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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:32 AM
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WSJ: The Wages of HillaryCare
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 12:37 AM by Araxen
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120234937353949449.html?mod=opinion_main_review_and_outlooks

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama agree on most policy issues, but that makes their rare differences all the more revealing. To wit, their running scrap over Mrs. Clinton's "individual mandate" for health care, which Mr. Obama has now had the nerve to expose for its inevitable government coercion.

Mrs. Clinton's proposal requires everyone to buy health insurance, along with more insurance regulation, a government insurance option for everyone and tax hikes. Mr. Obama likes all that but his mandate would only apply to children. He argues that the reason many people aren't insured is because it's too expensive, not because they don't want it. Mrs. Clinton counters that coverage can't be "universal" without a mandate.


But then Mr. Obama had the impudence to defend his views. His campaign distributed a mailer in key primary states that claimed the Clinton plan "forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can't afford it." It also featured an image of an anxious couple at a kitchen table. The Clinton apparat went apoplectic, claiming the flyer evokes the famous "Harry and Louise" commercials. A common article of liberal faith is that this "smear campaign" doomed HillaryCare in 1994 -- as opposed to, say, its huge cost and complexities. But never mind.

Yet if Mrs. Clinton's plan is better because it has a mandate, how does it work in the real world, where some people still won't be able to afford insurance, or would decline to acquire it? At a recent debate, the Illinois Senator drove the point home, asking Mrs. Clinton, "You can mandate it but there will still be people who can't afford it. And if they can't afford it, what are you going to fine them? Are you going to garnish their wages?" And in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos on Sunday, Mrs. Clinton conceded that "we will have an enforcement mechanism" that might include "you know, going after people's wages."


Well, well. In other words, HillaryCare II isn't all about "choice," but would require financial penalties for people to pay attention, including garnishing wages. To put it more accurately, the individual mandate is really a government mandate that requires brute force plus huge subsidies to get anywhere near its goal of universal coverage.

Mitt Romney's mandate program in Massachusetts is already expected to reach $1.35 billion in annual costs by 2011, up from $158 million today. And that's with only half of the previously uninsured currently enrolled; no less than 20% didn't qualify for subsidies and were granted exemptions because the costs were too much of a hardship.

Most experts calculate that a national mandate with subsidies like Mrs. Clinton's would enroll about half to two-thirds of the uninsured, less for a voluntary plan and subsidies alone. But such guesswork is pointless without the basic enforcement assumptions, which Mrs. Clinton refuses to provide. She's more interested in wielding what she calls "a core Democratic principle" against Mr. Obama. "My opponent will not commit to universal health care," she said Saturday.

The logic of Mr. Obama's approach is that policy makers should target those who are priced out of coverage. The Census Bureau says 38% of the uninsured earned more than $50,000 in 2006, 19% above $75,000. They aren't a major public policy problem -- except that a big reason they lack coverage is because it is more expensive than it needs to be thanks to government market interference. And 29% earn under $25,000, which means they probably qualify for existing subsidy programs like Medicaid or Schip but haven't enrolled.

The news here is that all of this is being exposed now, and by a fellow Democrat. Many Americans are uncomfortable with the coercion of the mandate -- and not all of them are Republicans. The California health-care overhaul was recently done in by liberals concerned about its consequences for the working poor.

The political lesson that Mrs. Clinton learned in 1994 wasn't about compromise or market forces. It was that a government health-care takeover can only be achieved gradually and by stealth. Her individual mandate is an attempt to force everyone to buy into a highly regulated and price-controlled system where government redistributes income and dictates coverage. We assume the McCain campaign is paying attention.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:47 AM
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1. The mandate makes no provision for circumstances.
So, everybody will have insurance. If you cannot afford insurance, falling below a certain income threshold, you will get tax credits to allow you to get the insurance (nevermind that the payment is due NOW, not in the spring when you get your tax credit). So, there is a threshold, and your income is above that threshold, making you responsible for your own insurance. But, you live in Marin County, or Westchester, and that threshold is really 10% below the local cost of living. Or, you have the income, but you are paying 35% of that income to your ex for child support. How do you afford it then?

Government run single-payer coverage for all, regardless of income. It's the only way.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:08 AM
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4. Totaly agree it is the only way
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 12:56 AM
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2. The article makes Clinton look bad but it is disingenuous...
I don't agree with Clinton's mandate but at least she and Obama are trying something.

The WSJ it seems from what I read would continue to give fealty to the current broken system that got that way mostly because of skyrocketing costs of drugs and many other factors.

If we are to ever control costs in any way we will have to reduce drug costs, reduce money being transferred to those that don't actually render care (i.e. insurance companies), improve prevention, and decrease waste. The best way to do this is single payer and I wish our candidates were brave enough to offer that. None, save Kucinich, did.

The only serious plan out there is HR676 by John Conyers. Incidentally, he endorses Obama.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:03 AM
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3. Congress has no say?
Anyone's plan as a candidate is a stance. Both candidates know that they have to get their version of the bill through Congress.

Either candidates plan will not look the same after Congress is done with it.

It's called compromise and its done all of the time in DC

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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:11 AM
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5. Totally agree
Which makes the idea of Clinton hitting Obama over the head with her health care plan all the more ludicrous.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:32 AM
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9. Or Vice-Versa
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 01:34 AM by BeatleBoot
Right?

Like when Obama uses the Rush Limbaugh phrase, "Garnished Wages" in describing Hillary's plan?






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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:53 AM
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10. or vice versa
of course. Its tit for tat BS from both sides. You gotta admit shes been shoving that mines the only universal BS down peoples throats for a long time now though. He's finally giving it back to her. Something he shouldn't be doing though considering its what he wants to change.

I gotta admit I was happy to see it though after the months of mines the only universal care.

It's fluff from both sides though.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:16 AM
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6. If you go into knowing you are going to compromise, you don't
start with a plan that is already heavily compromised.

Go in with the most radical plan you can create, with a half dozen provisions that you expect to throw away. That way the end result is close to what you really want.

Ghad. The destruction of the unions has had one huge result - nobody knows how to negotiate anymore.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:17 AM
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7. WSJ: fighting universal health coverage since 1993
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:20 AM
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8. Actually, since 1968. At least.
No disrespect intended.

(I lied. All disrespect intended for the WSJ.)

--p!
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