It is a shameful and fascist when Dems want to disenfranchise voters in order to win an election.

[Perky]

If people were informed by the pARTY, THE STATE, THE COUNTY AND THE MEDIA AND ON THE BALLOT THAT THEY WERE NOT VOTING TO OFFICIALLY SEND DELEGATES TO DENVER, IT IS A FRAUD TO CHANGE THE RULES NOW.

It is shameful and contemptible to attempt to change the rules by advocating making those votes count when people were told that they would not count.

Yes it is that simple.

By advocating this path you are advocating disenfranchisement of thousands who thought it was nothing more than a straw poll.

You have been told your candidate is polarizing. This will be the last straw if Obama leads in the delegate count and their is an attempt t change the outcome, based on an election that was not suppose to have any bearing on the selection process.

You are inviting myriads of lawsuits.

You are seeking for a war at the convention.

You are willing to put party unity in the dumpster.

You are willing to start a war that will damage the party in the current election cycle and perhaps for a generation to come.

It is not anyone's fault, but those who advocate changing the rules after the fact.

Are you really willing to do that to make your candidate the winner? How dare you muse about Obama having a cult like following. What you advocate is worthy of Mussolini.



It is shameful...it is despicable and those who fight for the seating of the delegation based on the January 29th outcome.. do great harm to the party and the nation


You want to be in Iraq doe 100 years. That is what you will get if you insists on this course of action....

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

1. The OP doesn't make sense, yet it got an instant rec.

How can one do that? I mean, if one can post something like this and have it instantly rec'd, there's got to be a secret to doing so.

An enigma wrapped in a conundrum, for sure.

[UALRBSofL]

2. The OP is somewhat confused

I am so sure DU voters will change there mind based on what someone posts on DU.

[Perky]

3. Confused about what Comrade?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

4. I agree. Things will get ugly if they change the rules in mid-game. nt

[seafan]

5. Yes, this is about the need to hold a Florida caucus to select legitimate delegates.

See this thread.


And it has a large number of Florida voters enraged over it.


We Floridians were told last August that it was going to be just "a beauty contest."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/25/AR2007082500275.html?hpid=topnews">DNC Strips Florida Of 2008 Delegates

No Convention Slots Unless Later Primary Is Set

By Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, August 26, 2007; Page A01

The Democratic National Committee sought to seize control of its unraveling nominating process yesterday, rejecting pleas from state party leaders and cracking down on Florida for scheduling a Jan. 29 presidential primary.
The DNC's rules and bylaws committee, which enforces party rules, voted yesterday morning to strip Florida of all its delegates to the 2008 Democratic National Convention in Denver -- the harshest penalty at its disposal.

The penalty will not take effect for 30 days, and rules committee members urged officials from the nation's fourth-most-populous state to use the time to schedule a later statewide caucus and thus regain its delegates.

.....

Asked what Hillary Rodham Clinton's plans are for the state, Harold Ickes, a DNC member and adviser to the New York senator, said, "I don't think anyone's going to answer that question, or cross that bridge, until we see what happens in the next 30 days."
Bill Burton, a spokesman for Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), said, "Hopefully, in the next 30 days, Florida and the DNC can reach agreement so Florida's delegates can contribute to the nomination contest."

Florida's state party chair, Karen L. Thurman, showed no signs of backing down yesterday. The former congresswoman said she will consult with state Democrats but added that she expects all the presidential candidates to ignore the national party's edict and campaign vigorously in advance of the Sunshine State's primary.
"Whether you get a delegate or don't get a delegate, a vote is a vote," a defiant Thurman said. "That is what Floridians are going to say is important."

The DNC rules stipulate that states that have not been granted a special waiver must schedule presidential nominating contests after Feb. 5.

.....

Though the DNC's action was well-telegraphed, it came after emotional pleas from state party leaders, who blamed the initial selection of the date on Republicans who control the legislature. Thurman said she and her staff spent "countless hours" trying to persuade the legislature to pick another date.

.....

Under the caucus alternative proposed yesterday, voters could still go to the polls on Jan. 29 to express their preferences for a presidential nominee, but the results would be ceremonial, much like the results of the Republican straw poll held in Ames, Iowa, this month.

"It's essentially a beauty contest. . . . There are no delegates now," said Alexis Herman, co-chair of the rules committee.

Thurman and other state leaders said there are several problems with the caucus suggestion.
She said a caucus could cost the state party as much as $8 million -- money she said the party and its benefactors do not have. She said a caucus in a state the size of Florida would be impractical and would have the effect of allowing far fewer people to participate.
State party officials also said they prefer to keep the official voting on Jan. 29 because a property tax initiative they hope to defeat will be on the ballot that day. Turning the Democratic presidential primary into a meaningless event would probably mean lower turnout among the party's faithful and make it harder to defeat the initiative, they said.

"Defeating a horrible referendum on Jan. 29 . . . is a top priority for every constituent group I am aware of," said Terrie Brady, a DNC member and former chair of the Florida state party.

.....

And that very important, but damaging Property Tax Amendment referendum on the ballot? It passed. And that was likely due to the fact that many voters stayed home because they already knew their vote in the Democratic primary on that same day was worthless.


So, thanks, Ms. Karen Thurman and Florida Democratic Party leaders. You turned Florida's Democratic primary into a meaningless event AND we couldn't defeat the Tax Referendum. A two-fer.

You are utter fools.

[DaLittle Kitty]

6. YES Thurman And Her "Lot" Are Not Only FOOLs, But Criminals By ANY Measure...

Karen Go Have Anotehr Drink! Hic*%&#$@ It's ALL'Bout da $money... errr Al Cardenas former Repub Party head in Fla... monthly $$$ deposits.... to Thurman's account... and Dems expect to win Florida? :crazy:

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

7. You had me at "fascist"

:hi: