MSNBC Suspends Liberal Icon Schuster Instead of Matthews to Make Hillary Look Like a Villian

[McCamy Taylor]

..and it is working.

If MSNBC was really sorry for all the sexism that we have been seeing there over the course of this presidential campaign, they would have suspended Tweety's misogynistic butt when they got the complaint proving that he has called her every sexist name in the book and that he had asserted she was only in politics, because of her husband's affairs and all the rest. However, Chris Matthews was allowed to make an on air smirky apology---and then go right back to making more anti-Hillary remarks. In the days since then, he may not have called her a "she-Devil" but he has accused her of being manipulative, dirty, lying, scheming and of single handedly starting the Iraq War. Any political win she has is a "loss". His bias could not be more obvious if he tattooed Hillary is a Bitch on his forehead.

But did I mention that Tweety utters some variation of John McCain is a maverick each and every day? And that ingratiates him with the bosses at GE who must please the Big Bosses at the Pentagon.

So, when David Schuster, a reporter who is much loved by liberals and hated by conservatives and who has probably been hanging around woman-hating Tweety too long used the phrase 'pimped out' about Chelsea Clinton yesterday---and yes, that was sexist language. There is no doubt about it. He called her a tart.---He did not get away with simply making an apology like Tweety did for his serial sexual harassment of Hillary.

He got suspended

And now MSNBC can claim The mean old bitch Hillary MADE us

And a whole bunch of angry liberals, many of them Obama supporters can say That nasty, wicked scheming Hillary. We know that she does not have normal emotions like maternal love. She is just pretending to care about her daughter. And they can say. How dare Hillary hurt David Schuster??!! She isn't good enough to kiss the ground he walks on! He is a saint! She is a hussy! And they can say MSNBC has not choice. The Clinton Arkansas Mafia MADE them do it And then they can get really silly and start debating Racism is much more important than sexism. Why sexism is hardly a problem in America

And a whole bunch of women can go (in response) Well I never! and Are you listening to yourself! and This is exactly how it was in the 60s when the brothers in the civil rights movement used to expect us to put out in order to empower them. and !!!! and finally Now I remember why I joined that women's collective!

And here goes the Democratic Party, Divided and Conquered once again.

And all of the conservatives who have been nursing a grudge at Schuster ever since he made a fool of a certain Republican Congresswoman are smiling, because they know what this is really all about.

MSNBC has turned into a real piece of work lately. They are yanking our chain with this Schuster suspension. Unless they suspend Tweety, too, they are doing nothing for the women.

Write to MSNBC. Demand that Tweety be taken off the air. Give Rachel Maddow his show.

[Captain Hilts]

1. True. Matthews deserves it. Schuster doesn't. Check out MediaMatters.org on this. nt

[neutron]

3. Whoremouth Matthews should be on Fox

[neutron]

2. Matthews should be fired permanently.

[DJ13]

4. The villan in this is the Clinton campaign

They could have accepted the appology publicly as soon as it was given, but they insist on using this non-issue to keep claiming victimhood.

[McCamy Taylor]

5. So sorrrrrrrry they are stealing someone else's victimhood. Where should they mail it back?

:eyes:

Are we dealing with a major victimhood gap this election? Are we going to have to start importing victimhood from other countries to have enough to go around? I am not sure that I have enough to get me through the winter. Let's see. Woman. Disabled. Native American ancestry. Is that enough victimhood or should I change my sexual orientation? Can't get caught without enough victimhood.


Guys, you know when the last election was when the electorate chose the victim ? It was never.

Give it a rest.

[TheDeathadder]

6. Bill Burton, a spokesman for Obama,

called Shuster's comments "deplorable" and said they had no place in the political process.

[McCamy Taylor]

7. Solidarity!

:dem:

[spooky3]

22. The first two "apologies" weren't apologies

and one was accompanied with a falsehood.

http://mediamatters.org

The third time was the charm.

[comradebillyboy]

34. what a non-apology that was

good for them for fighting back at the very biased MSNBC coverage of Hillary and the gratuitous insult to Hillary's daughter. It would have been cowardly not to respond and demand a real apology for a real insult by a purported journalist who wants to be a tweety clone.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

8. typical Clintonian Victim Spin

This brings back memories of Billary constantly spinning themselves as victims.

