Has Obama in the past urge Black voters to vote according to race?

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

http://www.gopbloggers.org/mt/archives/004414.html
Barack Obama's Shameless Racism
Democrats have cynically played the race card every two years, and Barack Obama seems to be the poster child for it this year. Best of the Web notes:
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"Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois today urged hundreds of blacks not to vote along racial lines next week in Maryland's Senate race. Obama, the only black U.S. senator, came to the state to rally support for Democratic Rep. Benjamin L. Cardin, who is white. Cardin's Republican opponent, Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele, is the first black candidate ever elected statewide and has been courting black Democrats."--Associated Press, Nov. 3
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"The nation's only black senator, Barack Obama, D-Ill., asked voters at two black churches and at a Nashville rally to elect Ford, a Democrat who is trying to become the first black senator from the South in more than 100 years. 'I know that all of you are going to work the next couple of days to make sure it happens, because I'm feeling lonely in Washington,' Obama said at the Mt. Zion Baptist Church. 'I need my dear friend to join me.' "--Associated Press, Nov. 5
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This guy is an outright racist if this is really what he believes. If it's not, then he's just another duplicitous political hack. Either way, the media-fueled halo that surrounds him is certain to dim as people realize he brings nothing new or valuable to America's political discourse. Pathetic.

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The link to the 1st quote comes up not found at the Baltimore
Sun due most likely to it being archived. A little digging on their
site should find it.
The link to the 2nd quote - http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov06/0,4670,Tennessee...



This LINK WORKS the first one dos not.

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov06/0,4670,TennesseeSenate,00.html

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[AX10]

1. Interesting.

The Hypocrit that he is!

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

2. I'm searching AP and other sites to check this. Its easy to show half is true.

[countingbluecars]

3. A democrat urging voters

to vote for the democratic candidates. Oh the horror!

[Capn Sunshine]

5. I too am shocked

not by the post, but by the fact this cheese weasel disruptor is still here posting.

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

15. I can verify this part with the link.

The nation's only black senator, Barack Obama, D-Ill., asked voters at two black churches and at a Nashville rally to elect Ford, a Democrat who is trying to become the first black senator from the South in more than 100 years.

"I know that all of you are going to work the next couple of days to make sure it happens, because I'm feeling lonely in Washington,"Obama said at the Mt. Zion Baptist Church."I need my dear friend to join me."
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov06/0,4670,TennesseeSenate,00.html


Thats using race in a way.

[Sapphocrat]

9. The horror is...

...trying to convince LGBT voters that Obama's really in our corner, when he props up virulently anti-gay fuckwads like Harold Ford, Jr.

[Iceburg]

34. Gosh he really does have a bad track record with the GLBT community

[zabet]

4. Getting not found on the first quote but,

the second quote seems to be
more damaging, even if it is
not framed by the first.

[Sapphocrat]

6. I forgot all about Ford.

That was something that pissed me off royally about Obama: backing that gay-hating asswipe Harold Ford, Jr., who is less worthy of the "D" after his name than Joe Lieberman.

Anybody besides me remember how beholden Ford is to the DLC?

Yeah, Obama's a real progressive, all right. :sarcasm:

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

8. It appears theres an underlying use of race, but nothing to damaging here.

Yeah its a bit out of "character"

[Sapphocrat]

14. You see me skipping over the race question completely...

...as I don't want to get sucked into that "Racist!" trap by Obama supporters. (Been there, done that, got the scars to show for it.)

Whatever Obama's reason -- party "unity" or otherwise -- for backing Ford, it trumped principle.

Too bad many Obama supporters will refuse to recognize yet another incident in this long, highly-predictable pattern of behavior.

[maddiejoan]

13. Isn't Ford

The head of the DLC at this point? Or in the wings?

[Sapphocrat]

17. Ding! Ding! Ding!

Current DLC chairman. Which blows all to hell the "Obama is free of DLC strings" argument.

Now, mind you, President Clinton himself once praised Ford up one side and down the other, too -- so expect to see a bunch of crap-flinging about that... as if attacking Bill somehow excuses Obama.

But I expect you're used to that tactic by now. ;)

[countingbluecars]

30. To be fair,

the Clintons also campaigned for Ford.

[jackson_dem]

39. The Clintons don't hide their DLC beliefs

[Sapphocrat]

46. I said that myself in post 17.

To be fair, can you defend Obama for backing Ford without attacking the Clintons, or anyone else?

