Donna Brazile has INTEGRITY!

[calteacherguy]

"If 795 of my colleagues decide this election, I will quit the Democratic Party. I feel very strongly about this," Donna Brazile told CNN this week. Brazile, who managed Al Gore's presidential campaign in 2000, is herself a super delegate.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4261986&page=1

Absolutely. If the Superdelgates go against the popular will of the people I will leave the Democratic Party and write in Obama's name as the nominee of the People. It would be the only honorable thing to do!

[maddiejoan]

1. So

Do you believe that Kennedy and Kerry should vote for Hillary then?

Cos --ya know --their constituents seem to want that and stuff.

[calteacherguy]

2. If the superdelegates go against the will of the people as expressed in the popular vote

I will leave the Democratic Party, register independent, and write in Obama's name in the general.

[maddiejoan]

4. So you agree

Kennedy and Kerry should swing their votes to Hillary?

[calteacherguy]

5. The superdelegates ALL need to support the will of the people

and by that I mean the NATIONAL popular vote total.

[jackson_dem]

8. So the SD's should support Hillary now since she's gotten about 300,000 more votes?

[calteacherguy]

9. Crunch time comes at the convention.

If Hillary has the most popular votes at convention time, then the Supers should support her. Absolutely.

[cascadiance]

46. Michigan and Florida don't count unless we have a "do over" there...

[jackson_dem]

56. 1 million folks who voted for Hillary when Obama was on the ballot in Fl don't matter?

How do we win in November without Florida and Michigan? Michigan doesn't count in the vote total since no one else was on the ballot but Floridians had an opportunity to express their preference and Hillary beat Obama by 300,000 and she added about 80,000 to her margin on Super Tuesday.

[cascadiance]

61. Because the other candidates followed through on their commitments not to campaign there!

You can't change the rules in the middle of the game! Otherwise it isn't a fair contest. A do-over where everyone's on the same page would be more fair. And then these states' citizens would also have a voice in the selection process.

As others have noted, many people didn't vote who might have otherwise voted because their candidates wasn't officially part of the process, so the vote breakdown is a complete false picture of what people want from those states. If there's a choice between misrepresentation and no representation, then no representation would be better.

If there's an option to do fair representation (a later do-over) then that would be preferable to the other two options. The state parties, which royally f'd up when they put their voters' representation at risk by trying to violate the rules of the game, should make a special effort to fix this problem.

[amborin]

54. unless we change the rules and redefine "popular vote" if Hillary has it in the traditional sense

[cali]

64. lol, and then what? They should change their votes again at the end of today?

The OP is talking about when the final tally from all the primaries is toted up. duh.

[maddiejoan]

13. Typical

BS answer.

[mondo joe]

19. Why should the superdelegates go for the national vote unlike the elected delegates?

Does Ted Kennedy represent Texas?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

25. there shouldn't be any super delegates except for smoke filled rooms n/t

[MyNameGoesHere]

67. we have a national primary now? n/t

[mondo joe]

6. You'll be letting Kerry and Kennedy know you expect them to vote for Clinton then?

?

[calteacherguy]

12. If she has the most popular votes nationally

and neither has enough won delegates to win, yes. Absolutely.

[mondo joe]

18. Why nationally? Why not with the majority of their state?

Are the delegates from their state or somewhere else?

[calteacherguy]

20. The will of the people must be respected.

The outcome must be to respect the will of the people, as reflected in popular votes.

Bottom line, no exception.

[mondo joe]

21. Why a different rule for elected and super delegates? Don't they represent their state?

[calteacherguy]

30. Look: this is simple.

Whoever has the most popular votes will be our nominee, or I will leave the party.

Got it?

Edit: And as much as it would pain me, if Obama were rewarded the nomination in a circumstance were Clinton had the most popular votes, I would refrain from voting in the General Election for Obama. I could not support such a process with any degree of self-respect.

[mondo joe]

34. I understand what you're saying. What I don't understand is the double standard

for delegates.

Thanks.

[cali]

65. that's silly. I'll vote for Hillary if she's the nom no matter what

but the OP and Brazile have a point. As for state delegates- do you really want to see John Lewis have to back Obama now? Or Kennedy have to back Hillary? We should wait and see how the popular vote plays out.

[sandnsea]

14. They're honorable men

We don't have to let them know. Bill, otoh, would never do the honorable thing and vote for Obama.

[maddiejoan]

17. I think he's off the hook

Arkansas and NY both went for Hillary

[sandnsea]

23. Bill isn't an elected official

in either state. He's just a party elder, like Gore and Carter. And besides, I think ALL the super-delegates should vote for the final winner, not just the winner of their own state.

[maddiejoan]

26. I'm sure

you'll change your mind on that after Hillary wins the popular vote. (which BTW she is already winning)

[sandnsea]

28. You would be wrong

Hillary's campaign is the one that hands out fliers that say "it isn't illegal unless they tell you". That's the crap YOU support.