We lived with 8 years of poor Clintons, meanwhile Dems lost congress thanks to Bill's inability
to keep his zipper closed.

[McCamy Taylor]

13. Richard Melon-Scaife is no imaginary creature. Ken Starr's leaky grand jury was REAL.

Dems lost Congress way before Monica ever happened.

Memories get confused sometimes, don't they?

[Medusa]

9. More like Hillary gets to play martyr again

if anything, this is exactly what the clintons wanted: free publicity (they're low on funds), to dominate the news cycle (again, free publicity), and to play the victim card again. Why I bet Hill can even work up a tear or two if asked about it on the campaign trail.

I'm no Shuster fan, he's wrong more often than he's right. Anyone remember him swearing Karl Rove was going to be indicted any moment? Yeah, well, that never happened. But I think he called this one the way he saw it and I thought the same thing. She can't talk to the media but she can call up super delegates and most especially celebs, a la the View gals on ABC to get them to TALK about her Mom on air, how manipulative is that? But God forbid someone asks her a question. She's 27 for God's sake. She's not a 12-year old girl anymore. But the Clintons play like 12-year olds. It's either their rules, or they take the football and spike someone over the head with it. Shuster got played. So did MSNBC. They should tell them to fuck off and I bet they'd come begging for the attention in gratitude.

[McCamy Taylor]

11. Are you from the planet where people like their daughter to be called "whore" on national TV?

[MH1]

17. He didn't call Chelsea a "whore".

It's a colloquial expression.

One he shouldn't have used but the Clintons are taking it too far, just like they always do.

It hurt Clinton when she piled on John Kerry in 2006 - he was going to be out of it anyway - but she had to go in for the overkill, and she pissed off a bunch of people who might have supported her. Now she is doing it again - instead of leaving it at Shuster effed up, the story now is that she is vindictive and playing victim. It will leave a bad taste about her for more people.

I sure hope she doesn't get the nomination. I am tired of this shit, and enough other people are that she's actually going to make it hard to win in November. (Yeah, piss on the media right before the presidential campaign. Good move!)

[McCamy Taylor]

36. "The story now is she is vindictive and playing victim". And how did that story get started?

MSNBC started it, when they did something blatantly unfair. They let Tweety, the serial sexist commentator keep his show even after he continued his attacks after a warning, and they suspended David Schuster for one comment. The public noticed that it was unfair---and now they are being told "Take it up with Hillary, the She-Devil. It is her fault, not ours."

Yeah. Right. If Hillary had any clout at MSNBC, Chris Matthews would have been out of there months ago.

These Big Lies do not start on their own. The corporate media nurtures them. Reporters repeat them over and over again until they sound real by repetition.

[MH1]

50. By the Clintons threatening to pull out of the debate

That Obama just agreed to.

Now she wants to debate only on her buddy Murdoch's Faux channel instead?

[Tarheel_Dem]

46. agreed...and here's hoping it backfires BIG TIME (eom)

:thumbsup:

[Medusa]

57. He wasn't calling Chelsea a whore

he was calling her parents PIMPS. Big difference.

[Tatiana]

10. Yep. This is exactly what I thought when I heard Schuster was suspended.

I still remember all his fantastic reporting during the Scooter Libby trial.

It's a shame that he got caught up in the crap that has been started and continually perpetuated by Tweety.

But I think MSNBC did this on purpose; progressive people will be outraged over losing one of the decent journalists on the network and blame Hillary. Journos will stick together in support of one of their own and... blame the Clintons.

Hillary could reap even worse media coverage of this as a result.

[ShortnFiery]

12. This has got to be, IMO, the most bat-shit-insane logic I've ever seen here at DU.

Wow! I'm in awe - and that doesn't happen often. :hippie: :smoke:

Hey, tell Mark Penn to cut the dose and ... don't drop the green acid man, it's poison. :crazy:

[McCamy Taylor]

14. "The questioner who sits so sly will never know how to reply" Blake

Since we have all seen much sillier theories here at DU, I am going to take it that you have not been posting on that account very long. Welcome. Enjoy your stay.