"They did it too!" doesn't excuse Obama. Don't you agree?

[DB1]

7. Sounds like he wanted 2 dems to win.

either way YOU will hate him tomorrow as much as you did yesterday. While you are here posting your anti-dem bs I will be out voting.... for Obama.

[izzybeans]

10. GoP bloggers? race card? speaking to black people makes a black man racist?

troll? Yep.

[NorthernSpy]

22. blacks are not allowed to gather, 'cuz that's racist!

They must maintain a 300' separation from each other at all times, and they must only vote/campaign for candidates of other races. Because if blacks ever come together, and support each other even one time, that's just racist, and it makes me SO MAD!!!11!

[countingbluecars]

23. It seems to me

that the author of the article is the racist.

[ecstatic]

11. What is your beef with the nation's *ONLY* black senator?

I'm curious.

[Hieronymus]

12. There are many women who will vote for Hillary simply because .....

she's a woman.

[NMMNG]

43. And that's just as bad

As are any calls to vote for her just because she's a woman.

Your point is?

[NMMNG]

16. Here's an MSNBC link to your second quote

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15582056/

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

18. DLC ties, pointing to race, Obama is nailed here not badly but it is dissapointing.

[NorthernSpy]

19. um, where's the "racism"?

He lobbied a black audience to vote for a white Democrat over a black Republican.

Then he lobbied a black audience to vote for a black Democrat over a white Republican, saying that the Democrat was his friend.

He didn't say that the candidates' respective racial origins were the reason to vote for or against them.


How exactly were whites victimized by any of this?


I'm sorry, but your post is possibly the most retarded attempt at commentary seen here yet today. And that's saying something.

[Name removed]

20. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Sapphocrat]

21. It should bother you...

...to share the same party affiliation with douchebags like Harold Ford, Jr.

[NorthernSpy]

24. nice how you chimed right in on the OP's race-baiting...

Which is, of course, the issue in font of us at the moment.

[Sapphocrat]

27. Nice how you turned this into a race issue. Again.

My complaint with Harold Ford, Jr., has to do with Harold Ford, Jr., the gay-hater, not Harold Ford, Jr., the black man. He is one of the nation's staunchest backers of the now-defunct Federal Marriage Amendment, as well as the constitutional amendment to ban marriage equality in his own state.

If Ford were white, he would be no more and no less a douchebag.

It's pathetic that you turned it into a racial issue. But it's typical.

Shall I ask you now why you hate gay people?

[NMMNG]

29. Remember,

You aren't allowed to criticize Obama (in particular) or any other black people here for any reason or it's racism. That's what DU has become.

[NorthernSpy]

33. well, you aren't allowed to call them "dogshit"...

Some people recently got banned for doing just that.

[Sapphocrat]

36. How dare you attempt to insinuate that BTFS had anything to do...

...with that vile "dogshit" fiasco?

Rhetorical question. Just another cheap, empty, desperate shot. You can't defend against the Harold Ford issue, so you resort to this. Sickening.

[NorthernSpy]

49. I needn't insinuate any such thing...

BTFS's invidious little spitball (poor us -- you know we just can't ever criticize any blacks here, or else) was shitty enough in its own right without me having to insinuate anything.

[NMMNG]

37. What the fuck are you talking about?

I do hope you aren't attempting to call me a racist or imply that I would do such a thing because if so you are way off base. Get a fucking clue, dear.

[NorthernSpy]

47. "You aren't allowed to criticize Obama(in particular) or any other black people here for any reason"

You wrote:

You aren't allowed to criticize Obama (in particular) or any other black people here for any reason or it's racism. That's what DU has become.You aren't allowed to criticize Obama (in particular) or any other black people here for any reason or it's racism. That's what DU has become.


Yeah, poor you.


:eyes:


Aw, get a clue. Blacks are subject to enormous scrutiny, here and everywhere else in society.

Sometimes, that scrutiny becomes so hostile that some people -- whether black or not -- start to object.

This is one of those times.


The "dogshit" incident was just one particularly vivid example of the fact that blacks do encounter real racial hostility at DU. They are hardly treated as beyond critique here, despite your invidious whining to the contrary.

[NMMNG]

50. I'm just referencing the fact that too many people here

seem to be screaming "racism" every time that any time a black person--Obama in particular--is criticized, it's because they are black. Take Harold Ford Jr. for example. You automatically assumed Sapphocrat was criticizing him because he's black when Sapph was criticizing him because he's a raving homophobe.

And if you think blacks have it bad (which they do) just look at what we LGBTs have to deal with here. We're subjected to crude jokes, told to STFU about our needs and desires lest we "make the Dems lose the election", we've actually been blamed for making the Dems lose the election more than once, we're told that our anger over the most hideous offenses is "faux outrage", and more. Then we have people telling us we need to just deal with the fact that we don't have same-sex marriage, hate-crimes protection, ENDA and the like because "there's just not enough of you to matter". There's just as many of us as there are of blacks, but to the (straight) black person who said that I guess we just didn't matter. :shrug:

[NorthernSpy]

53. yeah, keep spinning...

Take Harold Ford Jr. for example. You automatically assumed Sapphocrat was criticizing him because he's black when Sapph was criticizing him because he's a raving homophobe.

Bull! I did no such thing. That's pure invention on your part.

What I said was that Sapphocrat's reply to the OP contained no hint of objection to the OP's race-baiting (which was a nasty little cut-n-paste job from a right-wing site, no less).

And if you think blacks have it bad (which they do) just look at what we LGBTs have to deal with here. We're subjected to crude jokes, told to STFU about our needs and desires lest we "make the Dems lose the election", we've actually been blamed for making the Dems lose the election more than once, we're told that our anger over the most hideous offenses is "faux outrage", and more. Then we have people telling us we need to just deal with the fact that we don't have same-sex marriage, hate-crimes protection, ENDA and the like because "there's just not enough of you to matter". There's just as many of us as there are of blacks, but to the (straight) black person who said that I guess we just didn't matter.

Which straight black person are you referring to?

[NMMNG]

55. I'm not spinning

Take Harold Ford Jr. for example. You automatically assumed Sapphocrat was criticizing him because he's black when Sapph was criticizing him because he's a raving homophobe.

Bull! I did no such thing. That's pure invention on your part.

What I said was that Sapphocrat's reply to the OP contained no hint of objection to the OP's race-baiting (which was a nasty little cut-n-paste job from a right-wing site, no less).

Here is your reply to Sapphocrat:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4491398#4491999

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24. nice how you chimed right in on the OP's race-baiting...

That looks like an accusation of racism to me. Nowhere did you say anything that's in your reply to me here. Furthermore, not only do threads veer off topic all the time here, but when did you become thread police to make stay on topic?

And if you think blacks have it bad (which they do) just look at what we LGBTs have to deal with here. We're subjected to crude jokes, told to STFU about our needs and desires lest we "make the Dems lose the election", we've actually been blamed for making the Dems lose the election more than once, we're told that our anger over the most hideous offenses is "faux outrage", and more. Then we have people telling us we need to just deal with the fact that we don't have same-sex marriage, hate-crimes protection, ENDA and the like because "there's just not enough of you to matter". There's just as many of us as there are of blacks, but to the (straight) black person who said that I guess we just didn't matter.



Which straight black person are you referring to?

That would be this one, who was kind enough to tell me that it's perfectly OK for Obama to throw LGBTs under the bus to get the Black Evangelical vote because, you know, it's just practical matter of numbers and we just don't count enough.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4194655#4205397

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41. Black evangelicals are more important to the party than gays

It comes down to arithmetic, unfortunately. If you want to win black votes, you need to be in good shape with the black evangelical community. There really isn't any other way. Black preachers could be viewed as the superdelegates of the black community.

If you're a candidate and you had to choose, which way would you go?

*The people making the KKK comparisons are wackos. You won't have any success talking them out of it.

Funny how people always forget about the black and/or Christian LGBTs when they're throwing us under the bus for those precious, precious votes. It's always a matter of "us or them" to those people.

















Which is, of course, the issue in font of us at the moment.

[Sapphocrat]

44. As witnessed by the poster I just put on ignore.

If it can be twisted, corrupted, reshaped, reframed, and fucked over beyond all recognizable condition into a baseless cry of "racism!" it will be, every time.

[NMMNG]

56. I'm seeing plenty of that lately

Sorry, but if I see bad behavior or something else I don't approve of I'm going to call it out no matter what color the person's skin is. That doesn't make it racism.