[maddiejoan]

31. I don't agree with your premise.

and certainly don't think you have a call to get all nasty with me.

[sandnsea]

37. Saying you support Hillary's campaign

is getting nasty with you??? That's a peculiar reaction.

And what premise do you disagree with, that her campaign handed out fliers that promoted unethical electioneering? You can't just choose to disagree with something that really happened.

[maddiejoan]

40. Thank you for reminding me

to put you on ignore.

Congratulations. You are my first.

[Windy]

55. Oh I don't know... you and yours are going to cause this country many more years of total chaos if

Hillary wins the nom... she won't win the general and it will be an UGLY election process.

If by some chance she eeks out a win, it will mean 4 more years of devisive politics in washington getting nothing done.

Frankly, if she is the nominee, we could lose a lot of seats in congress because the repubs will be out in force. Hillary will ignite and unify the repubs in a feeding frenzy. Like it or not, and as irrational as it may be, they despise her and her husband. They will rally around and push whoever is running against her and also any other democrat who may be running...

Jesus, wake up!

[UALRBSofL]

62. Can you provide evidence to your accusations

or is this all rhetoric due to your Obama bias?

[mondo joe]

36. I agree that they are honorable. I'm not so sure about some of the people now

so concerned.

[RoyGBiv]

29. So you don't support the Democratic Party?

Just askin ... ya know, your comment in the now disappeared thread about how you would work to destroy the Democratic Party just has a sour ring.

[cascadiance]

49. If the Democratic party doesn't support the people, then why should we support the party?

[RoyGBiv]

50. Silly question ...

... and not at all relevant to the topic.

If you think the Democratic party doesn't support "the people" then you have no place here. It's really pretty simple.

[cascadiance]

60. If the super delegates go AGAINST the popular vote of the people then YES, it IS f'in' relevant!

Having the super delegates decide who represents the party AGAINST the popular vote of the people is like the politburo overriding what the people want. Being a Republic doesn't mean that we have representatives ALSO vote for us as well as do other tasks for us.

[RoyGBiv]

76. When did you start paying attention to politics?

Seriously.

The ignorance displayed by this absurd outrage about superdelgates would be laughable if it weren't such an indicator of the ignorance of our party members.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

39. the Clintons will do anything to get elected, including damage the democratic party n/t

[guruoo]

44. If this is about integrity, then why didn't Brazille (and you) raise this issue before

the primaries?

[sandnsea]

45. Nobody knew Hillary would steal MI & FL

Or that the election would end up so closely tied.

[guruoo]

48. !

:rofl:

[sandnsea]

10. If Hillary is the choice in June

They should vote for her. I would bet Hillary's supporters will concoct 500 reasons why the opposite is true, the way they have every other time she's pulled unethical election shenanigans.

[johnnydrama]

59. why should

100% of Massachusett's senator's vote for Hillary, when 100% of Massachusetts didn't vote for Hillary?

Seems out of wack.

Split them up like the delegates are split up. If there are 2 delegates, the candidate has to win 64% of the vote to get both. Otherwise they are split.

Candidates that won more than 63% of the popular vote of the state should get both senator's vote.

[maddiejoan]

73. I'm not the one

suggesting that all SD's simply vote for whoever wins the majority of popular votes

[BenDavid]

77. Ms. Brazile, I say, So leave, already - who's asking you to stay?

CNN might miss your Obama-groveling, but nobody will miss your whining.

Personally, on the superdelegates, I find Brazile's and Obama's "outrage" hollow, disgusting, and very revealing. Both knew the rules going in. obama's camp has blasted and mocked Clinton for wanting the delegates from MI and FL seated, using just that rationale, although it's obvious that if they had voted for him, he'd do exactly the same thing and his followers would be chanting about "democracy" all the way.

Did obama complain about the system up front, or is it (as it seems) only when he thinks the super-delegates will help her? Easy answer.

Obama is just an old-style politician in a pretty package (like the Kennedys were). Even with the media on his side, he may have trouble maintaining his facade much longer.

[mitchtv]

3. Donna is a Democrat?

couldda fooled me

[Rowdyboy]

11. Me too. Last I heard she was praising Bush to high heaven because he "understood"

her families suffering in New Orleans. Give me an effing break. Donna would serve the Democratic party best by going to work for the Republicans.

That said, the superdelegates should be ditched. It was a flawed concept and has come back to bite us in the butt.

[UALRBSofL]

68. It's not Bush it was Rove she's friends with

Or so I heard.

[Rowdyboy]

69. Yeah. I read she was buddies with KKKarl but she was also on CNN

several years ago praising Bush for coming to NO and speaking to her family PERSONALLY. She was rhapsodic about his leadership in time of crisis. Made me want to puke.

[denem]

7. You forgot your "I am going to Destroy the Democratic Party" bit

on this thread. So many Republicans have tried. None have succeeded.