[ShortnFiery]

24. Sincerely, IMNSHO, this rationale is just BAT-SHIT-CRAZY - the most nutty to date.

:shrug:

[McCamy Taylor]

35. "Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric."

Bertrand Russell

The Pope called Galileo a heretic, too. And a year ago, when I said to watch out because the MSM was developing a Big Lie called "Edwards is a Phony" some people laughed and said I was imagining things. I trust my instincts. They have been proven to be on the money time and again year after year.

Curious about why it is so important to you that this thread be discredited that you resort to name calling without argument, even though name calling will not sway many minds. Care to elaborate? What is your stake?

[DURHAM D]

15. Thanks - good post.

We should (again) demand that Tweety be the one taken down.

[K Gardner]

16. McCamy.. I hear your frustration and you are obviously upset. I also know you

have huge issues with Tweety, and by god, SO DO I ! But step back for a second. First off, Shuster made a stupid thoughtless comment using language that had no place on television. The comment, however, was NOT directed at Chelsea and was NOT calling her "a tart". No, it was not. He was talking about the way the Clinton Campaign was using her to call delegates and ask for votes. IOW, referring to the Clintons, not to Chelsea. At any rate, that's not the major point I wanted to make :-)

We can all have differing opinions of what the Clintons are up to. Part is rightly outrage over the comment. But they got an apology.. FOUR of them to be exact. However, this now appears not to be enough. Shuster is suspended and lo and behold.. Clinton Inc now doesn't want to DEBATE (yes the "obama is a coward if he doesnt debate us" debates) on MSNBC now.

No reason to spread this insanity further. By all means, fire TWEETY.. I despise him ! But bring Shuster back and let the Clintons make do with their FOUR or FIVE apologies and a gallon of blood. Enough is enough.

We wondered today what the "word" was going to be for tomorrow. Its evidently either "Shuster" or "Pity" or "Outrage".

MSNBC needs an overhaul. About that you are right. But so does the Clinton Campaign. THEY are the ones pulling the strings here.

[McCamy Taylor]

28. Exactly right! Bring Schuster back. His apology was enough. Fire Tweety for serial sexist

bs.

Sorry if my first post was not clear enough.

I do not think that Schuster meant to call Chelsea a tart. He probably did it unthinkingly, because he is not fully enlightened himself. In using a common, misogynistic term that really has no place in political discourse on serious news TV, Schuster offended women the same way that the BET founder who referred to Obama's youthful drug use offended African-Americans. Women are often stigmatized as prostitutes who get what they want with sex just as Blacks are often stigmatized as drug users. Each group has to overcome these stereotypes to be taken seriously, so when serious journalists promote these stereotypes they set the emancipation of women and Blacks back.

Neither man intended to offend, I believe, but both men can do better.

Tweety, on the other hand, means every hateful word he utters.

I am concerned that so many people here on DU seem to believe that women only pretend to be offended when a woman who is obviously not using sex to achieve a goal is described in that way. The implication is that women are just being coy or putting on airs and that women really do all use sex all the time to get what they want. This is a dangerous myth to throw around. It is only a short jump from here to "she was asking for it."

You only need to look at the statistics on rape and other violent crimes committed against women because they are women like spouse abuse to know that woman hating is alive and well in this country. These are the darker, uglier faces of what some would try to pass off as harmless on TV. Because the violence against women goes unreported or occurs at the hands of their partners or fathers or family members, people think that it is not as significant as the violence that occurs against members of the minority community.

Do not be fooled. Women are the most common victims of hate crimes in America--across all colors and religions and ethnic groups. Women have the greatest distance to go before they will be equal to men.

[K Gardner]

53. On this we agree.. see my post #52.. Shuster is a scapegoat here.

[susanr516]

55. That reply could be a great OP

Home is a very dangerous place for many women.

It is so depressing to realize that there is still a significant number of Americans who believe women are merely the "property" of some man. I am not chattel.

I was in high school during the women's rights movement of the 1960s. Forty years later, and we're still fighting the same battles. I have two (adult) daughters and I feel like nothing much has changed for them. Sad.

