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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:15 AM
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Yes we Can! I posting it again! Tired of negativity, tired of division, tired of fear...
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JohnBreauxDemocrat Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:16 AM
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1. GoMama!
All Fired up for the lady

Yes We Can, Yes She can!

Go mama!

Fired up for the lady

Yes she can
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:19 AM
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5. There you go!
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JohnBreauxDemocrat Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:23 AM
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8. ALL FIRED UP FOR THE LADY
Go Mama

Yes she can, yes we can

Fired up, ready to go for the lady

Am I doing this right
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:23 AM
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9. Yep
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mihalevich Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:17 AM
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2. Yes We Can!!!
Heal this nation.
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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:18 AM
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3. Because if Obama becomes president
the repukes will all of a sudden feel like being positive and unifying with the Democrats.

Are you a gambler? I have a bet for you.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:22 AM
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6. We can't win with just our base, we need to bring new voters in, independents, AND mobilize our base
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 01:23 AM by usregimechange
I will raise you twice whatever you have bet. Also, I didn't crap on your candidate, why do you feel it is necessary?
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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:32 AM
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23. Okay
when Obama becomes president and the repukes start working happily with the Democrats to pass progressive legislation get back to me.

I have seen no evidence that Clinton cannot get new voters registered and cannot win independent voters in the general.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:40 AM
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29. You build a coalition with those who are inspired to get on board
I think Hillary can bring new voters, especially women on board, but I think Obama can bring more on board. Also, I like that he is authentic and has a very solid progressive record. More progressive than Hillary, in my analysis.
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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:42 AM
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31. I am sorry if statements that begin with
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 01:43 AM by Blue_State_Elitist
I think don't impress me.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:45 AM
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36. How about this, and you don't have to be disrespectful:
League of Conservation Voters Scorecard: Obama 100%, Hillary 71%
View Hillary's scores/votes:
http://capwiz.com/lcv/bio/keyvotes/?id=10902&congress=1...

View Obama's scores/votes:
http://capwiz.com/lcv/bio/keyvotes/?id=3181&congress=11...


Children's Defense Fund Scorecard: Obama 100%, Hillary 90%
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Special thanks to DUer ProSense.


ACLU Congressional Scorecard: Obama 80%, Hillary 67%
Lifetime scores:

Obama: 82% (better than Edward Kennedy's and John Kerry's)
Hillary: 75%
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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:32 AM
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65. I was referring to:
"I think Obama can bring more on board"

They both have solidly liberal voting records.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:21 AM
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63. you mean you like statments like
I know they have WMD. its a slam dunk
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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:30 AM
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64. No. I'm not too big on George Tenet.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:42 AM
Original message
Coalitions require compromise. Which Democratic values do you suggest we compromise
in order to be more palatable to these other persons?
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:44 AM
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34. No, you biuld coalitions with like minded people who used to be apathetic to the process
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:47 AM
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37. But you already spoke of coalitions with independents. Independents aren't
apathetic. And they have disagreements with Democrats - and Republicans - or they'd be aligned with them or some minor party already.

So if you're creating a coalition there has to be some compromise on both sides.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:52 AM
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44. I think you are confusing independents with moderates, you can persuade them that progressive
principles are the best option. That is if you mean what you say, have good plans, and educate the public.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:53 AM
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46. "Independents" covers a lot of ground. But if they were that easily convinced
by progressive principles, they'd be progressives already. But they're not.

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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:56 AM
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48. Did I say it would be easy or that it was already complete?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:57 AM
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52. No. But neither did you say what the compromise will be that will make such a coalition
palatable.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:02 AM
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57. Your right! You are the one using the word "compromise."
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 02:03 AM by usregimechange
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 08:33 AM
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69. That's because I'm the one recognizing that compromises need to be made in
coalitions. You have not yet recognized that fact.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:18 AM
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4. I'm tired of bullshit and watching Americans get suckered. /nt
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mihalevich Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:25 AM
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10. Who are you voting for?
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:26 AM
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12. I agree! But I don't think that justice and equality and inspiring the people = bullshit
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 01:27 AM by usregimechange
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:22 AM
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7. Would you post a YouTube for me please
I don't know how to do the embedding with the brackets. Scroll about half way down for "Fired Up Ready To Go". Thank you!!

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hqblog
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:25 AM
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11. Not sure how to do that, sorry
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:28 AM
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13. You just did it in your OP
I'm confused.

:shrug:
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:30 AM
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14. No that is just a picture/screen cap posted with a link
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:30 AM
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16. Try posting this:
<object width="425" height="373"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/2fZHou18Cdk&rel=1&border=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/2fZHou18Cdk&rel=1&border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="373"></embed></object>
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:31 AM
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18. Oh, well, dang
You should go look at that video if you haven't anyway. It's great! :hi:
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:34 AM
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25. It works when you post it in the video forum but they set it up to do that
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:34 AM
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27. Just as a straight link?
Like you do when you post a picture?
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:42 AM
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32. Yeah but you enter it into some special thing. Sorry, I really don't know much about it
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:48 AM
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39. That's okay
I don't watch videos and all that very often anyway. I know how to embed them in an html page, I just don't know how to transfer them to the forum code. I just thought if it was as simple as posting a picture, I'd feel like a real idiot. :silly:

:hi:
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:57 AM
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51. Yeah, the code is different in forum type places
:hi:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:30 AM
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15. Can you tell me: How will we know this UNITY is acheived? Is there any measurable
aspect? Is it a percentage of the GE vote? An approval rating?

