WSJ: "Clinton is Losing this Thing"

[calteacherguy]

By PEGGY NOONAN, WSJ
February 8, 2008

I ruminate in this way because something is happening. Mrs. Clinton is losing this thing. It's not one big primary, it's a rolling loss, a daily one, an inch-by-inch deflation. The trends and indices are not in her favor. She is having trouble raising big money, she's funding her campaign with her own wealth, her moral standing within her own party and among her own followers has been dragged down, and the legacy of Clintonism tarnished by what Bill Clinton did in South Carolina. Unfavorable primaries lie ahead. She doesn't have the excitement, the great whoosh of feeling that accompanies a winning campaign. The guy from Chicago who was unknown a year ago continues to gain purchase, to move forward. For a soft little innocent, he's played a tough and knowing inside/outside game.

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On the wires Wednesday her staff was all but conceding she is not going to win the next primaries. Her superdelegates are coming under pressure that is about to become unrelenting. It was easy for party hacks to cleave to Mrs Clinton when she was inevitable. Now Mr. Obama's people are reportedly calling them saying, Your state voted for me and so did your congressional district. Are you going to jeopardize your career and buck the wishes of the people back home?

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120241915915951669.html

[anamandujano]

1. Afraid to put PEGGY NOONAN in the title?

[Cha]

21. Afraid hilary is

losing it cause their campaign is built on empty rhetoric and lies?

[anamandujano]

30. You guys have it bad for rabid Repukes, don't you.

[Cha]

50. You have it bad for lying warmongers and

there's no question about that.

[anamandujano]

52. parrot

[Cha]

56. Newsflash...a hilary called me

a "parrot" ..cause it can't defend hilary's warmongering record.

[maddiejoan]

2. I don't understand

if Hillary is losing --why is she tied for delegates and slightly ahead in the popular vote?

[calteacherguy]

6. No, you don't understand.

But that's O.K.

[Jim Sagle]

Condescend much?

How many votes did THAT bring him?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[tabatha]

10. an inch-by-inch deflation. n/t

[sidwill]

11. I reject Peggy Noonan and all her satanistic ways.

I reject Peggy Noonan and all her satanistic ways.

I reject Peggy Noonan and all her satanistic ways.

I reject Peggy Noonan and all her satanistic ways.

There, I'm clean now.

Bro, try not to link Right wing neo con monkey fucks to DU please.

[anamandujano]

33. Applause from a Hillary supporter.

[DJ13]

12. Hillary is losing to Obamas momentum

And it may be heresy here in the land of non-free thinkers, but Noonan actually makes a few valid points if you read the entire article.

[NJSecularist]

16. Because she is on a slippery slope down hill

The next 8 or 9 caucuses/primaries all favor Obama.

[maddiejoan]

19. yeah

I'm not worried.

[NJSecularist]

25. Well, that's your opinion

But clearly Hillary's campaign is worried. Hillary pretty much conceded Washington yesterday, she won't win Louisana, and she'll likely lose Nebraska.


Faith in your candidate is one thing, blind faith is another.

[maddiejoan]

28. Blind Faith?

Nope.

Solid reasoning based on past cycles in this primary campaign

[NJSecularist]

34. If you say so

Which states until Ohio or Texas will Hillary win?

[maddiejoan]

38. Maine and Nebraska

[NJSecularist]

44. Fair enough

And if she doesn't win those states?

Will you agree that Obama has the big advantage?

Those aren't exactly sure-fire wins for her either.

[maddiejoan]

45. I think Obama

tends to lose bigger right after he wins big.

That's been the pattern so far.

:shrug:

[NJSecularist]

47. What pattern?

He lost New Hampshire by 2 points.

There is no pattern of him losing bigger after he wins big.

It's just wishful thinking.

[maddiejoan]

51. His ceiling

has yet to break her floor.