[NorthernSpy]

32. Why the hell don't you ask the OP why he decided to try a little race-baiting?

He kicked off this thread by posting up some racial-resentment screed from a rightwing site and your reply voiced not one damn word of objection.

[Sapphocrat]

40. Read my post upthread.

I am skipping over the entire race issue BECAUSE of traps like yours.

Do I object to racism? Yes.

Do I want to give you the opportunity to get me off-track from the part of the OP that interests me -- the Harold Ford issue? No.

YOU want to argue race-baiting with the OP, go for it. Just don't start that crap with me, or imply that I'm a racist.

God, your tactics are so transparent. So desperate. So old. So revolting.

Thanks for reminding me to put you on ignore. You won't be able to suck me in again.

P.S. Have fun defending Obama against the Harold Ford issue. Hell, have fun defending Harold Ford. Bye!

[woolldog]

38. I don't know much about Harold Ford.

Why was my post deleted, btw?

[Sapphocrat]

42. In short, Harold Ford...

...is one of those "conservative Democrats" who are so conservative, they'd really be better served by the Republican Party. Ford himself is so anti-gay, he can't even be called a Libertarian. Seriously, read up on him -- he's a pox upon the party.

I don't know, but I'd bet money your post was deleted because you called the OP a douchebag.

[sandnsea]

25. I bet the 3rd black senator in 100 years

does feel a bit lonely in DC at times. It's actually a national disgrace that doesn't get near enough attention.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

26. Now that he's got so many of us Caucasians in the cult it shouldn't be necessary. nt

[blogslut]

28. You cite Fox and GOPBloggers?

astounding

[EffieBlack]

31. WAAAAHHH!! Somebody might vote for Obama because of something he has that *I* don't have!!!

It's fine and dandy for John Edwards to ask voters to vote for him because he's a Southerner, or for Hillary to ask voters to vote for her because she's a woman.

But let their be one shadow of a whisp of a hint of a possibiity that Obama might even suggest that black voters could include the fact that he's black as one of the factors they're considering in choosing a candidate and all hell breaks loose.

And I think I know why. White men have had a lock on this thing for so long many of them don't even notice what a built in advantage their skin color is. And they don't mind talking until they're blue in the face about Obama's race - when they see it as an IMPEDIMENT. They poll about it, discuss it ad nauseum, ask voters about it, draw maps showing it, and analyze every aspect of every primary based upon it. And that's ok, of course.

But for the first time, they're realizing that, far from being an impediment, Obama's race might actually be seen as a positive thing by some voters and, even worse, it's something that these white men don't have and will never get, and suddenly they change the rules and try to get all colorblind on our asses.

Talk about pathetic.

[jackson_dem]

41. What a racist post

:puke:

The only folks I see here arguing the "merits" of voting based on race are all supporters of the "unity" candidate.

[EffieBlack]

45. I knew it was only a matter of time before you popped up to defend the honor of the white men

who are so terribly victimized by the likes of us who have the temerity to point out, not only the overwhelming and unnatural advantage they have enjoyed, protected and fought for over the centuries - and which many still twist themselves into knots trying to protect today - but also that white voters have been voting for white candidates for all sorts of reasons completely unrelated to the "merit" you now insist is the only criteria that must be used now that we have a strong black candidate who has, to date, beaten the snot out of every other white candidate but one and now stands this close to being the President of the United States.

This must drive you crazy, but you guys just have to get used to not having the whole pie to yourselves.

[jackson_dem]

51. I'm not white. I'm just not a racist. After all I am a progressive Democrat

And the racism of some Obama supporters here is disgusting. Obama is running as a unifier yet only his supporters say people should vote for him based on race. Most don't but some do. I haven't seen any Hillary or Edwards supporter say the same thing.

[cooolandrew]

35. Ooops I just put this thread on hidden. =)

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

48. He urges voters NOT to vote along racial lines and he's a racist?

He campaigns on behalf of a Senatorial candidate who happens to be black and he's a racist? You mean that joking aside about being lonely in Washington is racist? Is that really all you have? Absolutely pathetic.

[AlCzervik]

52. why is this bullshit race baiting from the gop even more poorly said by the op allowed

to to stand?

[kdpeters]

54. Way to go race-baiter. Play that race card.

Here, you left out the first line of your post.

"I'm not a racist, BUT ...."

[countingbluecars]

57. I am happy to see this poster

had been tomb-stoned.