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JohnBreauxDemocrat Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:30 AM
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17. Think outside the bun.
You must.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:32 AM
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22. Failure to answer the question.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:32 AM
Response to Reply #15
19. When you have something constructive to post
about what you accomplished today or intend to accomplish tomorrow.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:34 AM
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26. Oh someone took their cranky pill today.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:50 AM
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42. No, I was being serious
Hope leads to action leads to change. It's pretty simple really. It's the asking people to contribute something to their country besides shopping. We talk about it around here all the time. There isn't one thing that he is proposing to do, or doing, that DU hasn't been begging for someone to do.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:52 AM
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43. I don't see how voting for Obama is going to reduce or eliminate fear, negativity
or division. To be fair, I don't see how any candidate is going to do that.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:58 AM
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53. Setting a national tone, like FDR did
Not pitting groups against each other. Speaking up for maligned groups, like homosexuals, which he does regularly. Saying we can't scapegoat undocumented workers. Setting a summit with all the Muslim leaders around the world. Telling the truth about the terrorist problem. Quit playing footsie with people like Musharaff. Meeting directly with people like Chavez and Castro and not demonizing everybody for oil. Setting the country on a new trajectory, more like the one Carter wanted us on all along.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:01 AM
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55. That's the best argument I've seen yet. I don't buy it, but it's a cogent position.
Thank you for that.

I think FDR was able to set a national tone because the nation embraced it. I also think he just lived in a different time. No matter what the president does - or who he or she is - the agents of fear and division and negativity are deeply entrenched and aren't going anywhere.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:06 AM
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59. Which is why you don't play their games but also don't roll over and do nothing
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 08:32 AM
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68. hm, I don't recall anyone advocating rolling over and doing nothing. nt
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:10 AM
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60. They were at FDR all the time too
They called him a communist every time he ran for election. I mean, criminy, Jesus wasn't even able to make everybody believe, (if you believe in that sort of thing). But the choice is somebody who wants to try verse somebody who has proven they are happy in the muck just by the campaign choices. I just want to try to have something more hopeful and positive, just once in my life. And if he really can capture the kind of thing Reagan did, but it in a liberal way, well then we can leave our kids 30 years of liberalism and wouldn't that be a great thing!
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:13 AM
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61. Well said
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:32 AM
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20. If you watch the video, he isn't just talking about unity, basically hope and standing for...
progressive principles.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:33 AM
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24. Okay, but if you're tired of fear, negativity and division.... do you think those things
are going away if Obama wins the presidency?
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:35 AM
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28. There is no cure but why not do your part and lead by example?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:41 AM
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30. Sorry, but I'm not getting the point. If you are tired of those things, what does
voting for Obama - or anyone else - have to do with it?

Is there a Presidential candidate who can make fear, negativity and division go away?
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ProgressIn2008 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:44 AM
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33. I think you're on to something... perhaps the idea is *he will take these things away*.
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 01:44 AM by ProgressIn2008
And if so... well, eek.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:45 AM
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35. It is? He'll take those things away????
Do the right wingers know that?
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:47 AM
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38. I already said there is no cure, but you do what you can.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:50 AM
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41. I understand. But if there is no cure, what does voting for a candidate do to address
your tiredness of these things?

It's like saying "I'm tired of having to go to work and clean the house, so I'm gong to vote for Gravel". There's no relationship between the two things.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:54 AM
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47. Because a President has a big ass mike in front of him and can influence policy that can do those
things.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:56 AM
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50. Really? You think a President Obama would make negativity and division and fear
shrink?

Do you think the Limbaughs and Hannitys and the Pat Robertsons are just going to fold up like little flower petals and go away?

Or that the Republicans in the congress and the courts are going to reform?
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:00 AM
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54. No, an imperfect world will still exist but their hate and immaturity can not feign the truth
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:02 AM
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56. They "can not feign the truth"? Why can't they? They've been doing it for a long time
and no president can stop them.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:04 AM
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58. They have been creating that illusion because the opposition was both silent and
Edited on Sat Feb-09-08 02:04 AM by usregimechange
un-inspiring!
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 08:34 AM
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72. That, I'm afraid, is hogwash. nt
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mihalevich Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:32 AM
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21. I'm thinking 60-70%
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:48 AM
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40. lol... that will never happen. nt
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mihalevich Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:53 AM
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45. Ok 59-70%?
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 01:56 AM
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49. Nobody has ever had 70% of the vote in the GE....
Besides George Washington.

So naive.
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mihalevich Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 02:16 AM
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62. 58.5-70%?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 03:34 AM
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66. "I posting it!"
:silly:
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 04:20 AM
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67. Ha! I just noticed. Too late to edit.
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 08:33 AM
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70. Yes We Can Here - Go Hillary
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 08:34 AM
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73. yes, we WILL
we WILL
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-09-08 08:34 AM
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71. the preachifying is obnoxious
this doesn't help
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