[Bluerthanblue]

15. no- I think you may have not recognized that the "party" will have

abandoned its people.
In favor of corporate leadership.

peace~

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[denem]

22. Oh for heaven's sake, read some history of Democratic Conventions

I am an ex-pat Australian but even I was aware of the 1968 convention riots before I got to the States. Just how old are you. I hope you don't teach civics.

[calteacherguy]

32. History is not my concern in this case. Integrity is. nt

[RoyGBiv]

57. This kind of integrity?

"One person, one vote? Forget about it. Some votes are worth more than others. You have to know the rules," said Donna Brazile , the campaign manager of Al Gore in the 2000 presidential race and a Washington, D.C., superdelegate. Star-Ledger, The (Newark, NJ) - January 30, 2008

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4493920&mesg_id=4493920

[RoyGBiv]

33. You don't understand the party system ...

... do ya?

[JVS]

24. I'm not a big fan of hers, but what she says is common sense.

Super-delegates are free to do whatever they want, but if they end up over-riding elected delegate the PR fallout is going to be a disaster. I expect that a number of the SDs will base their support on the voting.

[pampango]

66. Exactly. And that applies both ways. If Hillary leads in elected delegates,

she has the moral right to the nomination. Likewise Obama.

Otherwise, it would be a PR disaster and half our party would feel like they were cheated by the "establishment" of the party.

[JVS]

71. And the SDs know this collectively.

Sure, some SDs are going to be gung-ho for one candidate or the other, but for the most part the remaining ones will look around and place themselves in such a way that they don't overturn the boat. The real question is whether they will pull a Mondale-1984 where they all pile on to the candidate with a slight lead in order to make the party look really unified, or if they remain split like the electorate.

[ursi]

27. "Obama visited Nebraska this week, and now Powers is supporting him."

[Malikshah]

35. Donna Brazile? Integrity?

Really? Wow. Someone's been asleep for the last 8 years.

Don't let the door hit you in the butt, Donna Brazile.

[Neshanic]

38. I am surprised too. Who woulda thunk. Did she just discover this item?

[guruoo]

41. "...the Obama and Clinton campaigns have been actively wooing super delegates."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4261986&page=1

[durrrty libby]

42. Sadly you have no integrity. Your locked thread confirmed

what a small minded clown you are

[elixir]

43. I'm wondering why people feel they need to leave the democratic party if their candidate loses...

I will be voting for the democratic nominee in November, whoever it may be. I hope other DUers will do the same.

I'm curious, have we ever faced this dilemma before re nominations coming down to superdelegates?

[RoyGBiv]

47. Some people ...

... never grow out of that "taking my ball and going home" stage.

[guruoo]

52. I'll vote Dem no matter what the children's table at DU has

to say.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

51. Donna Brazile is good friends with Karl Rove.......and she lost Gore the election......

Your "friendship" with Karl Rove made an interesting story last week. What do you think he does that Democrats should emulate? Donna Brazile: Karl is a very ...
discuss.washingtonpost.com/zforum/03/sp_politics_brazile022403.htm


SHE LOST GORE THE ELECTION!!!

Unlike some Democrats, Donna Brazile, Al Gore's campaign manager, tends to agree. "I've played with them all: Lee Atwater, Karl Rove, Ed Gillespie," she ...
www.huffingtonpost.com/al-bardach/ken-mehlman-the-presiden_b_14123.html

Who does he sell Karl Rove & Co to? He sells the company Todd Olsen, ...... but quite drinking the koolaide put out by hacks like Donna Brazile, ...
www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/2/10177/11404

www.democrats.org/a/2005/08/acvr_report_rid.php

THERE is much more

[proud patriot]

53. she was buddy buddy trying to learn from him

Yeah Right :eyes:

[Major Hogwash]

58. What the hell?!! This isn't right! So voting IS just a "going through the motions" thing, huh?

This is really bad news if they think this is going to work.

[Honeycombe8]

63. Way to go, Donna! Regardless of who anyone supports, this is the only way...

to feel about the superdelegates.

[Evergreen Emerald]

70. The will of the people. Based on the media's distortions?

Donna B. showed herself to be the Obama Shill when she helped him win SC by shouting "racism" from the rooftops.

[Tellurian]

79. And worse Brazile is threatening "trouble"... if Obama does not get the nom..

I hope she is not stirring the pot trying to instigate racial violence..as part of her threat..

That will be the quickest way for Bush to declare Martial Law and suspend elections indefinitely.

[Carrieyazel]

72. Too bad Donna didn't have any political SAVVY back in 2000

She definitely bears her share of the blame for the 2000 debacle and the Shrubbers snatching the White House away. We are still paying for it to this day.

Donna, why didn't you at least commission someone to dig up dirt on Shrub and find the hidden DUI way before November????

[MonkeyFunk]

74. the mental gymnastics people go through here

to justify their ridiculous beliefs are truly astounding.

[wintersoulja]

75. no shit

that and the simpleminded uber partisan loyalists and their media driven to distraction outlooks pretty much keep it dumb and dumber.
Whats good for Wal-Mart, is good for America!
Peace is not an option.

[kid a]

78. yep