[marcellobarrios]

18. Shuster is not a liberal icon, and he has always hated Hillar

He mocked a The View guest who criticized Matthews for saying that Clinton owes her success to her husband having slept around.

[Wombatzu]

19. i thought it was funny when Shuster said that Hillary was old and uncharismatic

no, wait, that was Bill Clinton that said that... he was almost apologetic too.

[Egnever]

20. weee

feel better?

[Wombatzu]

21. Breaking: MSNBC nuked from orbit!

Clintonistas say the punishment wasn't severe enough.

[McCamy Taylor]

29. Clintonistas? Has the Free Republic already closed?

[JimGinPA]

23. "and yes, that was sexist language. There is no doubt about it. He called her a tart."

FALSE ARGUMENT!!!

pimp<2,verb>



Main Entry: 2pimp
Function: verb
Date: 1636
intransitive verb
: to work as a pimp
transitive verb
: to make use of often dishonorably for one's own gain or benefit

[McCamy Taylor]

30. Oh man, you guys are easy. Where did they get you from? 1st definition of "pimp" I googled

http://www.answers.com/topic/pimp

n.

One who finds customers for a prostitute; a procurer.
intr.v., pimped, pimp·ing, pimps.

To serve as a procurer of prostitutes.

[mmonk]

25. Actually, he is made out the villian.

I'm all for Rachel taking Tweety's show. Wonder if that could be done.

[Major Hogwash]

26. Rachel Maddow? That would be awesome!! Another reason it will never happen, tho.

Great rant. If the news can't get Hillary free tv time, then nobody can.

Hopefully, they don't watch too much tv in those states left to decide the fate of the entire world.

[johnnydrama]

33. but Rachel

said something bad about Hillary too a few days ago. So she needs to be fired too.

And oh yah, after about 750 straight shows of Keith Olbermann signing off by not so subtly calling George W Bush a two faced liar, he said one or two sketchy things about Hillary the other day, so he's a closet Republican O'reilly type!

[Major Hogwash]

43. Johnny Drama , How I love him, He's got something I can't resist, But he doesn't even know that I

~ poor Shelley Fabares reference

[McCamy Taylor]

58. Criticism is fine. Sexist slurs are never appropriate because they stigmatiize ALL women

and that is no fairy tale.

[JohnBreauxDemocrat]

27. Excuse me, but Senator Clinton is a member of this party

Her defense takes priority over Shuster, a reprobate.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

31. Why don't you just nuke them from orbit - It's the only way to be sure

Sounds like you're already somewhere up there in the stratosphere, thinking that Shuster said what he did as part of an MSNBC conspiracy to be able to blame the reaction by leftists to Shuster's suspension on Hillary.

[McCamy Taylor]

37. No, Schuster is a harmless idiot. MSNBC is a Big Fat Liar.

MSNBC has had a history of sexism. They have been attacked for it---fairly. They have not responded to it adequately. Now, they have made a martyr of a popular left wing reporter who happened to say something he should not have said (and no, no one thinks he was part of any conspiracy, he just said it because he wasn't thinking). The intention of the corporate bosses at GE/NBC is to 1.punish Schuster who has made Republicans angry in the past and 2. make liberals angry at Hillary for standing up for women's issues.

This gets MSNBC off the hook by making women's rights seem unpopular, unhip, un2008, unDemocratic, not a priority, a divisive issue, something Hillary made up that does not really exist, a fairy tale--take your pick.

Tweety is not the only misogynist at NBC. Lawrence O'Donnell's argument "Edwards is a Loser" was actually a sexist argument dressed up as a affirmation of race. He accused Edwards of a being a White guy trying to derail a Black male candidate's chances going into South Carolina. But how could a White man steal a Black man's votes in a race against a White woman? Edwards got hardly any of the Black vote. The only way he could is if he was taking some of the anti-Hillary vote male vote . And that was what the real issue was. Not electing the first African-American president. No. The real issue was keeping Hillary from becoming the first woman president. O'Donnell didn't want Edwards splitting the male vote. He wanted the other male in the race to drop out, so that Obama could become the Great Male Hope .

I am beginning to wonder if the GE/Pentagon association has caused General Electric to become a bastion of sexism. I know that engineering firms used to be notorious for it. And if GE is sexist, does NBC also have a good old boy system?

