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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:33 PM Original message |
Political Reality: whoever we nominate, we'll LOSE if we fudge on the war(s) |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. I agree, but it has to be framed right. It can't look like an "anti-war" peacenik |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I think you can do both things: |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
3. Then Obama should have voted no on Kyl/Lieberman and made a firm commitment. |
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GOPBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. They won't be able to keep the domestic issues off the table this time. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. But you will agree, I assume, that we can't win on a "we can do it better" war plank. |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Definitely agree on that one. Dems should never boast that "we do war better than they do." |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. They've managed to keep it off the table for over eight years. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. The wars and economic issues, as always, are tied together. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I agree that Obama should have voted no on Kyl/Lieberman |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. It's going to be very difficult to make Americans keep their eye on the ball. |
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Yossariant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
9. Dennis Kucinich agrees with you. The demise of his campaign suggests that most Democrats do not. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. The party is for peace. It's only the Beltway that fudges on it. |
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Yossariant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Again, your suggestion that we can win on Kucinich's principles is nonsense. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. To be a hawk is to govern as a conservative and fail. Why can't you see that? |
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Yossariant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I am realistic, rational and MY "feelings" about the war are not the issue. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. But if there's no difference on Iraq, then the Dems can't do anything different on anything else. |
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Yossariant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. A significant majority of the country wanted military action against Iraq. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Yes, they did want it. Then, they realized they'd been lied to and that the war was futile |
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Yossariant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I refuse to accept that telling 70% of the population how gullible they were is a winning strategy. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. It's not about saying "you people were gullible" It's about saying |
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Yossariant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. That's what the Democratic candidates are saying. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I'm saying let's say "we'll end this, and soon". |
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Yossariant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. You're creating problems we don't have. The opponent is McCain. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 02:15 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Peace didn't leave the race with Kucinich. His departure doesn't mean the party BACKS the war. |
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Yossariant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 02:18 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. We WILL win on a clear difference on the war. Peace. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 02:27 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. OK. I guess I don't know what it is I'm saying that you're so paranoid about then. |
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Yossariant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 02:40 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Some people just can't seem to take "Yes" for an answer. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 02:43 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I can. Yes is good. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-08-08 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
12. keep talking about what the futile war is costing us |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-09-08 02:20 AM Response to Original message |
27. Nixon's "Peace With Honor" got him elected... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-10-08 04:27 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Actually, it was Nixon's "secret plan to end the war" that got him elected in '68 |
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