[NJSecularist]

55. Yet Obama has a path to the nomination this month

And Hillary doesn't. She doesn't have a chance at all of clinching the nomination any time soon. She'll have to wait until Pennsylvania in April.

P.S. National polls mean nothing right now. In case you forgot, we don't have any national primaries any more. :hi: :hi: :hi:

[maddiejoan]

57. More like March

and she'll come in close enough margins all through February to stay ahead in delegates.

Like I said --not worried. Even if he picks up a slight lead on Hillary this month --

She'll pick off delegates thru February and take Ohio and Texas by a wide margin.

[NJSecularist]

59. She'll win Ohio and Texas by a wide margin?

Don't be so confident. :hi: :hi: :hi:

[Whisp]

54. neither is Hillary.

she's got a few sleazy cards up her sleeve that doesn't involve voter participation to grab that prize.

[Lucinda]

29. CNN has her ahead by 9 before the supers are even added

:hi:

[maddiejoan]

31. oh will this death spiral of her's

never end?

[Lucinda]

64. She's doooomed.

:rofl:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

3. Thanks for your concern weird lady

[amborin]

4. calteach guy using right wing pubs to trash Hillary

[neutron]

5. STOP SPAMMING

you cruds.

[cooolandrew]

7. Not sure about this superdelegate malarky wisest they vote with their states wishes...

...Let alone Barack will clearly gain more seats and govenors.

[maddiejoan]

35. So

Kennedy and Kerry will be voting for Hill?

[jasmine621]

8. "Tarnished by what Bill Clinton did in SC?" The only people to play

this shit up was the media. Bill did nothing wrong. Even Jesse Jackson said so. But once the media put out the lie that Bill had played the race card, blacks all over the nation fell for it. Amost wanted to believe it with joy. I can imagine how the Clintons feel .

[NYCGirl]

15. Poor, poor Clintons. How misunderstood. NT

[amborin]

20. why obama cultists frighten me

they seem to fall for anything that's said

clueless about the underlying facts

[ShortnFiery]

43. I remember Bill Clinton's SMARMY impersonation of "Lee Atwater" before SC ... so do most Americans?

It's called the covert low spark of "The Southern Strategy" =====> RACISM!

[QC]

9. This was already posted at least once today. n/t

[Deja Q]

13. Scary. Doesn't Rupert Murdoch own the WSJ?

[Skwmom]

23. Then he's helping the Clintons play the expectation game.

On CNN they said she is expected to win Maine and NB.

[amborin]

24. yes, murdoch/noonan bashing hillary

murdoch bashed her the other day also, by endorsing obama

as some publication said, it was time to break hillary's knees

[Skwmom]

53. His endorsement was NOT an endorsement and it's a game

to garner sympathy for Clinton. Her good buddy Murdoch has been helping her get the sympathy vote since NH.

[Mike Nelson]

14. PEGGY NOONAN

PEGGY NOONAN

[Skwmom]

17. A set up for another comeback? On CNN, they said that Clinton is expected

to win Maine and NB.

[Lucinda]

42. I hadn't heard that!

Glad to hear it. We are MSM-less at the moment. :)

[NWHarkness]

18. Peggy Noonan????

Is there any right wing creep the Obama fans around here won't promote?

You don't do your candidate any favors with this shit.

[Paladin]

22. As If Peggy Noonan Is A Reliable Source On Anything

Any of you resident DU Hillary Haters who take any comfort from a pathetic, talent-free skank like Noonan will just be showing the true extent of your desperation.....

[UALRBSofL]

40. Considering Clinton won Mass

You know she deserves Kennedy and Kerry's superdelegate endorsement. Obviously SD's should support the candidate who wins there state. :)

[Bolo Boffin]

26. Nooner is chewing her cud? n/t

[Colobo]

27. Peggy Noonan is right on this one: Barack Obama will win the Dem nomination.

[sidwill]

32. Please REJECT PEGGY NOONAN and her evil ways.

Just turn away from her.

Do not look directly into her eyes or she will consume your soul.