[robbedvoter]

32. It's a win-win for them. Can the bothersome one and seem righteous for it

[Diane R]

38. Shuster's comment was inappropriate...but not nearly as bad as what Bill did to 22 yr old. Monica.

[Bolo Boffin]

40. Have you heard of the term "consenting adults"? n/t

[McCamy Taylor]

41. This sounds a lot like "Clinton's penis made Schuster do it". But only Freepers use that excuse....

[Bolo Boffin]

39. Schuster had more problems than that comment.

He'd gotten into it with Joe Scarborough recently.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/msnbc/dont_cut_off_joe_when_hes_on_the_phone_77007.asp

[McCamy Taylor]

42. Do you think he was let go by an angry Joe for something besides Chelsea?

[K Gardner]

52. Bingo ! This has been going on for some time and this episode seemed to be

the "icing on the cake". Shuster has been in a tug of war with the Republican mouthpiece Scarbrough for weeks now, starting most notably during the coverage in South Carolina, about his demogogery. Shuster TRIES, usually with no luck and with rude interruptions by Scarbrough, to insert some balance into the one-sided discourse. He (david) has been visibly upset and verbally denigrated by Scarbrough more than once. So we have a huge 3 hour block of time every morning dominated by a RW hack on a major news channel.. Mika cant get a word in and Scarbrough treats her like dirt if you'll notice.. and our only Progressive voice is repeatedly silenced. Then we have Tweety and Buchanan with their own versions of hate to spew throughout the day.

I absolutely HATE that David made this stupid mistake, but I do NOT feel he meant it the way its been perceived. Tweety, Buchanan and Scarbrough, however, DO mean every nasty word they say and are encouraged to spout.

Shuster is NOT the problem here. Let's not scapegoat him for the horribly bad behavior of the rest of the MSM's bozoboys.

[McCamy Taylor]

62. Pat Buchanan also needs to go. MSNBC can not justify having Nixon's "dirty tricks" man and known RW

bigot Pat Buchanan on TV spreading his lies and influencing the other journalists at MSNBC with his lies during this presidential campaign.

He was brought in board MSNBC because he was a conservative who was anti-Iraq War. Fine. He can continue to preach against the Iraq War. But the man who created the strategy of telling dirty lies about one Democrat during the primary and attributing those lies to the other Democratic candidate and the strategy of having "bad" people endorse Democrats in order to embarrass the Democrats and the strategy of staging "Democratic riots" and "Democratic supporters acting badly" and "Democratic infighting" and "Democratic staff incompetence" (all orchestrated by Republicans and CREEP)---he has no place doing commentary on this year's Democratic primary. He is too slippery, too much a proven liar (he lied to Congress after Watergate, claiming that there were no dirty tricks, even though there were documents which outlined them which were found later. He could have been prosecuted for lying to Congress.) And reportedly, other journalists really like him and like to listen to him and find him very amusing. Who knows what kind of crazy notions he has put into the heads of the people at MSMNB. The word "ghettoize" that I have heard Matthews use about Hillary in relation to Obama--that comes straight out of an article that Buchanan wrote. For all we know, Buchanan gave Tweety the idea about Edwards stealing the race from Obama that he in turn gave to O'Donnell. I would not be surprised if one of them didn't use the phrase "pimp" about Chelsea in Schuster's hearing and it got such a big laugh that he decided to use it on air.

If we really want to clean up MSNBC, we should demand that Nixon's former CREEPy dirty tricks master and perjurer Pat Buchanan not be allowed to do any on air commentary about the election. I guess it is up to NBC if they want to let him coach the guys back stage.

[Meldread]

44. I hope she does look like a villain.

She does look like a villain, and I hope it sticks. I hope it backfires. They purposefully took the comment out of context. He was not calling her a whore, and anyone who watched the segment in its entirety knows that.

