such as eliminating the shameful problem of poverty in this country. His desire to make life better for those who struggle to get by in this country is what attracted me to him.

I love the way that Al Gore came back and found a way to continue his work and even grow as a force in the world. If the right office does not come along for Edwards, I hope that in some way, he will be able to still be a force for good like Gore has.

[Yael]

50. From your lips

Edwards is a good man -- and he spoke from the gut. :loveya:

I am hoping that he DOES follow in Gore's footsteps with his War on Poverty. IMO, I was never for a Gore re-run as I felt it would water down and diminish his life's calling. I am starting to see John in the same light as I know he truly believes in his cause. He got ME to believe in his cause and I never met the man! Not being able to cast my vote for John broke my heart but when he and Elizabeth announce their next project, I am all over it. Anything I can do -- I will do.

I am looking closely at Obama. I don't think I can stomach the alternative. :(

:hi:

[Sherman A1]

51. Agreed

[MagickMuffin]

43. Nope, it wouldn't be fair to the other candidates NOT on the ballot at the time

If only two candidates out of the eight were on the ballot, then in all fairness they should abide by the rules.

I don't think any voter should be disenfranchised, but if those voters didn't get the chance to vote for their candidate then THEY WERE DISENFRANCHISED.

[oviedodem]

45. I am being dead honest. If they seat those delgates WITHOUT

doing it over and screw both my first and second candidates (Obama, Edwards).

I'll stay home.

[LittleClarkie]

47. Would you give a shit if Hillary hadn't won those states?

Would you care about disenfranchised voters if it were Obama, and not Hillary, who'd won them?

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

49. yes I would, Florida especially. Democrats cannot let this happen again We PROMISED!

In 2000 your democratic party promised to fight for these people and now is screwing them.

We cannot expect to Wn Florida in 08 if this stands.

[Yael]

53. ROFL!!!!

Do you even KNOW what happened in 2000?

If in fact you do, please explain to the class what the Selection of 2000 has to do with party rules on the timing of primary contests.

We will be right here waiting. :hi:

[LittleClarkie]

55. Okay then.

Cool.

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

57. The party Fucked up, not the People. Peoples rights trump party rules.

Michigan a case can be made that the BALLOT was flawwed and should not count. The choices were left off. I AGREEE with that, A revote is needed. Florida was there, Obama advertised there...It has to count.

[Yael]

59. No "choices" were left off. JE and BO had their names removed in MI per party guidelines

Is this your first election?

[Yael]

60. No response to post #53?

[johnnydrama]

61. so

give Hillary 1 more delegate than Obama in FL, she wins, problem solved.

[itsrobert]

48. You're a DUMB ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

OBAMA advertised on National satellite tv. His ads were not intended for Florida. Hillary advertised on San Diego tv, was she telling people in Mexico to come to California to vote for her?

[Quixote1818]

52. Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan. How fair would that be? nt

[mkultra]

62. HRC broke the ruls in mich

All candidates agreed to ask that their names be pulled from the ballot. HRC agreed then didn't do it.
No seat!