[ShortnFiery]

36. Plus, if "the people" choose OBAMA and HRC wins via "super delegates" it will tear our party apart.

:(

[DemGa]

37. Well we saw David Brooks earlier

now Peggy Noonan?

What's the point of this one?

And it's getting voted up; Do these people have no political sense?

[angie_love]

39. More ppl need to realize Hillary is less electable than Obama

I read teh whole article, and it makes some good points. Hillary is a much easier target for the republicans, and they are more afraid of Obama.

[The_Casual_Observer]

41. It's you & the freepers. Good for you.

[AX10]

46. Spam Alert!

[AlCzervik]

48. i support Obama but i have 0 interest in Reagen Revisionist hack Peggy Noonan.

[nonconformist]

49. Peggy Noonan?!

:rofl:

[MonkeyFunk]

58. When did Peggy Noonan become an acceptable source here?

OH yeah.... when people decided they could drag any dogshit they encounter on the 'net back here in order to trash a candidate.

Disgusting.

[Bongo Prophet]

65. I agree Monkeyfunk, using right wing souces is pretty low.

Just like the "Obama voters don't know the issues" threads using Sean Hannity and Frank Luntz - asking one of Luntz' trademark pollgroups if they could name any of Obama's accomplishments. There was no indication of whether they were real Obama supporters, or just "random" voters. Of course, Luntz did not ask if they knew any accomplishments of anyone else either, but that would be too logical. Smearing is what they (Hannity and Luntz) do.

And yet it was used to "prove" that Obama has no substance - straight from FOX>youtube>DU.
You would call it dogshit, but I tried to be polite anyway, because it was a fellow dem.

I think.

I am glad you are able to decry "dogshit" on both sides. It shows character.


edit to fix a sentence frag.

[Evergreen Emerald]

60. she is right. Clinton is losing. The constant media attacks

on her and the constant leg-up Obama gets is taking the toll. The lemmings are letting the media choose our candidate--just like the last two elections.

[okasha]

61. Peggy Noonan,

who's still jonesing to rub Ronald Reagan's feet?

Fact: Hillary has more votes and more delegates. Obama may take some states in the next few days, but Hillary will more than make up the difference in Ohio and Texas. Best Obama can hope for is a draw, a negotiated settlement and the VP slot.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

62. againa posting a Murdock rag...WSJ...you swallow for the RW

[milkyway]

63. Peggy Noonan is Maureen Dowd on Quaaludes.

Forgive me for reading this garbage, but what planet is she on? Does she actually believe this crap she's trying to peddle?

No one, no candidate, no party, no heavy-breathing consultant, will want to cross any line--lines that have never been drawn, that are sure to be shifting and not always visible--in approaching the first major-party African-American nominee for president of the United States.

He is the brilliant young black man as American dream. No consultant, no matter how opportunistic and hungry, will think it easy--or professionally desirable--to take him down in a low manner. If anything, they've learned from the Clintons in South Carolina what that gets you. (I add that yes, there are always freelance mental cases, who exist on both sides and are empowered by modern technology. They'll make their YouTubes. But the mad are ever with us, and this year their work will likely stay subterranean.)

LOL! She says the repugs will be very careful not to cross any line if Obama is the nominee. Yeah, right. Then she says it will only be from the freelance mental cases with their YouTubes. Tell her the Swiftboats scum used a television commercial and a book, and they weren't freelance.

And because the Clintons faced a backlash in South Carolina the repugs won't try anything? The voters in the primary were Dems, with more than half of them black. The repugs are worried about the 67% of the South Carolina electorate who aren't Dems.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/SC/P/00/index.html

And I'm only focusing on her comments regarding Obama. The main thrust of the article is about Hillary, and it's just as idiotic.

[jackson_dem]

66. Has Noonan endorsed Obama?

Maybe they can chat about how great Reagan was when he was "correcting" the "excesses" of 60's and 70's liberal Democrats.