[McCamy Taylor]

63. Here is an interesting article on "horizontal hostility"--easier to fight one another than the elite

http://www.pasadenaweekly.com/article.php?id=5613&IssueNum=109

Simply put, horizontal hostility happens because the frustration of breaking barriers makes it easier to fight each other horizontally than it is to fight The Man vertically. You know that famous glass ceiling? It’s called that because ceilings are up, and glass because you can see what’s happening. Women, gays and people of color can see clearly what’s above them, staring at the shoe bottoms of straight white men. If you’re in the “out” groups, you’re pissed off, not getting very far, and it’s really convenient to start socking each other on your own level. At least you feel like you’re doing SOMETHING.

While it’s a mistake to compare suffering, it’s almost unavoidable when discussing race and gender. Being the wrong race at the wrong time can get you killed, harassed or underemployed. So can gender. The rape and murder statistics for women attacked by their “intimates” are staggering. Most thinking people can understand the pain that comes along with being judged for attributes that come with birth, such as sexual organs or skin color.

What many of the same people do not factor in, however, is the horizontal hostility dynamic. Next time you hear a woman dissing Clinton for not being “feminine” enough, or another African American criticizing Obama for not being “African American” enough, think, “Aha, horizontal hostility at play!” By the same token (the word “token” used here advisedly), when you hear someone say, “It’s the turn of a black man to be in the Oval Office; women can wait,” it’s likely that we’re dealing with horizontal hostility because gender and race are the biggest factors that have kept the power structure in white straight male hands. How handy it is for the white patriarchy — which includes some women — when feminists and black men fight each other.

Who benefits from horizontal hostility? The establishment does.

Also read Angela Davis's book Women, Race and Class I have a journal entry about it. Very informative history of the parallel Black civil rights and Women's rights and Labor movements in this country and how all three would merge and split again. I wish Davis was running for president again. Black, Lesbian, Communist, framed by the government---she can claim more "victimhood" than Obama and Hillary combined!

[cooolandrew]

45. ....

[hill08]

47. when did Shuster become a liberal icon?

Who gave him this title?

[McCamy Taylor]

65. When he asked that GOP Congresswoman to name a dead vet from her district and she couldn't.

Or maybe it was how many had died from her district. It was something to do with actually paying attention to the needs of veterans' families in her district, I remember that. It made her look like a really heartless B-word.

It happened before the 2006 election. Made her and the other GOPers look like a bunch of hypocrites who were campaigning for office on the corpses of American soldiers.

Democrats and anti-war types just loved him. Republicans have had a grudge against him ever since then. And elephants never forget.

[Political Heretic]

48. I'm with you. Matthews is a dumbass.

[GalleryGod]

49. You folk can think what you want about MR.Matthews. I disagree 110%

Of course, I've actually had to deal with him in person. He came for TWO days last Spring and lectured to ALL SIX of my classes. One at a time. Didn't accept a single cent. Just lunch in the caf (where students and cell phone cameras interrupted constantly) He's an accomplished author with MUCH BETTER Democratic credentials than ANY of us. Oh, and BTW his ratings ARE THRU THE ROOF.

My protege, Jake, after last lecture.


"Hey,DUers...KMA!"

[Iceburg]

51. Mathews should have been fired long ago. I am profoundly disappointed in Schuster

but I accept his apologies. Doesn't mean I forget. They are all on notice including KO.
Either they shake up the programming and get some real progressive women (like Rachel Maddow) in permanent slots (not part-timers) or I am cancelling my subscription.

[Phred42]

54. AGREE! Wouldn't you love to see Maddow take the NO-BALLs timeslot!

[Captain Hilts]

56. She's already called Matthews "the best" political commentator on TV. Ugh! nt

[Phred42]

67. Geezus Gawd - I hadn't heard that

[flpoljunkie]

59. Would you like some cheese with that "whine!"

[yardwork]

60. Very good points.

[Thrill]

61. Wonder why Hillary has no problem with Bill Bennett on CNN

I guess its because he is her number one cheerleader?

[cottonseed]

64. Brilliant! Spun both ways by the Clinton campaign!

You've got to be kidding me. My head is spinning on this one.

[McCamy Taylor]

66. I am still an Edwards' supporter. I will continue to point out MSM attacks on Obama and Hillary as

find them, because I am a loyal Democrat and I do not like to see the MSM playing Nixon style CREEPy games with Our Primary

:dem: